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A lot of people crapping on the idea here, but the fact is you know they're gonna keep making thicker phones with maxed out batteries as they have for many years now.
Except, I don’t think Apple does. Screen size has been the push.

Apple Watch has always been a day typical use with smaller batteries over time.

iPhone has long had that day charge day 1 mantra.

And, I think that’s been by design. Battery cycles wear use down, then in two or three years people are looking for a new phone, with number one complaint being lack of battery life.
 
My 11” M1 iPad Air can easily last a day and then some without a need to recharge, even when tethered to my iPhone for the internet.
Literally how? Ill sit outside with my brand new mini for an hour or two and lose like 35%. My M4 Pro 13" I lose like 10-20% an hour depending on my workload.

Then again I am a heavy user:
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lol this is crazy making a battery case for a super thin phone so it lasts all day yet makes it thick again 🤣
It takes a lot of courage to make it thin and also requires it to be as thick as the regular models just to last all day. Apple going back to the Ive days of form over function. People want more battery, not less.
 
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Literally how? Ill sit outside with my brand new mini for an hour or two and lose like 35%. My M4 Pro 13" I lose like 10-20% an hour depending on my workload.

Then again I am a heavy user:
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I use my iPad for about 2-5 hours a day, that is how. 😉 However, yours is a mini (smaller battery) and if you use it outside the screen brightness is probably maxed up.
 
Came here to say this. The mini sold something like 12% of market share in 2021, and everyone screamed that it didn’t move enough volume to justify continuing. But somehow, they already know this 17 Air will only make up 10% of sales and it was greenlit anyway.

Exactly. When “they” said the mini didn’t sell, what they meant was it didn’t sell well relative to other models.

However it still sold tens of millions of units. How can that alone not warrant a mini line?

Not every model can be the best seller. In fact only one can be.
 
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LOL.

Can't wait for the time when they try to sell us a $1,000 dollar 2mm display only iPhone only to sell us the rest of it in a bulky 5mm accessory for another $1,000+. That would be innovation.
 
I already hate having to charge every day, I can’t think of recharging multiple times during the day…..
Also charging multiple times would make the battery last less having to be replaced sooner.

Ev …I don’t know or understand your analogy, no one is forcing you to read this post, but still that didn’t stop you complaining about those post, …the irony.
The EV analogy is perfectly sound. Batteries are heavy. More batteries equal more weight. You always have to strike a balance between how much capacity you want to add and at what cost to your bottom line and the footprint of your product.

With an EV, you can have a BIG honking battery that will give you a lot of range, but it will make the vehicle larger, heavier, and cost much more to produce.

The same goes for a smartphone. You can have a bigger battery, but it will cost you in weight and thickness.

I agree with your post except for the EV comment. Most americans don't live in a single family home, and therefore are at the mercy of their apartment complex/condo association to provide EV charging, which almost none do and the few that do have like 1-2 for 1000 residents. This means you have to go to a public charger and sit for 30-40 minutes every few days which is definitely a "hell no" from me.

In addition the 250 miles range is an absolute lie. The second its freezing out, cut the number in half and just a few years of driving will further make that number go to hell. Oh and if you tow occasionally like me that number goes to like 20-30 miles.

I owned a Chevy Volt and I think it is by far the most practical approach. The electric motors do all of the work for 50+ miles then a constant speed gas generator kicks on once you run out of juice.

People living in an apartment/condo will have to purchase what's best for them, but the vast majority of people who buy EVs are doing so with access to either more affordable or free charging at work and their regular utility rates at home. For example, I charge our Model 3 and Model Y at home for around 12 cents per kWh. If I charge at a Tesla Supercharger, I'm paying 35c to 47c per kWh. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't have an EV if I lived in an apartment and had to rely SOLELY on public charging at 3x to 4x the rate of my home utility.

As to your comments on the cold weather range. My Model 3 is rated for 341 miles. I get close to that in the spring/summer/fall. In the winter, that range drops to around 280 to 300. It's not a 1/2 reduction. GM's battery management in the Bolt is crap, so no wonder it sucks in the winter. :D

But back on topic. I'm just glad that Apple is doing something different with the iPhone 17 Air. People are always here complaining year after year that Apple keeps putting out the same thing year after year -- just the same boring stuff. Then Apple does something outside the norm, it still isn't enough. Apple will give us a broad range of iPhones to choose from this year, so we'll all be able to eat, drink, and be merry 🍻
 
Not sure why this is news, Apple has released a battery case for nearly every phone for the past 5 years. Why would the air be different.

That being said I will still buy this, and no I dont ever use cases nor do I ever plan to. I am near a charger 99.5% of my day.
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Anyone remember the days when you could get a week or more of battery life from a phone
Do you mean the phones you could make calls and at the very best send a text or play a snake game? Cause if that’s what you mean, you’re comparing apples to oranges
 
My issue here is that you are sacrificing both better cameras and battery life.

I’d be okay with worse battery life if it had pro cameras.

But worse battery life and a single camera, and maybe worse performance?

I was hoping that they could at least keep something constant here.
 
I am an annual iPhone renewal person. If the iPhone Air has terrible battery life, I may lean toward the Pro. The issue I have, if tariff raises iPhone prices really high, this will be a none renewal year...
 
Exactly. When “they” said the mini didn’t sell, what they meant was it didn’t sell well relative to other models.

However it still sold tens of millions of units. How can that alone not warrant a mini line?

Not every model can be the best seller. In fact only one can be.
There isn’t even an Android phone mini, which tells me the market for that screen size is pretty much in your imagination… 😉
 
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