iPhone 15 USB-C Cables Without MFi Badge May Have Data Transfer and Charging Speed Limits

[jlc1978]

The only requirement is they must follow and meet Standard EN IEC 62680-1-3:2021.

If their cable and/or port isn’t certified according the USB-IF consortium the. It’s breaking EU law.

Just the device. The law, IIRC, only requires devices to be compliant and support charging per the law, not the cables, as you point out:

2.2. be capable of being charged with cables which comply with the standard EN IEC 62680-1-3:2021 “Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power – Part 1-3: Common components – USB Type-C® Cable and Connector Specification”.

Well the EU legislation cares about a common charging port not data. It will be as universal as USB-IF designs the standard, unless EU say all USB cables must support PD 100w by default.

Exactly. We’re pretty much in violent agreement overall. However, it will only be universal in terms of the minimum support required, the law even specifically allows custom implementations, data as well as charging, alongside the required support.

 

[jlc1978]

Bad example, most thunderbolt 3 cables out there will work as thunderbolt 4 cables. The gotcha is longer active cables that wont pass DP and can have other signalling mismatches, but by far the bulk of TB3 cables out there are passive <3M cables that should work as TB4 just fine

True, but a TB3 cable is still a TB cable, not a non-TB cable, which I was talking about.

Even so, as you point out, even TB cables are not necessarily forward compatible.

 

[blazerunner]

Some good news for consumers, EU won't allow Apple to be scumbags;

European Union hurts Apple again - cannot limit USB Type-C charging speed

European Union hurts Apple again - cannot limit USB Type-C charging speed. If Apple tries to limit the speed, it will be breaking the law.

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Its amazing how so many people cheerlead for Apple and dismiss what the EU is forcing Apple to do... You know, the right thing. My God.

 

[mrochester]

Some good news for consumers, EU won't allow Apple to be scumbags;

European Union hurts Apple again - cannot limit USB Type-C charging speed

European Union hurts Apple again - cannot limit USB Type-C charging speed. If Apple tries to limit the speed, it will be breaking the law.

www.gizchina.com

Its amazing how so many people cheerlead for Apple and dismiss what the EU is forcing Apple to do... You know, the right thing. My God.

Forcing apple to use USBC isn’t the right thing, that’s kinda the whole problem with the eu regulation 😛

 

[seek3r]

Forcing apple to use USBC isn’t the right thing, that’s kinda the whole problem with the eu regulation 😛

It’s the right thing for consumers, for the general public, you know, the folks government is *supposed* to be helping.

 

[mrochester]

It’s the right thing for consumers, for the general public, you know, the folks government is *supposed* to be helping.

It’s not the right thing for me, and I’m a consumer/general public.

governments should be focussing on IMPORTANT things, not this kind of trite around the edges that benefits no one.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

It’s not the right thing for me, and I’m a consumer/general public.

governments should be focussing on IMPORTANT things, not this kind of trite around the edges that benefits no one.

It quite literally benefits everyone. No more micro usb on anything and no lightning/ micro usb on keyboard or Magic Mouse.

Controllers, headsets battery banks etc will all use USB-C.

What do you think the purpose is of EU is? It’s one main purpose is regulating the single market. We have national governments doing other important stuff like police, military, healthcare, education, road safety etc.

Some good news for consumers, EU won't allow Apple to be scumbags;

European Union hurts Apple again - cannot limit USB Type-C charging speed

European Union hurts Apple again - cannot limit USB Type-C charging speed. If Apple tries to limit the speed, it will be breaking the law.

www.gizchina.com

Its amazing how so many people cheerlead for Apple and dismiss what the EU is forcing Apple to do... You know, the right thing. My God.

Well to be fair it was already known if anyone spent 10minutes reading the legislation

 

[seek3r]

It’s not the right thing for me, and I’m a consumer/general public.

governments should be focussing on IMPORTANT things, not this kind of trite around the edges that benefits no one.

Ah yes, and you are everyone. This is an incredibly popular regulation for a reason. And this is important to a lot of people. And as the poster above me said too, this kind of regulation is actually *exactly* the kind of thing the EU as a supra-national entity is charged with doing.

 

[blazerunner]

It’s not the right thing for me, and I’m a consumer/general public.

governments should be focussing on IMPORTANT things, not this kind of trite around the edges that benefits no one.

I'm also a consumer, and it's a great thing for me and many others that it will, contrary to what you think, BENEFIT.

 

[mrochester]

Ah yes, and you are everyone. This is an incredibly popular regulation for a reason. And this is important to a lot of people. And as the poster above me said too, this kind of regulation is actually *exactly* the kind of thing the EU as a supra-national entity is charged with doing.

I’m not saying I’m everyone, I think most people are going to be annoyed by the implications of this regulation.

 

[seek3r]

I’m not saying I’m everyone, I think most people are going to be annoyed by the implications of this regulation.

Why? USBC is ubiquitous for everything except iPhones by this point, even in Apple's lineup. All macs have been USBC for 7 years now, most of the past decade, all the iPads are now USBC. For folks that pair their gear with beats those are USBC too.

The plug for the standard apple watch charger is now USBC. Even the most recent lightning cables use USBC on the plug side, so chargers have all moved over to USBC. Consistent cables and chargers across Apple's products, and the ability to share cables and chargers with your android fam and friends, is huge.

It's even more huge in Europe, India, Brazil, or other countries considering similar regs than the US because iPhones are not as a big in any of those places as they are in the US. In the US iPhones are the majority of phones at just over 50%. In Europe that number is ~30%. In Brazil it's 15%. In India it's a whopping 4%. Lining iPhones up with the majority of other users is a huge boon. It also just makes life much easier, especially if you're using the general apple ecosystem. Being able to just plug into any cable in my house with any of my Apple devices is a massive convenience.

For folks in families or etc that are mixed iPhone and android it helps too, no more keeping multiple cables plugged in in your car, by the couch, etc to make sure everyone can charge.

And if you think it's a "crap need to replace my cables with a new phone" problem, people already chew through cables anyway. They break, pets get to them, kids get to them, they get lost, etc. People buy new cables all the time, that's why Anker and co sell so many on Amazon to begin with, or every smaller brand, or amazon basics. That's why every gas station has a pile of cables at the counter. That's why every convenience store, bodega, pharmacy, grocery store, etc have them. That's why you see street vendors everywhere with cables. Etc. Now it'll be a more ubiquitous cable that everyone can use. Not to mention if you're buying a new expensive phone it's not like you can't buy a $3 cable to go with it.

And, as I said, the regulation is super popular, so stats say you're wrong anyway

 

[mrochester]

Why? USBC is ubiquitous for everything except iPhones by this point, even in Apple's lineup. All macs have been USBC for 7 years now, most of the past decade, all the iPads are now USBC. For folks that pair their gear with beats those are USBC too.

The plug for the standard apple watch charger is now USBC. Even the most recent lightning cables use USBC on the plug side, so chargers have all moved over to USBC. Consistent cables and chargers across Apple's products, and the ability to share cables and chargers with your android fam and friends, is huge.

It's even more huge in Europe, India, Brazil, or other countries considering similar regs than the US because iPhones are not as a big in any of those places as they are in the US. In the US iPhones are the majority of phones at just over 50%. In Europe that number is ~30%. In Brazil it's 15%. In India it's a whopping 4%. Lining iPhones up with the majority of other users is a huge boon. It also just makes life much easier, especially if you're using the general apple ecosystem. Being able to just plug into any cable in my house with any of my Apple devices is a massive convenience.

For folks in families or etc that are mixed iPhone and android it helps too, no more keeping multiple cables plugged in in your car, by the couch, etc to make sure everyone can charge.

And if you think it's a "crap need to replace my cables with a new phone" problem, people already chew through cables anyway. They break, pets get to them, kids get to them, they get lost, etc. People buy new cables all the time, that's why Anker and co sell so many on Amazon to begin with, or every smaller brand, or amazon basics. That's why every gas station has a pile of cables at the counter. That's why every convenience store, bodega, pharmacy, grocery store, etc have them. That's why you see street vendors everywhere with cables. Etc. Now it'll be a more ubiquitous cable that everyone can use. Not to mention if you're buying a new expensive phone it's not like you can't buy a $3 cable to go with it.

And, as I said, the regulation is super popular, so stats say you're wrong anyway

I think people are going to be annoyed at needing to get new charging cables for their phone.

I’ve not seen any statistics as the popularity of the regulation.

 

[AppliedMicro]

I think people are going to be annoyed at needing to get new charging cables for their phone.

In the short term, you may be right.
Over the longer term, people will notice the benefits of being able to charge their laptops, tablets and smartphones with a single cable.

 

[mrochester]

In the short term, you may be right.
Over the longer term people will notice the benefits of being able to charge their laptops, tablets and smartphones with a single cable.

I’m not sure they will as I suspect people already and will continue to use separate cables for those.

 

[Ta0jin]

I think people are going to be annoyed at needing to get new charging cables for their phone.

I’ve not seen any statistics as the popularity of the regulation.

Pretty sure the new phone will come with one.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

I think people are going to be annoyed at needing to get new charging cables for their phone.

I’ve not seen any statistics as the popularity of the regulation.

Why would you need to get a new cable? Cables are already included with the phone. So you automatically get a brandspankigly new usb c to usb c cable.

And everything else that doesn’t have replaceable batteries comes with a cable.

You don’t stop using you old devices the second a new thing comes out.

And in eu currently a changing cable is mandatory to be included anyway, with a future possibility to not need to include one as an option after an evacuation of the market in a few years.

And as a bonus most people likely already have a couple usb c to usb c cables at home

I’m not sure they will as I suspect people already and will continue to use separate cables for those.

Why? Do you use a specific cable for the Magic Mouse? Your headset? Only reason is if you have different ports on different devices.

Mostly people will just grab a random usb c cable they have. You might have several cables but now it will not matter what connection is at the end.

 

[AppliedMicro]

Why would you need to get a new cable? Cables are already included with the phone.

For the time being.
Prepare for that to change.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that's rather soon. Apple has done it before: they not only removed the power adapter from the retail box and then, in timely fashion switched from including a Lightning to USB-A (which every consumer owned power adapters for, probably more than one) to a Lightning to USB-C cable that relatively few consumers owned adapters for. Clever way and timing to sell more USB-C power adapters.

It will probably play out in the usual fashion:
- Apple will stop including USB-C charging cables with their new 2025 iPhone models
- Days later: Samsung will poke fun at Apple on social media for selling phones without cables
- Six months or so later: Samsung themselves will cease to include charging cables with their newest Galaxys

And in eu currently a changing cable is mandatory to be included anyway

Says who?
I'm not aware of any EU mandatory requirement to include a cable.

The new EU directive in fact seems to indicate the contrary to me, as it not only explicitly mandates that that (some) devices must be available without a charging device, but also lays the groundwork for mandatory unbundling of chargers and cables.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

For the time being.
Prepare for that to change.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that's rather soon. Apple has done it before: they not only removed the power adapter from the retail box and then, in timely fashion switched from including a Lightning to USB-A (which every consumer owned power adapters for, probably more than one) to a Lightning to USB-C cable that relatively few consumers owned adapters for. Clever way and timing to sell more USB-C power adapters.

Well the reason was the ability to quick charge only works with USB c.

It will probably play out in the usual fashion:
- Apple will stop including USB-C charging cables with their new 2025 iPhone models
- Days later: Samsung will poke fun at Apple on social media for selling phones without cables
- Six months or so later: Samsung themselves will cease to include charging cables with their newest Galaxys

If that's the case then so be it. As long as it's USB c port I'm satisfied

Says who?
I'm not aware of any EU mandatory requirement to include a cable.

The new EU directive in fact seems to indicate the contrary to me, as it not only explicitly mandates that that (some) devices must be available without a charging device, but also lays the groundwork for mandatory unbundling of chargers and cables.

It’s an older legislation that mandates you must have a charging cable included with the product.

And actually the older mandate that required micro usb also included requirements to have a cable. This has since long ago been repealed. I think it was frokn2009-2014 it expored.

Showing that regulatorns can easily remove unecesary laws when not needed.