iPhone 15 Pro's Next-Gen Chip Capabilities Expected to Spark Upgrade Demand Among Current iPhone Owners

[Joe Dohn]

For what? Releasing an OS that is more powerful and runs slower on older phones?

People have a choice not to upgrade and keep their phone performing as they are used to it working.

Doing it deliberately to force it to upgrade is considered an anticompetitive practice, analogous to what Apple has done with their batteries. There are definitely previous rulings on that, by the way.

And also, OSes don't need to be slower to do the basic stuff.

 

[BorisDG]

Leaks/rumors to get you hyped and in the end - iPhone 15 Pro will be marginal upgrade. 14 was the same...

 

[Joe Dohn]

A 2015 iPhone can't even run iOS 16 so that locks you out of tons of current apps, features, experiences and technologies that newer iPhones can take advantage of.

You do realize that speech sounds PR-ish, right?
All while being vague too. There is nothing big that iOS 16 can do that iOS 15 can't.

 

[Sammy in SoCal]

Leaks/rumors to get you hyped and in the end - iPhone 15 Pro will be marginal upgrade. 14 was the same...

I don’t know I think you’re kind of wrong because they’re going to go back to curved corners which for me is desirable when I’m holding the phone and it’s not biting into my hand at home when I don’t have a case on it. I think the solid-state buttons with the haptic and the USB-C and the improved efficiency thanks to the first 3 nm chip are worthwhile. Also the camera improvements and the periscope Are nice as well. Speak for yourself

 

[Octavius8]

Sadly, the software side is years behind of exploiting a better CPU. AI on-device is pathetic.
How about more RAM Apple?. That makes a bigger difference in the current and upcoming devices.

 

[BorisDG]

I don't care for USB-C. I don't use the port + Lightning feels much more sturdier/premium (just by putting the cable) than USB-C. For the corners - I'm always using a case so I don't care. For the chip - we will see. Apple can go with smaller battery to reflect the more efficiency chip. Don't forget that they will need more space to fit the haptics and the periscope camera (if this is true).

 

[GuruZac]

Will absolutely be upgrading to the 15 Pro Max. Should be a nice upgrade from the 13 Pro, which is honestly still a great phone. Want the bigger display and battery, USB-C finally, and AoD which I really wish the 13 Pros had.

 

[x86dude]

Many people take their time to upgrade, and then do so for an aggregate of reasons. I’ll be upgrading from an Xs and the story leads with this saying “from older iPhones”.

USB-C, …, and a major new SOC tip me over to buying a 15 Pro.

And I think it’s a good time to buy AAPL.

 

[jlc1978]

Doing it deliberately to force it to upgrade is considered an anticompetitive practice, analogous to what Apple has done with their batteries. There are definitely previous rulings on that, by the way.

The question is "Was it deliberate or a natural result of increased feature sets?"

And also, OSes don't need to be slower to do the basic stuff.

Right. And when newer versions only do basic things on older models and more on newer ones users bitch about that and how "XYZ is forcing us to upgrade."

Personally, if what you have works fine then stick with it and forgo upgrades. If you upgrade, realize it may come at a performance cost or limited new feature set.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Ask 100 people what their current processor does, chances are equally the same.

Believe you/me when I tell you, nobody cares. All people see is form factor these days. Bragging rites for when they’re in public, as a status symbol.

Why does Apple even bother?

The thing is, though, sure people don’t care about what CPU, GPU, how much RAM, how many megapixels, whatever is in their phone.
But they do know that when they upgrade their phone, on average every three years, the new phone will feel smoother and faster, apps will open quicker, photos will be clearer, the screen will be brighter, apps will keep their places and not refresh for longer, the storage will be increased, their service should be stronger, everything should just feel nice and new.
People who upgrade every single year usually don’t get that, but the majority of people don’t upgrade every year.
The majority of people don’t upgrade every two years even anymore.
Going from something like an 11, which is only three years old right now, which only has a basic 750P LCD, 3GB of RAM, 7NM processor, LTE, a several years degraded battery and 64GB of storage to a 15 which will have a XDR OLED display with the dynamic Island and a 3NM processor with 6 GB of RAM and a brand new fresh battery and a 48 MP camera and 5G and 128GB of storage…
but even if they don’t know any of that they’ll still appreciate that it feels better. They don’t need to know what processor is in it.
In a sort of related story, I recently finally moved from the Apple TV HD back from 2015 to the 2022 Apple TV 4K. On paper it seemed like a tiny upgrade but as soon as I started using it, it was immediately apparent just how laggy the old HD model was.
It is shocking how smooth it feels to use the new thing, and it’s literally just the same interface as the old one. On paper it should feel basically identical for the most part, but it’s a really nice boost.
That’s why sometimes, the little tiny spec bumps are good. They might not be very exciting, but they add up.

 

[sjperformance]

I don’t remember the last time I felt my iPhone slow 🤷🏽‍♂️

 

[Joe Dohn]

It is shocking how smooth it feels to use the new thing, and it’s literally just the same interface as the old one. On paper it should feel basically identical for the most part, but it’s a really nice boost.
That’s why sometimes, the little tiny spec bumps are good. They might not be very exciting, but they add up.

There's a limit to how much you can boost the screen brightness without hurting one's sight, or to how much you can increase the resolution with it still making a difference.

For example, after 8k resolution, or eyes won't see much of a picture difference from up close. Sure, you could use a higher resolution to project images on a larger screen. But with 8k, we're already talking about a movie theater screen. Do you know anyone who NEEDs to project their phone image on a screen larger than 2,5m x 3m, which is the equivalent of a movie theater?

Even photos in 4k are sometimes a waste, because chances are people won't see that photo very enlarged.

 

[Premium1]

Lol 99% of people have no clue what processor is in their phone. What apple needs to do is use some of the power they already have in the chips for things people want (Like less sucky post-processing software in photos or some of the AI things like Google is doing). Apple is falling behind on the software front with each IOS version.

 

[257Loner]

"Apple's upcoming iPhone 15 Pro models may spark a "replacement demand" among owners of older iPhones"

This is not news. This is how capitalism works. This is as extraordinary as saying: Dad grilling dogs, brats, and burgers on the grill has sent an aroma, enticing his family and his kids' friends to ask "when's dinner?"

Apple is cooking up some new iPhones, and that "may spark...demand among owners of older iPhones"?! Get out of town! Get out! 🤣

 

[coachingguy]

I usually upgrade every two years… rocking a 12promax… passed on 14s… Waiting on the USB C and new camera, battery… I’ll be ordering day one… Hopefully there’s a Matte Black…

Coachinggguy

 

[Rookbird¥]

I’m sorry but Apple needs to stop worrying about their chips so much and start worrying about their software. The current chips are advanced but the current software is useless for real productivity. And their software keeps getting more and more buggy. I remember when Apple was way ahead of Windows in the OS department but not so much anymore. Windows may even be more solid than MacOS. And the main reason people buy Apple computers is because of MacOS.

 

[McWetty]

You feel no reason to upgrade, but go on to give four or five reasons to upgrade?

Yep. Reasons don’t beget action. I feel no compulsion to upgrade. But if I do, those are the reasons that interest me.

 

[spcopsmac21]

Apple's upcoming iPhone 15 Pro models may spark a "replacement demand" among owners of older iPhones, due to the significant improvements enabled by the A17 processor, Apple's first iPhone chip based on TSMC's first-generation 3-nanometer process.

That's according to suppliers involved in Apple's iPhone supply chain. Quoting from the latest DigiTimes industry report:
As we've been hearing lately, Apple is widely expected to adopt TSMC's 3nm technology this year for the A17 Bionic chip that is likely to power the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max models.

The first-gen 3nm process (also known as N3) is said to deliver a 35% power efficiency improvement over TSMC's 5nm-based N4 fabrication process, which was used to make the A16 Bionic chip for the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max. The N3 technology will also offer significantly improved performance compared to current chips manufactured on 5nm.

Reports suggest Apple has procured 100% of the initial orders for the first-gen 3nm technology, despite the higher costs involved in manufacturing, suggesting rival smartphone vendors like Samsung are willing to wait until prices come down while they weather what is expected to be a bleak 2023 for the Android market amid global economic turbulence.

Apple's faster A17 chips will be limited to the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max, while the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus will adopt the A16 chip that was first used in the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max. TSMC is poised to move N3E – an enhanced version of N3 – to commercial production in the second half of this year, and Apple is again expected to be the first customer to adopt the process.

The 2023 iPhone 15 Pro models are expected to feature USB-C instead of Lightning, solid-state volume and power buttons, new periscope camera technology, a tweaked design, and more. For all the details, check out our dedicated iPhone 15 Pro roundup.

Article Link: iPhone 15 Pro's Next-Gen Chip Capabilities Expected to Spark Upgrade Demand Among Current iPhone Owners

It won’t. It’s going to look 95% the same. Do exactly the same thing the last one did with a MASSIVE CAMERA BUMP. 🤢🤮 and cost more.

My 14PM is already like walking around with a brink. The battery is terrible. And if I weren’t in a contract with Verizon I would have gotten rid of it already. The dynamic island is going to end up on the 15, it’s terrible. Eye popping and annoying.
Apples really gotten stagnant.

 

[DynamicNotch]

Any significant price increase will shut out alot of potential buyers in this economy

 

[ilikewhey]

I upgrade every year, but very very excited for this.

hopefully they have another black option. don’t know if I’ll go for that or silver. kind of tired of the annual flagship colors.

then why you still using a 12 pro max lol

 

[sevoneone]

As others have said, I am more excited at the prospect of M3 chips being 3nm in the next generation of Macs.


I wouldn’t complain about an iPhone that could go an entire weekend without needing a charge, otherwise I don’t see it creating a lot of demand unless the AR headset, or a version of it, can be tied to an iPhone and the A17 having tech that unlocks features…

Every Apple device now runs on the same architecture and the same Darwin kernel, Metal… someone in the glass doughnut up in Cupertino must be working on some sort of zero config distributed computing tech that can tap the unused cpu, gpu and neural resources on all the devices sitting in your pocket and around the house…

 

[1madman1]

There are plenty of improvements that Apple could to to the iPhone to encourage me up update. Speed is not one of them.

If you swapped the CPU in my iPhone 11 Pro with one from an iPhone 8 I doubt I'd even notice the difference.

 

[ImAlwaysRight]

AT&T locked me in to 3 years with my free iPhone 13 Pro, so I've got another 18 months to go. So iP16 is soonest for me. My 13 Pro works so well, I may just wait until iP17 comes out in 2025.

 

[santa]

Apple's upcoming iPhone 15 Pro models may spark a "replacement demand" among owners of older iPhones, due to the significant improvements enabled by the A17 processor, Apple's first iPhone chip based on TSMC's first-generation 3-nanometer process.

That's according to suppliers involved in Apple's iPhone supply chain. Quoting from the latest DigiTimes industry report:
As we've been hearing lately, Apple is widely expected to adopt TSMC's 3nm technology this year for the A17 Bionic chip that is likely to power the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max models.

The first-gen 3nm process (also known as N3) is said to deliver a 35% power efficiency improvement over TSMC's 5nm-based N4 fabrication process, which was used to make the A16 Bionic chip for the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max. The N3 technology will also offer significantly improved performance compared to current chips manufactured on 5nm.

Reports suggest Apple has procured 100% of the initial orders for the first-gen 3nm technology, despite the higher costs involved in manufacturing, suggesting rival smartphone vendors like Samsung are willing to wait until prices come down while they weather what is expected to be a bleak 2023 for the Android market amid global economic turbulence.

Apple's faster A17 chips will be limited to the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max, while the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus will adopt the A16 chip that was first used in the iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max. TSMC is poised to move N3E – an enhanced version of N3 – to commercial production in the second half of this year, and Apple is again expected to be the first customer to adopt the process.

The 2023 iPhone 15 Pro models are expected to feature USB-C instead of Lightning, solid-state volume and power buttons, new periscope camera technology, a tweaked design, and more. For all the details, check out our dedicated iPhone 15 Pro roundup.

Article Link: iPhone 15 Pro's Next-Gen Chip Capabilities Expected to Spark Upgrade Demand Among Current iPhone Owners

They have me at the actual zoom lens that is optical. That is what I have been waiting for.

 

[svish]

Periscope zoom itself can be a huge upgrade reason. Expecting better battery life with A17