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I still wonder how many of the notch "haters" actually use a notched iPhone. I hardly ever notice or care about the thing in day to day use.
Well, I still have an iPhone 11 Pro Max, but only as a secondary phone now, I don't carry it with me. And yes, I absolutely hate the notch, so much so it was one reason I switched to an android phone. The other reason is I wanted a more advanced phone. (flip3, folding screen, better wifi, better screen...) I wont be buying a new iPhone until they get rid of the notch, and hopefully fold like the flip3.
 
1. iPad doesn’t support Watch unlock.
2. Not everyone wants to buy an electronic toy that gets obsolete every 3 to 5 years.
3. It doesn’t even work 90% of the time. More like 60%.
Without buying said electronic toy, how do u know how effective it is? Would I like under screen touch id? Sure, but in its absence aside from adding it to the the home button, the watch is the next best thing.
 
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Without buying said electronic toy, how do u know how effective it is? Would I like under screen touch id? Sure, but in its absence aside from adding it to the the home button, the watch is the next best thing.
Did my post magically imply I did not buy such toy?
 
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Oh yeah that’s unfortunate cause I used Apple Watch for 3 years already and I’m still using one.

But I get it. I get it, you choose to not believe, which is fine.
 
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Oh yeah that’s unfortunate cause I used Apple Watch for 3 years already and I’m still using one.

But I get it. I get it, you choose to not believe, which is fine.
You say so, but you are clueless to the substantial benefits of the Apple Watch. I guess if you just took it out of the box and used it for 3 years doing nothing else, I’ll buy that, but I assume you are smarter and more tech savvy. If you never programmed your Apple Watch & iPhone together then sure. But then it’s not the Apple Watch, it’s just you.
 
Most videos are a narrower aspect ratio and do not stretch to the sides of thr iPhone screen so the only way the notch affects your videos is if you are cropping the top and bottom of the video. If you are voluntarily taking two chunks out of your videos you dont get to complain about the notch taking 1 chunk out of your video.
Would you be okay with using your tv with a chunk out of the actual ui? it just doesn’t work well with improving screen space where content should be. Not talking specific videos. Games with screen stretched to the outside edges is laughable for use case.
 
Would you be okay with using your tv with a chunk out of the actual ui? it just doesn’t work well with improving screen space where content should be. Not talking specific videos. Games with screen stretched to the outside edges is laughable for use case.

The analogy doesn’t work because the TV isn’t a small device you carry around. Nor does a TV have a lot of front-facing sensors that need to fit somewhere.
 
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The analogy doesn’t work because the TV isn’t a small device you carry around. Nor does a TV have a lot of front-facing sensors that need to fit somewhere.
It doesn’t matter the size or the sensors. They are both screens you use to look at something. Not having use of a chuck of any display makes for a bad experience and hurts the ui. Main purpose of a screen in a tv or phone is to give you a full display that doesn’t cut into content.
 
It doesn’t matter the size or the sensors.

Of course it does. If the iPhone were a little larger, it could fit the sensors elsewhere. But people want the bezel to be as small as possible, a concern that’s largely irrelevant on a TV. A TV can have an entire inch worth of bezel and you would barely notice from the couch.

They are both screens you use to look at something. Not having use of a chuck of any display makes for a bad experience and hurts the ui.

I’m typing this on an iPhone 11 and don’t notice, at all, most days.

 
The addition of TouchID made no difference to me anyways - I prefer FaceID to be honest. I find it much more convenient, especially now face masks are no longer required.

The notch doesn't bother me at all - I think a punch hole design will bother me more then a notch TBH.

Will skip the 14 regardless. Phones are at a point where every update is 'minor', so I feel I need to skip a generation or two to even feel like Ive upgraded......
 
Would you be okay with using your tv with a chunk out of the actual ui? it just doesn’t work well with improving screen space where content should be. Not talking specific videos. Games with screen stretched to the outside edges is laughable for use case.
You are confusing UI with content. On the phone, the UI is designed around the notch which means that no chunks of the UI have been removed.

Specific videos? You misspelled “almost every video”. Even the iPhone doesn't shoot videos that wide so if the notch affects your videos you are voluntarily chopping the top and bottom, at which point you have no grounds to complain about the notch being bad for videos. I suppose you could still complain about it, but you sound silly doing so.

Regarding games, my left thumb usually covers that part of the screen, and as far as content is concerned, there is very little which I consider negatively affected by the notch. Even Safari, for example, has a persistent header in portrait and very few sites stretch content to absolute edges in landscape, which means the notch irrelevant to it. It’s just such a non-issue for me.
 
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Did my post magically imply I did not buy such toy?
Not explicitly, but you felt comfortable enough to speak for the masses, although there are some that update yearly!

If the iPhone gets under screen touch id, I wouldn't expect the iPad to get it the same year if at all. I'd view it as two separate markets, especially considering the confusion of where you'd put the sensor together with the rumours of the camera placement as if the iPad is designed as portrait or landscape.
 
Not explicitly, but you felt comfortable enough to speak for the masses, although there are some that update yearly!
Which update has been provided to allow me to unlock iPad using Apple Watch similarly to the macOS?

And has apple made any meaningful improvements to let Apple Watch last more than 7 years?

I can eat my words of 60% success rate but Apple Watch is not a perfect products. I use iPad daily and I am not alone thinking similarly on those two points.
 
Which update has been provided to allow me to unlock iPad using Apple Watch similarly to the macOS?

And has apple made any meaningful improvements to let Apple Watch last more than 7 years?
Some people update yearly going by discussions on these forums, not the OS.
With reference to "2. Not everyone wants to buy an electronic toy that gets obsolete every 3 to 5 years."
 
Some people update yearly going by discussions on these forums, not the OS.
With reference to "2. Not everyone wants to buy an electronic toy that gets obsolete every 3 to 5 years."
Still, forum members form a very small amount of people, and not “everyone”.

Back to main post, if these are the rumours we get, I’d say Apple has done some amazing jobs confusing and disappointing the rumour community, which might not be a bad thing.
 
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Still, forum members form a very small amount of people, and not “everyone”.

Back to main post, if these are the rumours we get, I’d say Apple has done some amazing jobs confusing and disappointing the rumour community, which might not be a bad thing.
I agree, but there's defo a huge gaping hole with the whole line-up, where things are missing to link everything seamlessly together. Was thinking earlier today, whatever happened to the voicemail transcript function? Other than a beta in the US, it appears to have gone by the wayside like so many other things.
 
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Other than a beta in the US, it appears to have gone by the wayside like so many other things.
This is what happened when even company like Apple doesn’t truly have unlimited resources but want to do unlimited number of things, many of which requiring ongoing commitment.
 
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It doesn’t matter the size or the sensors. They are both screens you use to look at something. Not having use of a chuck of any display makes for a bad experience and hurts the ui. Main purpose of a screen in a tv or phone is to give you a full display that doesn’t cut into content.
Again your analogy doesn’t work. Larger screens like the iPad Pro have the same built in functionality with no screen loss. It’s only on the smallest screens where it exists. But to answer your “what if” question, if my 65” OLED screen had a notch the size of the iPhone 13 inside the screen real estate (which would never happen because the thin border is plenty wide enough to contain it), yes I would still get it for the extra features and after a day or two I wouldn’t notice it there either.
 
Again your analogy doesn’t work. Larger screens like the iPad Pro have the same built in functionality with no screen loss. It’s only on the smallest screens where it exists. But to answer your “what if” question, if my 65” OLED screen had a notch the size of the iPhone 13 inside the screen real estate (which would never happen because the thin border is plenty wide enough to contain it), yes I would still get it for the extra features and after a day or two I wouldn’t notice it there either.
Completely missing my point. It’s ok
 
You are confusing UI with content. On the phone, the UI is designed around the notch which means that no chunks of the UI have been removed.

Specific videos? You misspelled “almost every video”. Even the iPhone doesn't shoot videos that wide so if the notch affects your videos you are voluntarily chopping the top and bottom, at which point you have no grounds to complain about the notch being bad for videos. I suppose you could still complain about it, but you sound silly doing so.

Regarding games, my left thumb usually covers that part of the screen, and as far as content is concerned, there is very little which I consider negatively affected by the notch. Even Safari, for example, has a persistent header in portrait and very few sites stretch content to absolute edges in landscape, which means the notch irrelevant to it. It’s just such a non-issue for me.
The ui around the notch is cutting off content that would of been there if the notch wasn’t there.
this whole .25”-.5” of content gone because of the notch even with normal webpages. It hurts screen Real estate because of this cutout in the screen. All I’m trying to get across. If the notch wasn’t there the top bar wouldn’t have to be pulled down like it is.
 

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