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This is cool and all from a bragging standpoint, and I get it. You don't want to stay idle, but I think we've long since reached the point of diminishing returns. I'm on a 13 and probably would have still been good to go on my XS.

Same, I only sold the XS because the Intel modem was missing/dropping calls. The XS was fast enough, lasted two days on a charge after 3 years, wireless charging daily didn't destroy the battery despite the rumors thereof, and had a nice size/shape.

My 13 is a brick, I regret I didn't get the 13 mini and I'm worried even the base models are only growing bigger.
 
Good god. How do you reach that far for excuses without your arm detaching into orbit?

The Galaxy Note 2 (2012) had a 5.5” 720p screen, which was enormous and laughable at the time, and now Apple and other companies don’t even make a modern phone that small. The Note 2 (and smaller phones) supported split-screen.

Nobody is being forced to use it. If the text is too small, users can zoom or increase the size!

I don’t see why this is such a complicated issue and why people feel the need to fiercely justify the omission of a basic feature that every other phone has had for years.
Apple is foremost a design company and is not known for bending to every user’s whim like yours. They’re known for being really late to the party but when they do they get it right while other companies focus on getting features out first.
You may have forgotten Samsung’s facial recognition being fooled by just holding a picture and fingerprint sensor by a latex while iPhone’s biometrics set a standard. Just creating a multitasking system isn’t a problem. There are other factors to consider like the impact on the battery, differentiating from other manufacturers, intuitive etc.

If my understanding of how Apple operates sound like making excuses then there’s no point in reasoning with you. Cheers!
 
3.7GHz in your pocket is amazing to me. For college, I remember my 40lbs tower from "Gateway" 😂 had a 1.0Ghz Intel Core Duo. Probably required the power of small city to run.

I can still hear the rumbling sounds from my first 20MB HDD spinning up and writing data, or the dreaded bzzzbzzz bzzbzz bzzzbzzz bzzbzz sound the floppy drive would emit just before declaring a CRC error.
 
I can still hear the rumbling sounds from my first 20MB HDD spinning up and writing data, or the dreaded bzzzbzzz bzzbzz bzzzbzzz bzzbzz sound the floppy drive would emit just before declaring a CRC error.
My first PC was a Pentium 4 with Hyper Threading (yeah, the first CPU with that technology). One single core @ 3GHz. One Gigabyte of RAM. And a big, chunky hard drive of around 60GB.

Nowadays we have hexa-core CPUs @ 3.5GHz, with a much more powerful GPU, and four to six times the RAM of my first computer… in our pockets.

The magic of ARM, TSMC, and Apple SoC designs.
 
Split-screen multitasking may not look cool in iOS tho. I think Apple needs to increase the size of the screen. (Not just make it taller but wider too) to take full advantage of the split-screen. Maybe iPhone Ultra will offer that?

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I use split screen multitasking all the time on my iPad Air v4, works wonders for me… 👍🏻
 
This is hard to believe, just yesterday I was doing something important on my phone, had to take a quick snapshot of something, and the app I was working in had to reload and I lost everything. Apple has to be aware that even their “pro” phones are hamstrung by the lack of ram, this may just be a dealbreaker for me.

Everyone knows how bad the iPhone 6 was with only 1gb ram, and how much better the 6S was since they doubled it to 2gb. Forget the chip or anything else, we need more ram.

We find it odd as well that people here who need 1.5tb of ram in their desktops are ok with 6gb in their pocket computers.

You can get 12gb in the Pixel 7pro, and the phone is buttery smooth, looking forward to see what the 8 brings, hopefully this rumor is wrong.
 
these spec bumps are cool from a nerd point of view. they are otherwise really pointless. M1 iPad's have fantastic power that can't even be used because iPadOS is a joke for that OS.

so iPhones continue to get better processors for what, to load instagram faster? doom scrolling lemmy is smoother?

it's just r&d to give marketing something to try and wow people over, but it's meaningless while iOS remains locked from doing anything meaningful
 
Ram is so cheap today, it’s amazing they don’t just give you 16gb. Literally the cost of the physical chip at volume is like $2.

Before you say oh but $2 x a million phones is a lot of money for Apple. I’d be more than willing to pay $1201, instead of $1199 if that’s what it takes 😆

Tesla is ripping out a cheap plastic stalk on a $40k+ car. Every time you want to go into forward / reverse you have to reach for the touch screen. They also ripped out a cheap thermometer and replaced it with local weather from the web. Frugality has no limits.
 
I'm really tired of apps getting kicked out of memory every time I open the camera app. This is probably the biggest reason to increase RAM. Apple needs to stop cheaping out in the name of higher profits - they already have the highest margins in the industry by far, with plenty of room for additional RAM while still leading the industry in profit. But they won't.
EXACTLY!

I think all those Apple apologists never use the "most advanced, most sophisticated" iPhone camera ever. 🙄️
 
Tesla is ripping out a cheap plastic stalk on a $40k+ car. Every time you want to go into forward / reverse you have to reach for the touch screen. They also ripped out a cheap thermometer and replaced it with local weather from the web. Frugality has no limits.
We have here someone who does not understand Tesla's ultimate FSD future.

And FYI you don't have to swipe the screen every time, most of the time the Tesla knows whether to go forward or backward.
 
EXACTLY!

I think all those Apple apologists never use the "most advanced, most sophisticated" iPhone camera ever. 🙄️

Yea I don’t see what’s “professional” about a tool that is completely dysfunctional in the areas of multitasking. I mean so much of what we do centers around using various apps and rapidly switching over to the camera to take pics and then getting back to what we were previously doing. Having safari tabs constantly reload, my apps constantly reloading because I *took a pic* is pretty ridiculous.

It’s 2023 and people will be using 15 pro’s well into 24/25/26/27, and Apple may cripple them from day 1. With all the issues the iPhone 14 pro’s have had, the 15’s would be even worse with software bloat, along with whatever hardware updates that may be more ram intensive.
 
That kinda sucks. Was hoping at some point to get split screen multitasking on the iPhone Pro, at least top/bottom and left/right when in landscape. But even as it stands now, with 6GB I see some websites, usually poorly crafted, but I still see some websites even with an ad blocker crashing and reloading frequently. Webdevs are super lazy nowadays. We had to be so efficient for the early iPhone.

The other reason it sucks is more RAM on the iPhone pushes the bar forward for everything. 8GB in an iPhone means the next iPad Pro is more likely to go 12GB/24GB and the MacBook Air as well. I'm still hoping since the new M3 Max is rumored to start at 48GB instead of 32GB that we're doing multiples of 6, so maybe this 6GB number makes sense for the A17 in that context. That means the M3 Pro would likely start at 24GB since it's usually half so maybe the M3 will be 12/24.

I'm only invested in the future of the iPad Pro all of a sudden because my 12.9" iPad Pro screen somehow shattered inside of it's case inside of a padded pocket inside of a bag and I don't know why and Apple wants $749 to replace it which is criminal. Decided I don't really need 16GB RAM on an iPad, which is what I had before, or 12.9", but an 11" 512GB seems like the sweet spot for me instead of 1TB and should save some money. Especially since I'm going to get a 14" MBP from my Intel 16".
 
Yea I don’t see what’s “professional” about a tool that is completely dysfunctional in the areas of multitasking. I mean so much of what we do centers around using various apps and rapidly switching over to the camera to take pics and then getting back to what we were previously doing. Having safari tabs constantly reload, my apps constantly reloading because I *took a pic* is pretty ridiculous.

It’s 2023 and people will be using 15 pro’s well into 24/25/26/27, and Apple may cripple them from day 1. With all the issues the iPhone 14 pro’s have had, the 15’s would be even worse with software bloat, along with whatever hardware updates that may be more ram intensive.
Well everyone is already wondering why a base Macbook has only 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD in 2023.

The answer is, of course, so that Apple can ream customers with their massive 400% Markup Apple Upgrade Tax on RAM/SSD upgrades.
Only really ignorant folks wonder why a base Macbook has only 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD in 2023. Anyone with sense realizes that there are some users (granny's email, K-12 administrators with scores of tightly managed boxes running one-app-at-a-time) who want/need lowest possible price and will do fine with 8 GB.

Folks whining about base RAM IMO just want more for less money, which is boring.

What is important is how much RAM is available. And given that I just put 96 GB in a Macbook Pro, Apple is doing great in that regard - at least until we get to Mac Pros. That said, I add my voice to those asking for more RAM in iPhone Pro models, even though I currently feel no RAM limitations using my iPhone 14 Pro (thousands of RAW captures).
 
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If Apple thinks 6GB is enough in a late 2023/ early 2024 phone that will cost around or more than $1000 then I'm sure they know what they're doing.
 
Only really ignorant folks wonder why a base Macbook has only 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD in 2023. Anyone with sense realizes that there are some users (granny's email, K-12 administrators with scores of tightly managed boxes running one-app-at-a-time) who want/need lowest possible price and will do fine with 8 GB.

Folks whining about base RAM IMO just want more for less money, which is boring.

What is important is how much RAM is available. And given that I just put 96 GB in a Macbook Pro, Apple is doing great in that regard - at least until we get to Mac Pros. That said, I add my voice to those asking for more RAM in iPhone Pro models, even though I currently feel no RAM limitations using my iPhone 14 Pro (thousands of RAW captures).

Your attitude and insults just show that you don’t know what you’re talking about, and you’re being an Apple apologist for no reason.

Plenty of complaints for years about lack of proper ram in the iPhone, and we aren’t talking about a base MacBook Air here, we’re talking about the biggest, most expensive, pro model of the iPhone. That “pro” model is hamstrung by lack of ram, and gets beat by much cheaper Android phones. For the top dollar Apple charges we shouldn’t still be held back because they refuse to put enough ram in the phone.

You know how many posts I’ve lost here on MacRumors because I made the mistake of switching to another app real quick before I finished and hit submit? What’s your excuse for this happening on a top of the line flagship iPhone 14 pro max in 2023? I’d love to hear it.
 
Folks whining about base RAM IMO just want more for less money, which is boring.
Not to mention annoying for Apple shareholders.
Only really ignorant folks wonder why a base Macbook has only 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD in 2023.
True.
Seeing as 8GB RAM costs just under $15 on the spot market, I can only guess how much further it drops if you buy in Apple volumes.

It is really, really obvious why the base configurations of Macs have miniscule amounts of RAM and storage.
 
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