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iPhone 15 Pro's A17 Chip Said to Feature 6 GPU Cores, Support for 6GB RAM

anakin44011 said:
My graduate school G3 Powerbook weighed 8 pounds and ran at 292Mhz. It was so big, my classmates said it looked like I was carrying a turtle in my backpack.

And yet...I thought I was bleeding edge.
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Ah you youngsters... I was rocking the original Apple Portable... the lead-acid battery was like 8 lbs... and cost $7300 ($17,200 in today's dollars)... good news is that folks in the dev program got 50% off hardware so was "only" $3650... and we had to walk to the office, uphill, both ways.
 
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redbeard331 said:
It’s a widespread issue people have reported, if you have a lot of apps open at once and are taxing the phone and use the camera it usually will close other apps and it’s unacceptable in a “pro” device. Other, much cheaper phones have in some cases double the ram. This has been a pet peeve of mine since the iPhone first came out, always short on ram. Every year they upgrade the chip and it seems to be unnoticeable, but every year that they’ve upped the ram, people have noticed immediate and large improvements in how the phone performs. I think everyone can remember how sluggish the iPhone 6 was as it carried on with only 1gb of ram. When the 6S came out with 2gb it felt like lightning compared to the 6, I still have my 6S and it still works well to this day because it has enough ram for what it is.

I’m not spending another 1500 bucks on a phone that can’t even do the most basic tasks without apps crashing and stuttering. That’s unacceptable to me, I’ll buy a pixel In a heartbeat if Apple doesn’t want my money.
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falainber said:
Galaxy S23 Ultra is in class of its own.
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Very true what was said above.
This is just a small test I did with my 12GB S23 Ultra, you know the smartphone "that uses a lot of RAM because of the inefficient Android" or the smartphone that has "excessive RAM due to subpar software optimization". So bad Android and bad having more RAM, anyway I was able to do the following(and mind you the phone was in Light performance Mode so it wasn't operating at max performance):
-3 camera apps(yes 3), with Expert Raw I took 50MP RAW+JPG's at the same time(very demanding)
-2 heavy games plus another game for good measure(I don't know if it was resource intensive but it's not a light game).
-screen recording(which by itself it shouldn't be light on resource usage)
https://imgur.com/jFa9vsK

Now what can I say having more RAM definitely sucks ;). And NO the 12GB on the S23U is not meant for me to use the phone like I just did here, it's there to ensure the phone has enough resources for the long term. 6GB of RAM is definitely not future proof. The additional 4GB my S23U has over the base 8GB will definitely make a difference in the long run and that's great, that was what I wanted, that's what Apple won't offer if they will remain at 6GB.
 
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So it’s possible to cause the phone to close apps if you do things you’d never do in real life? i’m shocked. Shocked I tell you
 
Aurizen said:
I was really hoping for 8 gigs of ram. I shouldn't be Suprised apple isn't doing that. Look how long they took to give iPhones 2 gigs of ram when other phones had 4 gigs.
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Is your current phone refusing to work or something?
 
TMRJIJ said:
I..I..just... I don't understand people who do this.

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I did the same thing to see how many tabs I can have open.
 
DBZmusicboy01 said:
How does the Galaxy S23 Ultra have 12GB of RAM and the PRO iPhone 15 that came after it will only have 6GB? It is extremely ridiculous especially if Apple raises the price of the phones and not even have more RAM.
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It’s a bullet point on a tech spec feature list to bait and rile up their techno-geek fan base. Samsung has always been known to be a spec numbers whore; always throwing out big numbers to prop up their wares. They do they same with “Gee-whiz” features as well, only to end being gimmicks.

Complaining about something like RAM just shows how little is known about an operating system’s foundational architecture, which from the get-go was designed for efficient use and allocation of system resources.
 
Hkfan45 said:
Flagship android devices have 12-16GB. Why is apple so stingy? And no, don’t excuse by telling us ios is so much more efficient. It’s not.
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Flagship Android devices need something to set them apart from iPhones whether it is a benefit or not to the end user. Having more and bigger is one way to do that… It started with larger screens, more CPU cores, more RAM, higher megapixel cameras, OLED screens, etc. And for the most part it works when it tricks people into thinking that’s what they need. No one cares about how much memory an iPhone has, except people who think it is an important metric because, “It’s more!”

It takes a constant flow of power for volatile memory to perssist. So even when your device is “off”, the more memory it is using, the more power it will drain. Yes, it is not a lot of power, but it is an area where “efficiency” can make a small dent.
 
Since chips are getting smaller and more powerful, the heat which they output is higher.

We know now that 15 Pro/Max will be made from Titanium and I was curious to see how it acts for thermal dissipation.

Titanium thermal conductivity λ=15.24W/(m. K), about 1/4 nickel, iron 1/5, aluminum 1/14, and a variety of titanium alloy thermal conductivity than the thermal conductivity of titanium decreased by about 50%.
The thermal conductivity of stainless-steel ranges between 20-60 W/(m.K). Generally speaking, stainless steel has higher thermal conductivity than titanium and is thus more suitable for applications that require heat transfer or rapid cooling.
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Titanium seems worse than stainless steel. I'm curious now how A17 will be cooled in general.
 
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Early iPhone 15 Pro A17 Benchmarks! The A17 Bionic is currently around 20-30% faster in CPU and 36% faster in GPU when compared to the A16 Bionic. The A17 Bionic is 47% faster in CPU single-core performance when compared to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👀 🤫
 

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TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ said:
Early iPhone 15 Pro A17 Benchmarks! The A17 Bionic is currently around 20-30% faster in CPU and 36% faster in GPU when compared to the A16 Bionic. The A17 Bionic is 47% faster in CPU single-core performance when compared to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👀 🤫
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Like I replied in Twitter. Actually is like this

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690739370100404224

SC ~23%
MC - 9%

Just like in the past. Marginal upgrade in terms of performance. I'm more curious for efficiency. It's way more important, since even the iPhone 11/12 are still very powerful. A14 is probably one of my favorite chips.
 
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TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ said:
Early iPhone 15 Pro A17 Benchmarks! The A17 Bionic is currently around 20-30% faster in CPU and 36% faster in GPU when compared to the A16 Bionic. The A17 Bionic is 47% faster in CPU single-core performance when compared to the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3! 👀 🤫
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Let's just hope that battery performance is much better than the reports Ive been hearing about the betas.

battery performance and longevity > processor speed ;)
 
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obviouslogic said:
Flagship Android devices need something to set them apart from iPhones whether it is a benefit or not to the end user. Having more and bigger is one way to do that… It started with larger screens, more CPU cores, more RAM, higher megapixel cameras, OLED screens, etc. And for the most part it works when it tricks people into thinking that’s what they need. No one cares about how much memory an iPhone has, except people who think it is an important metric because, “It’s more!”

It takes a constant flow of power for volatile memory to perssist. So even when your device is “off”, the more memory it is using, the more power it will drain. Yes, it is not a lot of power, but it is an area where “efficiency” can make a small dent.
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I don’t know why people say these sort of things, maybe people who use phones with Android on them don’t care about all of that and just want their device to work well for them?

I’d rather have more ram than needed, so I never have a bottleneck there, than too little.

Kind of like it is with cars, there’s a saying that one cannot have “too much” braking power/performance. While most people may never actually need 100% of their brakes, all it takes is one trip down a mountain road with too little to find out that good brakes are worth every penny.

Also the iPhones have had smallish batteries for too long, I believe the 14 pros have smaller batteries than the 13 pros. Thankfully the rumors are saying the 15’s are finally getting substantially larger batteries, as we’ve seen in everything from electric cars to cell phones, there’s only so much you can do with efficiency, large enough batteries are essential in 2023.
 
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While I personally don’t have a lot of issues with 6GB, I still sometimes get apps crashing or reloading especially when I use them with the camera app. So yeah, while I don’t really think I need it that much, having 8GB would be very welcome.
I hope those rumors are wrong, having 6GB on the 15 Pros would honestly be kind of a bummer. But if that happens, I guess we’ll just have to wait for the 16 Pros.
 
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redbeard331 said:
I don’t know why people say these sort of things, maybe people who use phones with Android on them don’t care about all of that and just want their device to work well for them?

I’d rather have more ram than needed, so I never have a bottleneck there, than too little.

Kind of like it is with cars, there’s a saying that one cannot have “too much” braking power/performance. While most people may never actually need 100% of their brakes, all it takes is one trip down a mountain road with too little to find out that good brakes are worth every penny.

Also the iPhones have had smallish batteries for too long, I believe the 14 pros have smaller batteries than the 13 pros. Thankfully the rumors are saying the 15’s are finally getting substantially larger batteries, as we’ve seen in everything from electric cars to cell phones, there’s only so much you can do with efficiency, large enough batteries are essential in 2023.
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Analogy is way off. try comparing trunk space instead. Not having enough memory is not life threatening to you or your device… especially since dormant data/code can be offloaded to the SSD if necessary (or in iOS case, apps are in a constantly saved persistent state). the only apps that would ever need to utilize that much memory are higher end games.

By the way… very few people care about how much RAM is in their phones, even less people ”feel better” knowing they have more memory they could potentially use at some point.

Is 12GB of RAMN in an iPhone better then 6GB? Yes, it is. Is it necessary? Not at all. Apple has always finely tuned their devices to balance them out. When was the last time anyone has encountered an “not enough memory” error on their phone? After 7 years of use, my original iPad Pro with only 2GB of RAM was finally starting to show its age constantly needing to reload web pages and apps because it didn’t have enough memory.
 
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JPack said:
Nah, we just weren't expecting Apple to offer the same 6GB for four years in a row. That's never happened before.

iPhone 12 Pro
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But you will get USB-C everyone seems crying for. 8GB next year.
 
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