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Makes sense if you read what the person I replied to said. They talked about having their calculator App open on the same screen as something else (multi-windowing).

Running multiple processes concurrently is the real definition of multitasking.
Yes, so many people claim the iPhone cannot multitask and don't know what they are talking about, they mean multi-windowing.

I've tried this on Android and it's pointless on a slab phone. The screen isn't big enough to make this worthwhile. It'll come with the iPhone Fold next year I'm sure when you open it up.
 
This was good for me to read and realize. When reading about processor heavy tasks "gaming, video editing, and running large local language models", I don't do any of that stuff (other than Solitaire and I don't think that counts lol).
 
iPhones have been able to multitask for years.

You can run 4 audio production Apps in real-time (for example a MIDI keyboard App, Audiobus, effects App and a DAW) on a 10 year old iPhone 6S.

You STILL can’t properly do that on the latest Android phones.

Yes this is a niche use-case, but your claim about multitasking is false.
That's cute but you still can't download Netflix shows for offline watching if its out of focus. Same goes for Spotify and pretty much any other non Apple app that provides offline content.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_4

You missed it, it happened 2010 so like 15 years ago...
see above message

Starting an app starts a process though, so I don't understand what you're saying here, with all due respect.
iOS has conditioned you to adapt. Some people want to download / sync media while that app is not in focus. If its a large file or if you're on a slow connection you pretty much can't use your phone until its done.

What 100% of iPhones owners who want multitasking are asking for, is Apple to take what already exists on iPadOS and transition it downwards.
Its like when auto makers entertained subscription based features like heated seats. The hardware is fully capable but Apple shakes you down for more money to achieve this with iPadOS lol
 
Yes, so many people claim the iPhone cannot multitask and don't know what they are talking about, they mean multi-windowing.

I've tried this on Android and it's pointless on a slab phone. The screen isn't big enough to make this worthwhile. It'll come with the iPhone Fold next year I'm sure when you open it up.
That is this point I'm always trying to drive with fanboys. Just because you don't see the value in a feature doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. I'm not talking about multi-windowing (which is great) I'm talking about true background tasks like syncing and downloading without the app being in focus.

I use both platforms daily and have pros/cons of both but these A chips are under utilized despite what the benchmarks say.
 
That's cute but you still can't download Netflix shows for offline watching if its out of focus. Same goes for Spotify and pretty much any other non Apple app that provides offline content.
I don't seem to have an issue with that myself, I don't use Spotify but others I do have worked fine.

Ultimately Apple has an API for this, the OS provides it. Some apps might not implement it but that's not Apple's fault.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/Foundation/downloading-files-in-the-background

It's not going to do it if you are one of those folks that force quits all your apps on the multitasking view just because you like it clean. I see plenty of people both do that and then complain that X, Y, Z doesn't work. Well it won't work when you explicitly tell the OS to kill the app.
iOS has conditioned you to adapt. Some people want to download / sync media while that app is not in focus. If it's a large file or if you're on a slow connection you pretty much can't use your phone until it's done.
See above, OS supports this just fine. App developers might not write their apps properly to support it though but cannot blame the OS or Apple for that.
 
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Makes sense if you read what the person I replied to said. They talked about having their calculator App open on the same screen as something else (multi-windowing).

Running multiple processes concurrently is the real definition of multitasking.
Understood. So, they must've been talking about only running the calculator app and that is it then. Because if they were running the calculator app and another app at the same time on the same screen, at least two processes are running in the background for those apps, which would mean they were multitasking.
 
Considering the A19 is the likely basis for the upcoming M5 chip in Macs the boost in graphics performance is both promising and impressive.
Since Apple no longer supports discrete GPUs in any capacity, considerable improvements to its GPU architecture are indeed a promising development.
 
The GPU performance is impressive. I want to know what the embedded NPU components in the GPU cores does to ML and AI performance overall. Nvidia is still murdering Apple when it comes to this and it makes a big difference in things like video production where you want to upscale or use a magic mask/depth mapping tool among many other effects. A PC with an RTX 5070 is 2-4x faster than an M4 Max at these tasks. Which can be frustrating because Apple Silicon makes for a superior video editing experience in almost every other way. If these new GPU cores close that gap then the M5 Pro/Max will be very interesting indeed.

Also, someone tell me why an iPhone with an A19 Pro and 12GB of RAM can’t be the tethered ‘brain’ of a Vision (non-pro) headset where the only processing needed in the headset is the motion tracking chip?
 
That's a RAM issue, not a multitasking issue. Hoping the move to 12GB of RAM will help here but also depends which phone you have currently and how much RAM they have. Also depends what app you flick to, if it's a game say then likely it might well need a lot of RAM so pushes the tabs out of memory. If it's say messages, email or whatever then the tabs on the current ones with 8GB RAM likely will still be in RAM.

But either way it's a RAM issue, 12GB is a big jump from 8GB. I do expect at some point they'll have a LLM that's always loaded and eating into that RAM though.
Its not even a RAM issue, this has been an issue on every iPhone I've had even back when we only had 2GB to work with. I'd love to know the technical reason behind it, I couldn't even get an answer within when I worked at Apple for 7 years. Use the phone storage as swap memory so apps can resume from their last state vs reload. They just want to enforce maximum power savings.

On my s24u while it comes with 12GB of ram, I have RAM Plus enabled to use 8 GB of phone storage which gives you 20GB of RAM in theory. Nothing ever has to reload or refresh besides Twitter if I'm gone long enough.
 
That is this point I'm always trying to drive with fanboys. Just because you don't see the value in a feature doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. I'm not talking about multi-windowing (which is great) I'm talking about true background tasks like syncing and downloading without the app being in focus.

I use both platforms daily and have pros/cons of both but these A chips are under utilized despite what the benchmarks say.
I have apps on my phone that download content and sync while I'm not using the app. Perhaps its an App problem you are seeing and not an iOS problem?
 
I don't seem to have an issue with that myself, I don't use Spotify but others I do have worked fine.

Ultimately Apple has an API for this, the OS provides it. Some apps might not implement it but that's not Apple's fault.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/Foundation/downloading-files-in-the-background

It's not going to do it if you are one of those folks that force quits all your apps on the multitasking view just because you like it clean. I see plenty of people both do that and then complain that X, Y, Z doesn't work. Well it won't work when you explicitly tell the OS to kill the app.

See above, OS supports this just fine. App developers might not write their apps properly to support it though but cannot blame the OS or Apple for that.
Did you even read what you linked? Even with the API its limited and not going to work for playlist/album downloads.

Use background sessions efficiently

"When the system resumes or relaunches your app, it uses a rate limiter to prevent abuse of background downloads. When your app starts a new download task while in the background, the task doesn’t begin until the delay expires. The delay increases each time the system resumes or relaunches your app.

As a result, if your app starts a single background download, gets resumed when the download completes, and then starts a new download, it will greatly increase the delay."
 
Yes, so many people claim the iPhone cannot multitask and don't know what they are talking about, they mean multi-windowing.

I've tried this on Android and it's pointless on a slab phone. The screen isn't big enough to make this worthwhile. It'll come with the iPhone Fold next year I'm sure when you open it up.

Remember when split screen came out? And it was such a great feature?

Let’s slag Apple for not having giant screen iPhones and you can’t get work done on such a small screen. Then we’ll take our phone and split the screen in half with both halves much smaller than an iPhone screen and it’ll be super-productive. 🙄
 
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Good to see the yearly improvements. The new chips are very powerful. Think it will be matching the speeds of older M series chip. Don't think the full power of the chips will be used by most users.
If these benchmarks are accurate, it matches an M2 in multicore and in line with the M4 for single core. So these are some pretty beefy chips!
 
Faster CPUs and GPUs allow developers to create new Apps with advanced features that weren’t possible before. It’s been this way since…forever.

Gaming is the obvious market, but power also helps with photo/video (which are very common uses on a smartphone).
This. And stronger chips facilitate smoother operation across the board. Computer operation is not just about what works, it is also about how well it works in all kinds of tiny regards.
 
Hey now complaining and criticisms has gotten us far lol. If it wasn't for us loud mouths many of you wouldn't have the advances we have today.
We will agree to disagree.

Reality is, Apple isn’t targeting the majority of the people on this board when they release a product. People buying their products don’t really care about that “behind the scenes” stuff that drives the people on this board crazy.

Apple isn’t coming to the board to determine what features/upgrades need to be included in their next release. People on this board make up a small % of Apple customers and 100 fanatics saying “we need xyz on the next iPhone” isn’t driving the decisions of Apple.
 
Did you even read what you linked? Even with the API its limited and not going to work for playlist/album downloads.

Use background sessions efficiently

"When the system resumes or relaunches your app, it uses a rate limiter to prevent abuse of background downloads. When your app starts a new download task while in the background, the task doesn’t begin until the delay expires. The delay increases each time the system resumes or relaunches your app.

As a result, if your app starts a single background download, gets resumed when the download completes, and then starts a new download, it will greatly increase the delay."
I'm aware of how it works, the rate limiter is to stop excessive abuse as it mentions. There's no issues downloading a season of a TV Show which might be 10 or even 20 odd episodes in my experience. A music album hence should be no different really.

The app should schedule all the downloads in a single go and then the OS will handle downloading them efficiently for you.

You made a claim that iOS couldn't do this, I'm pointing out with an article that it can. Now your argument is about delays but you haven't yet admitted that you are wrong and the OS supports this functionality. Your demand for Apple to add something they already added a long time ago is kind of pointless.
 
We will agree to disagree.

Reality is, Apple isn’t targeting the majority of the people on this board when they release a product. People buying their products don’t really care about that “behind the scenes” stuff that drives the people on this board crazy.

Apple isn’t coming to the board to determine what features/upgrades need to be included in their next release. People on this board make up a small % of Apple customers and 100 fanatics saying “we need xyz on the next iPhone” isn’t driving the decisions of Apple.
Yes exactly this, Apple targets the mainstream and where it's a power user kind of feature, do it in a smart and intelligent way. I love the way they've implemented a lot of things over the years. Is it all perfect? Of course not but when they add something they are always thinking about the power usage, the privacy and so on it feels. I like that and many others do which is why we buy them.

For those on the Android side that demand they need a phone that must be able to run 10 x 48 x 48 pixel window apps on their phone at the same time, while downloading torrents, while playing Pokemon, while watching 4 TV Shows at the same time... Well there's obviously Android for you. You've found what you need so cool, stick with it but Apple is never going to make a phone for you so stop whining about it and even if they did, we all know you wouldn't buy it anyway.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm waiting on 2 nanometer. My iPhone 16 PM still allegedly has 100% battery life remaining... first time ever 1 year after purchase I'm still at 100%.
 
M5 could be the turning point for M3 owners.
I just bought my first Mac since 2009, an M4 Max Studio, in April... Seeing the gains Apple has with the GPU here has me thinking about giving it to my partner when the M5 Max comes out and upgrading... My only real complaint about the Studio is missing my 3080 Ti's performance. Seems like the M5 Max will close that gap a good bit more. I better start saving my pennies now...
 
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