I have a Galaxy S24 Ultra, a Pixel 9 Fold and a 16 PM. They are correct. Ask me for specifics I'm not OP
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iPhone 17 Pro Rumored to Stick With 'Triangular' Camera Design
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i remember people dont like it at first rumor and now its a symbol xàxàxà!
i believe if they change it, it will be the same story.
People keep chanting this refrain, and I just don't see that happening. At least not for the next 4 years while Trump is in charge.
As for what's going on outside, I can only say that I have little interest in what is being offered, and what those android smartphones are offering don't really appeal to me. Maybe you could try educating me, an Apple user who is pretty much all-in, why I should consider tossing in my 13 Pro Max and getting an Android device.
The latest example of what I appreciate about Apple is the news of them working on their own in-house modem design (which really is an open secret at this point). Things like this don't grab headlines like folding phones do, but if Apple succeeds, they will eventually have a single system-on-a-chip that is capable of providing significant power efficiency and power management benefits, especially for wearables and the rumoured cellular Macs.
Together with Apple's satellite technology and the idea of Apple devices communicating with each other (eg: the way AirTags currently do), what this potentially means is that in the long run, we are not going to have to think about which Apple products have cellular connectivity; they all will.
That's what I like about Apple and their willingness to invest in developing their own in-house technology to reduce their dependencies on external vendors (like Apple Silicon and all the custom chips powering their smartwatches and headphones), and to enable the unique experiences their products do provide. This is especially poignant because Qualcomm has proven to be a troublesome partner in the past, and the sooner Apple can gain more leverage in this relationship, the better. You don't really see much of this with the other Android OEMs, who are typically content to use whatever is available off the shelves. I don't blame these Android manufacturers (who often lack the scale and the resources to make this work), but at the same time, that's why their offerings don't really resonate with me a large part of the time.
Like there probably are PCs which let you insert a SIM card to access the internet outdoors, and we don't really hear anything about them these days, and you wonder why. Android wear is a thing, and Fossil just bowed out of the race, and again, you don't really see or hear much enthusiasm in this space. Day in and day out, we hear reports of how crash / fall detection on iOS devices have saved lives, yet we don't see reports about Android devices fulfilling similar functions, despite possessing similar functionality on paper.
At Apple product events, the takeaways often end up being related more to how Apple is setting the stage for the future. Certain announcements and features make much more sense when thinking about what Apple will likely unveil in the following years (like spatial intelligence eventually coming to the Vision Pro). When it comes to companies like Samsung, it's the opposite for me. I just don't see any coherent vision when it comes to the future, and I am not convinced that they have any.
Samsung shifts executives to six-day workweeks to “inject a sense of crisis”
This comes amid increased competition and economic concerns.
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I think this is all well-considered. I recently traded a 13 PM backup for an S24 ultra. But I have a 16 PM and a Google Pixel device to thoroughly compare and contrast the relative merits of both platforms. As a longtime Apple enthusiast this trade was, in part, due to my malaise over the direction the company is heading with software and hardware in the mobile space. M-series Macs are amazing, best of breed and unstoppable. But on the mobile side Apple seems to be resting on past successes and accomplishments as evidenced by their misguided camera control (don't call it a button) and their fairly tonedeaf stumble into AI. I'll say that the Galaxy is both faster and more stable in daily use when, compared to the Pixel and iPhone. It's well-considered from a design standpoint. It also gives me something I desperately want from Apple- a stylus for my phone.People keep chanting this refrain, and I just don't see that happening. At least not for the next 4 years while Trump is in charge.
As for what's going on outside, I can only say that I have little interest in what is being offered, and what those android smartphones are offering don't really appeal to me. Maybe you could try educating me, an Apple user who is pretty much all-in, why I should consider tossing in my 13 Pro Max and getting an Android device.
The latest example of what I appreciate about Apple is the news of them working on their own in-house modem design (which really is an open secret at this point). Things like this don't grab headlines like folding phones do, but if Apple succeeds, they will eventually have a single system-on-a-chip that is capable of providing significant power efficiency and power management benefits, especially for wearables and the rumoured cellular Macs.
Together with Apple's satellite technology and the idea of Apple devices communicating with each other (eg: the way AirTags currently do), what this potentially means is that in the long run, we are not going to have to think about which Apple products have cellular connectivity; they all will.
That's what I like about Apple and their willingness to invest in developing their own in-house technology to reduce their dependencies on external vendors (like Apple Silicon and all the custom chips powering their smartwatches and headphones), and to enable the unique experiences their products do provide. This is especially poignant because Qualcomm has proven to be a troublesome partner in the past, and the sooner Apple can gain more leverage in this relationship, the better. You don't really see much of this with the other Android OEMs, who are typically content to use whatever is available off the shelves. I don't blame these Android manufacturers (who often lack the scale and the resources to make this work), but at the same time, that's why their offerings don't really resonate with me a large part of the time.
Like there probably are PCs which let you insert a SIM card to access the internet outdoors, and we don't really hear anything about them these days, and you wonder why. Android wear is a thing, and Fossil just bowed out of the race, and again, you don't really see or hear much enthusiasm in this space. Day in and day out, we hear reports of how crash / fall detection on iOS devices have saved lives, yet we don't see reports about Android devices fulfilling similar functions, despite possessing similar functionality on paper.
At Apple product events, the takeaways often end up being related more to how Apple is setting the stage for the future. Certain announcements and features make much more sense when thinking about what Apple will likely unveil in the following years (like spatial intelligence eventually coming to the Vision Pro). When it comes to companies like Samsung, it's the opposite for me. I just don't see any coherent vision when it comes to the future, and I am not convinced that they have any.
Samsung shifts executives to six-day workweeks to “inject a sense of crisis”
This comes amid increased competition and economic concerns.
For Apple product events it's stretching further out from just around the corner to aspirational tech demo and that should trouble us, especially the disastrous Apple Intelligence rollout. Apple used to have secret sauce of making the whole widget, bringing the best hardware and software together and integrating both in a magical way. These days I wonder how much those teams actually talk outside of being forced into a room to make a camera button that is so finicky it needs a software fix to account for accidental triggers. Tim gets a lot of flack, some of it unwarranted and some of it valid. The less said there the better I think. I think Apple is squandering their lead basically. And I've never found their watch appealing because it's for casual usage, and fails to provide hard stats like my Garmin and Suunto watches. They officially "support" all sorts of activities but like everything the watch does the implementation is broad but shallow. It's as if Apple feels they have nothing to learn or look at from their competitors because for so long charting their own, insular course was the best path. That is no longer the case. I look at my Vision Pro and shake my head. I want to do so much more but it too is seemingly incapable only because Apple unevenly drips new features- otherwise it exists in a state of semi-neglect. Will it ever get Apple Intelligence or do I have to buy the new model for that? Meanwhile Google has prototype hardware they worked with Samsung on that does what I had hoped my AVP would do by now. But Apple has a bad relationship with developers and has weaponized the platform - all while saying it's in my best interest. It's even worse in places with side loading where they use notarization as a weapon to keep the apps they don't like out of play. All of this, broadly, is a byproduct of the very success Apple worked so hard to earn and ultimately they only have themselves to blame for a lukewarm developer response to their new platform and regulatory scrutiny they could have headed off had they not been quite so greedy. Apple could have made changes to stem the regulatory stuff, but now their hand will be forced. They could have driven hard to keep innovating but through a strange and mysterious corporate structure, they largely haven't done anything with the iPhone since the 11, and got caught out, without a coherent story and vision for Apple Intelligence as an also ran, because they chose to somehow spend tens of billions (!) on a car project. I blame that for AVP being released too soon when it needed a few more years in the oven.
All of this to say that Android is doing a lot of things right, from actionable notifications that aren't annoying, to app sizes that aren't ballooning like crazy, coupled with stability and interesting features that aren't gated behind annual release cycles to juice the sales of new hardware. I came away from Google's Android XR announcement impressed with what was capable even at an early stage, and while some call that vaporware I bet they can and will put out largely what was shown with as much or more functionality. Meanwhile Apple does a bait and switch advertising Siri, and changing the way it looks while it largely remains the same under the hood- for now. And THAT should never have been allowed because it tanks what little good will was still left in their assistant. I'll continue to hope for the best but I see claims of how Android sucks or is a crashy mess and I think it's a very misguided and out-of-date take that isn't congruent with the reality of the situation. That said if all you know is an iPhone, how would you know otherwise? Certainly not from an Apple- centric forum where people stan their brand preference
Ok. So we are in the space of, it is. It isn't. It is. It isn't. Totally subjective. Got it. For me Apple devices are better than Android.
First off, thank you for taking the time you did to craft your response. I don't see enough of that around here and I feel that discourse could benefit from more well-reasoned replies, not just snarky one-liners (which I admit that I am not above, but I try my best).
I won't deny your experiences with android devices outside of the Apple ecosystem, but I thought I would also like to share my own perspective, which I have gone some lengths to detail in another thread.
Like when I highlight the apps which I use and that aren't available on Android, people just gloss over this and don't respond to it. Their arguments seem to largely revolve around hardware superiority (on paper at least, I remember back when the A7 chip was initially launched to much derision because it "only" had 2 cores, yet turned to be faster and more efficient than Qualcomm chips possessing more ram and cores), and not enough about how they work together (like the ability to make calls on my Mac via continuity).
Another funny incident that happened in June - teachers had to help record their students giving a presentation in class, and the microphones the school purchased earlier recently had its android app pulled from the google play store. So the other people who could access the app that linked to the microphone were those using iPhones or still had the app installed from earlier years.
This is the app. Those with android phones are welcome to try searching it for it on their end as well. 😬
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What can I say? I like my Apple Watch, I like my AirPods, my iPad is possibly my most used product, my M1 MBA is still going strong (typing this response on said device as we speak), I have Apple TVs strewn over my house and workplace, and the screen of my 5k iMac remains gorgeous, even though it only receives security updates.
At the same time, articles like this may mean that Apple TVs get even more crucial and again, it's just easier to manage an Apple TV when you already own an iPhone.
Buying a TV in 2025? Expect lower prices, more ads, and an OS war.
“I do fear that the pressure to make better TVs will be lost…”…
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At the same time, people decry a Chrome hegemony, yet recommend that users switch to Android, which is owned by the same parent company which makes said browser. They complain about an Apple monopoly, and the solution is to apparently prop up another monopoly, it seems.
The point I am also trying to make is that product success is not binary. I upgrade my phones every 4 years now, and I am not going to run out and buy a new device every time some shiny new feature hits the market. My next phone in 2025 will likely still be an iPhone, and frankly, my 13 PM is still going strong precisely because of the whole ecosystem.
For me, this integration matters more than a better camera or a folding screen or this or that. Does this make it "fair" to the likes of Samsung or Huawei? It's "fair" in the sense that buyers are not rational by nature (not me, and not even you), we are each free to make purchasing decisions that need to make sense only to us (as opposed to a company who needs to justify their buying decisions on a spreadsheet) and from what I can see, Apple seems like the only company willing to invest in having their own ecosystem in the first place.
Yes, in your opinion. There has been more in my opinion.
The iphone 5s, iphone 6 and iphone 7 and iphone 14. They each had a significant technical or user improvement design leap.
Disagree.
Disagree.
So all of the Apple customers who have bought iphones have been milked? Are you sure about that? Have you discussed with a randomized group of consumers?
And different materials as well, thinner bezels, better battery life, better screens, etc.
What android phone makers do, is not evolution either.
Apple customers probably disagree with you.
While I admit a certain excitement when purchasing a new iphone, there is not a phone out there on the cutting edge of technology. But there are phones out there that do things excellently. And they come from Apple.
Like Android? 6 years of updates isn't enough for you?
You don't have to like anything about Apple, but it's financials tell a different story. Thanks to Tim "Defibrillator" Cook.
Yeah, yeah.
Great quote. Nothing to do with Apple or any handset running android.
This seems more like it. It should have a titanium frame also. Camera island may be aluminum like iPad Pro with the rest of the back of iPhone being glass
Thanks! I couldn’t have said it any better. Apple today is relying on assumptions of the past. Its relying on its brandname. It is scrambling on all fronts and has become an expensive tech follower. I can honestly say they’re about two years behind of what’s available from competitors these days. Sure their M-chips are great but for how long? They’ve lost the speedcrown in mobile already and their software is a mess. 2025 will be an interesting year.
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would you say that is an objective fact or a subjective opinion?
After the iMac "chin", here we get the iPhone "forehead". I guess it's better than the stupid notch.
The weight distribution should be even to (or at least more than the all back glass is), which explains the switch in material on the back.
I have been hearing these "Apple is doomed" refrains ever since I bought my first apple product in 2011. It's always "next year this" or "next year that". Don't you all have anything new to say?
Are you referring to Apple products? You’re right, same products year after year after year with minimal to no changes 😂🤣😂
Are you referring to Apple products? You’re right, same products year after year after year with minimal to no changes
Your point being?
My point is that the “new” iPhone 16 Pro is another joke and all the rumors here are about how “great” next years iPhone will be. This is happening year after year since iPhone 11. And what have we got? Same iPhone as the year before this year, the year before that year, the year before that year, etc.Your point being?
Some say the mobile phones have plateaued. That is surely true about the iPhone. Want real innovation, look elsewhere 😊
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If you sell off all of your computing devices, you'll basically be off the world. Otherwise, we can put your name on Elon's list for when he's ready for the list of first volunteers going to Mars. We'll let you know as that time draws near.
That's right; at some point, it comes down to the physics of light itself.
I'm thinking of getting an iPhone 16 this weekend, and my motivation is not AI. It's the quality of the camera over my iPhone 12 Pro Max.
Are you sure that it's not you doing the wobbling?
I'm a leaker too! I can confirm that iPhone 17 will have a screen!
It's possible that you have vertigo. There is a percentage of people who have it, and they've never even been on a ladder.
If you have finger grease to THAT extent, then maybe you should wash your hands more often.
My iPhone 12 doesn't wobble at all. Maybe your table is lopsided? Maybe you live on a hill? Or in an apartment building that is tipping? We're problem solvers here; I'm sure we can figure it out together.
Sheesh, who needs to move cameras? Just turn the phone 90 degrees!
I want one of those. And I want it to be able to float beside me as I go through my day; kind of like a floating BB8 droid.
A lot of people are using the iPhone for real art-quality photos. And it's been many generations now that you can make high quality video with it too.
Your posts always make me think and re-think my own premises.You're asking apple to spend 18¢ more per unit for added aluminum when "thinner" is about subtraction (of cost-per-unit) to Apple.
Why not just original MBair "wedge" shape it with thickened end of wedge housing flush cameras and thinner end of the wedge the one spun for "thinner" messaging purposes?
Someone else suggested a similar idea with both ends getting thicker to address the "wobble" problem but "thinner" in the middle. Instead of the P shape your profile shows, it would be like an I shape minus the left bits of the horitontal bars beyond the vertical line. That concept doesn't wobble either, flushes the camera and lets marketing spin "thinner" (by emphasizing the middle"... much like how MBs and iMacs had the thin edges but then thickened in the middle some years ago, and marketing focused on the thin edges vs. the fatter middle). However, that concept might add 31¢ to each unit, so absolutely NOT.
My guess at modern Apple thinking: JETTISON the camera to an add-on case so they can spin a much thinner iPhone "at same great price" and rake in much more money when people pay more to add the camera back to the phone via that Apple case "you need anyway." This would simply be another variation of jettisoning the 3.5mm jack and selling the dongle, jettisoning the free wired buds and selling "the future" for $16X or more, jettisoning the SIM card but having e-SIM only available at the pricier carriers who support iPhone marketing, etc.
Maybe make this camera case with a proprietary connector so that third parties can't easily make compatible camera cases priced lower without paying Apple a fat licensing fee? Maybe have base, pro and max camera cases to really jack the "essential" add-on revenue. Yes, I'm somewhat joking, but of the 4 concepts, which seems more like modern Apple Inc? 💰💰💰
Bonus: while they are at it, jettison the battery to the case too to absolutely make the case add-on essential while significantly thinning the iPhone at "same great price." Now everyone HAS to pay way up for the case add-on and base, pro & max (cases) can spin various levels of battery life options too. "We think you'll love it!" 💰💰💰
Your post above made me remember that here have been many articles promoting a "modular" phone design, where a customer could assemble their own phone out of modules that would be compatible with each other. One person could choose between 2 or 3 camera modules based on their needs. Another person might want a stronger flashlight module and a bigger battery module. Yet somebody else decides to get the bigger screen with a flip-out keyboard.
Intriguing. And a little bit terrifying too, lol!
I don't mind this design, and in fact, my first Motorola "Droid" design was like that. But those sharp 90 degree edges should be chamfered or rounded, otherwise we're going to be scratching up everything else in our pockets, especially if one of those things is the work-iphone.
Oh, and ... your camera still sticks out. Look at the side view. If you're going to make the body of the phone thicker at the camera lenses, you might want to make sure there's no additional "camera bulge".
Your point is very good. I enjoy having an iPhone, but because it's environmentally damaging to manufacture a new iPhone, I only get one every 3 or 4 versions. And I try to put the old ones to good use, like as a remote control or a wi-fi connected web browser.
I'm hoping to one day source some kind of a camera rig to allow me to use multiple old iPhones to be able to take multi-angle video in all directions while driving in my car. I just have too many other things going on at the moment to make that happen.