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Wonder how many teens would want Apple Intelligence to cheat on their homework. Type up an essay in Google Docs and log in on the phone to use that "proofread" option.

Educators can't adapt fast enough.
To be fair, Grammarly already did this across all platforms and does it better than Apple Intelligence, with reasoning behind every proposed change and more fluid writing tone. Students that care have been and still are using it like crazy! Most are just too unmotivated to even do that, though, and I get it. Being stuck in an education system that clearly focuses on all the wrong things and doesn't care to get with the times makes them distrust it and become careless.
 
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I won’t upgrade from my IPhone 15 pro.. and I could not give 2 sh**s about AI in my phone. That is so far down on my list over things that would make me upgrade…
 
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Asks the wrong question. The important question is: Are teenagers (or anyone else) buying Android (or Chinese) phones to replace iPhones? If so how many?

Lost customer base is much more important than delayed sales.

According to the latest survey, 87% of respondents own an iPhone which is the same percentage as last year and two years ago. It's up from 85% in 2020, 83% in 2019, 82% in 2018, and 78% in 2017. This would suggest that Apple has gained (since 4 to 7 years) or maintained (last few years) market share among teens.
 
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All this talk about "Apple" Intelligence is quite irritating. I think some people don't realise that this stuff is already available on any device via the internet. Apple is woefully behind the curve. I cannot for a moment see why teens (or anyone else) would upgrade their device to use a second or third-hand AI services.
 
All this talk about "Apple" Intelligence is quite irritating. I think some people don't realise that this stuff is already available on any device via the internet. Apple is woefully behind the curve. I cannot for a moment see why teens (or anyone else) would upgrade their device to use a second or third-hand AI services.

For some, it's about the application or integration of "AI" features that aren't the same as you can get elsewhere.
 
To be fair, Grammarly already did this across all platforms and does it better than Apple Intelligence, with reasoning behind every proposed change and more fluid writing tone. Students that care have been and still are using it like crazy! Most are just too unmotivated to even do that, though, and I get it. Being stuck in an education system that clearly focuses on all the wrong things and doesn't care to get with the times makes them distrust it and become careless.

I always warned kids about Grammarly. It wasn't so much that it was cheating - using technology to make sure things like sentence structure is proper is fair game - but that it sterilized their writing. It might sound more proper but it isn't in their voice.

I suppose we'll have to see what happens like always. I hope that their desire to be and express themselves overcomes the desire to get work out of the way.
 
All this talk about "Apple" Intelligence is quite irritating. I think some people don't realise that this stuff is already available on any device via the internet. Apple is woefully behind the curve. I cannot for a moment see why teens (or anyone else) would upgrade their device to use a second or third-hand AI services.
Because it’s integrated into the core of the operating system. That you “cannot for a moment” see why teens or anyone else would upgrade is not on apple to convince you.

We will all see where this goes.
 
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why even call this the iPhone 16 when the main “feature” is software? I’ve been saying this since the keynote. This year’s iPhone doesn’t qualify as the next numerical number. It’s an iPhone 15S (even could’ve went with 15.1).

You see the articles now: rumors iPhones won’t drop every year; sales dropping. Comments saying they’re keeping their phones.

I’m personally holding onto my 14PM. Waiting for the 17PM or Air.

Tim Cook needs to go.
 
You see the articles now: rumors iPhones won’t drop every year; sales dropping. Comments saying they’re keeping their phones.

Now? Those types of articles and comments have been around for years and years yet iPhone sales have remained strong. While some estimates have shown iPhone unit sales dropping in 2022 and 2023, the drop was from a record 2021. Estimated average annual sales the last three years were around 235 million.


Tim Cook needs to go.

Some have been saying that practically from the day he became CEO in 2011. Meanwhile, iPhone sales in 2023 were about 220% higher than they were in 2011.
 
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Nah. People are sick of 60hz here.
Are they? I've never seen a difference when displays were upgraded from LCD to OLED. Don't see a difference in 60Hz, 90Hz or 120Hz. Don't see a difference in added pixels. Only time I saw a difference was with the higher res on the iPad3 and iPhone4.

I don't see the difference. And neither do any of my friends and family. Nor colleagues.
 
True that. Just not with all the later innovations on screen tech.
I also know several people who either don't notice a difference or only notice it in a direct side-by-side comparison. If you don't notice it and/or don't care, then there's obviously no reason to pay extra just for better display tech. Nothing wrong with not being sick of older screen tech 😅.
 
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You know you can turn it off if you don’t want it?
Sure of course I can. But my iPhone 14PM is a fantastic phone and while I have been a proponent of upgrading every year to every other year in the past, the innovation in the new annual upgrade cycles has slowed so significantly that there is really no reason to get a iPhone 16 anything phone unless you are coming from a 12 or older.
 
Apple's marketing has been disgusting and a bit dishonest as far as I'm concerned for the 16. In the UK I've seen advertising posters in phone shops for the 16 with the new siri glow around the edges with Apple Intelligence written all over it. But being in the UK we won't officially be getting it until sometime in December, 3 months after the damn phone has been released and that's if they don't delay it even further!

So if I was not a tech person watching keynotes or even running betas and just wanted the new phone expecting Apple Intelligence I would be seriously unhappy right now. Apple's software team needs a kick up the ass as they are falling way behind the hardware team.

Are they? I've never seen a difference when displays were upgraded from LCD to OLED. Don't see a difference in 60Hz, 90Hz or 120Hz. Don't see a difference in added pixels. Only time I saw a difference was with the higher res on the iPad3 and iPhone4.

I don't see the difference. And neither do any of my friends and family. Nor colleagues.

Then some need better eyes because the difference between LCD and OLED is enormous, significantly better blacks as the pixels are off, much better viewing angles, more vivid colours and a faster screen response time. Going from 60hz to even 90hz, let alone 120hz+ is also huge as it's noticeably smoother, going from 120hz to 60hz just feels stuttery and slow once you've been used to 120hz+ screens for many years.
 
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Tim Cook needs to go.

What are you going to do if he is replaced with someone who wants to double services revenue, doesn't give a rats behind about hardware, and wants to cut R&D costs in half?

Cook was picked by Jobs; the next CEO won't be. Careful what you wish for.
 
Because it’s integrated into the core of the operating system. That you “cannot for a moment” see why teens or anyone else would upgrade is not on apple to convince you.

We will all see where this goes.

I'm not asking Apple to convince me of anything! I am merely expressing my own opinion. Who knows, it may encourage tens of millions more to buy iPhones etc. or it may be about as successful as the lamentable Siri.

For my own opinion, Apple is desperately late to the AI party (humiliatingly so, really, for a forward-thinking giant) and whilst Apple Intelligence may be a welcome benefit for those already within the ecosystem, personally I do not think it will draw significant numbers of non-Apple users in. No doubt you disagree. That's fine! My interest is largely academic in any case.
 
I'm not asking Apple to convince me of anything! I am merely expressing my own opinion. Who knows, it may encourage tens of millions more to buy iPhones etc. or it may be about as successful as the lamentable Siri.

For my own opinion, Apple is desperately late to the AI party (humiliatingly so, really, for a forward-thinking giant) and whilst Apple Intelligence may be a welcome benefit for those already within the ecosystem, personally I do not think it will draw significant numbers of non-Apple users in. No doubt you disagree. That's fine! My interest is largely academic in any case.
I do not see apple being behind as I do not see AI at this point being so integrated into any vendors ecosystem in such a way that more than a curiosity. I’m hoping that is not the case with apple. Of course that is my opinion, ymmv.
 
I'm just sceptical Apple haven't even got Siri / Amazon haven't got Alexa to a place where it understands my voice, let alone produce anything smart.

Apple Intelligence is a knee jerk panic reaction to ChatGPT which other than the adhoc work use (if you sit at a desk) even that hubbub has peaked.

The thing is, I think we’re all ready to use our phones LESS….not more for more things.m

16 is still a fantastic phone, but it’s not really perceivable better than 15…or 14…..perhaps 13, not 13 Peo Max.
 
Using common sense it’s not hard to see the iPhone 16 line up isn’t selling well. It doesn’t offer anything special. And the thing that would set it apart I only hear complaints about.

Saying that mobile phones plateaud and there isn’t much Apple can do to make it better makes me laugh.

How about some decent RAM, 120 hz screen refresh, better cameras.

All the areas Apple was king has been lost to competitors. I really like to see their financial sheets 31 October. China is the place where people are more technically interested and want the latest and greatest. If Apple loses marketshare in China, the rest of the world will follow.

No cap 😎
 
Using common sense it’s not hard to see the iPhone 16 line up isn’t selling well.
Citation. Although I don’t think one will be provided.
It doesn’t offer anything special. And the thing that would set it apart I only hear complaints about.
Subjective and anecdotal.
Saying that mobile phones plateaud and there isn’t much Apple can do to make it better makes me laugh.

How about some decent RAM, 120 hz screen refresh, better cameras.

All the areas Apple was king has been lost to competitors.
Incorrect. Unless you are looking at a spec sheet without any other context.
I really like to see their financial sheets 31 October. China is the place where people are more technically interested and want the latest and greatest. If Apple loses marketshare in China, the rest of the world will follow.
We will find out soon enough.
 
Citation. Although I don’t think one will be provided.

Subjective and anecdotal.

Incorrect. Unless you are looking at a spec sheet without any other context.

We will find out soon enough.

You’re actually right about all your observations here. But I pers have never seen Apple getting THIS much flack from the “home crowd” without actually making something that doesn’t work or that breaks.

I’m calling Innovators Dilemma, but a weird one. Because they are trying to innovate with the vision. But nobody really wants that. And my wager is, “nobody” ever really will. They innovated with the first iPhone, but EVERYONE already wanted that. Everyone was ready. And vision is Apple’s Meataverse. Sinking too much money and resources into a DOA (consumer). And they neglect the iPhone. And fans are well…offended? Disappointed at least. This year’s iPhone isn’t even a 15S. It’s a 15SS. Perhaps even a 14SS….
 
Apple need to get out of the pattern of releasing hardware and telling its customers that the software isn’t ready and will follow in a few months. The 16 launch was all about AI, yet many of us have had our iPhones for a few weeks now and it’s this weird period of waiting for it. Launch it in one go and live up to expectations I say. They’ve got the money and resources as so many of their more avid fans like to tell us, so let’s have a complete launch.
 
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