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cycomiko said:
Its a budget phone

Why would they put in the same camera as a much more expensive phone?

Hey, I mentioned iPhone Air just as example how I see how should look camera in 17e for having 1 lens but almost as good as in Pro, with sensor stabilization which is great for 2x crop.

As for comparison in line up, I would omit iPhone Air, becuase its so strange phone (there is only 1 camera not because its expensive, but because its thin, to put bigger battery which is still tiny) and focus on regular ip and pro.
In that case, there is already a clear segregation, that best phone has 3 lenses, regular 2 and cheap 1.
So if its already worse, that 1 should be as good, especially if they’re all marketed as the same 48mpx 2 in 1 lens fusion camera. You really need to dig deep into specification to find that 17e lacks sensor stabilization which is crucial for 2x crop.

Battery size being above 4000 mah is amazing, in similar size only 17 Pro beats it, so for me that would be amazing light, pretty phone. With better camera I know I could use it for next 4 years and then pass it to someone else or keep it as a secondary device.
Thats why for me real battery capacity is much more important that those video playback times and what Apple says, if battery is big it stands for much longer. I have iPad Air 2 as a secondary device and original battery life is still unbelivable. I can use it for reading, playing board games and playing music with no issue after almost 12 years! But tiny iPhone SE altough should work similar is totally useless, extremely slow (although has newer processor) and turns off after 20 minutes, and I can see that hapening with Air and all regulars and smaller pros until 17 (maybe 16 series should be better but not enough) 🤷‍♂️
 
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A19 chips with a defective core that are deactivated for the iPhone 17 can be repurposed for the iPhone 17e. This process, known as chip binning, ensures that Apple utilizes every chip to keep costs down while still guaranteeing iPhone 17e users a smooth iOS experience.
AMD did that on some of their chips, it worked fine for them, but then the prices were lower.
 
Its a budget phone

Why would they put in the same camera as a much more expensive phone?
Not sure if I would call it budget at that price.

Budget phones are below the £200 or what ever the equivalent is in other countries., like my Motorola. The camera in my Moto is very good, but then the camera in my old Oppo which was even cheaper was amazing for a phone camera and the price of the phone.

Some people would say budget is around the £150 mark or lower.

What you mean is it a budget iPhone
 
Agreed! I'm not against eSIM but pSIM is still way too convenient and allows for quick switching between phones. My MVNO carrier charges after a couple of swaps.
Esims are fine as long as there is a choice, I can use Esim on my phone I want to. But since I already had a physical sim from my old phone, I may as well use that and i do prefer the idea of a physical sim.
 
"This is not a downgrade, as the A18 chip in the iPhone 16e also has a 4-core GPU." So it's not really an upgrade either.
How is the chip not an upgrade? Is it faster and more power efficient than the one in the 16e?

Just because the number of GPU cores didn’t change, doesn’t mean the overall chip has not been upgraded.
 
Im not convinced by the battery comparison between 17e and 17 on Apples site.

17e has 4,000 mh battery (same as 17 pro) with smaller screen and the 17 has about 3,700 mh with larger 6.3” screen, yet it states 17 has more hours in video playback/streaming etc.

I reckon in real life daily use the 17e will last longer between charges for sure, maybe even better than the 17 Pro.
 
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It depends, I'd prefer to have a choice, I haven't used a physical SIM in about 3 or 4 years, every phone we have at work is now on eSIM and switching to a new phone is easy, when I upgraded my 13 Pro to a 16 Pro, there was no fiddling around with SIM cards, iOS switched them over and activated the new one automatically, disabling the old one in the process. No PIN to remember, no digging out a PUK etc. it just worked.

And if it messes up, I just log onto my provider's portal with my account and activate a new eSIM, no waiting a couple of days for a new SIM in the post. A user left his company phone on the airplane. We remote wiped it and had a new phone set up with a new eSIM by the time he had arrived back from the airport.

What do you mean by "fiddling around". You just eject the SIM tray, and put it in the other phone.
More options are always welcome
 
VAT alone is +25%. VAT gets you to about US$750 (+US$150) on the base model iPhone 17e. (U.S. buyers pay sales tax in most states. The US$599 advertised U.S. list price excludes sales tax.) Then there’s “Reklamationsrätt,” effectively a 3 year limited warranty (2 additional years) that U.S. buyers don’t get — and less reason to purchase AppleCare+. It’s difficult to value that additional consumer protection unique to Sweden, but it’s not zero. And Sweden gets a different iPhone 17e: a variant that supports physical SIM cards. U.S. buyers (and some others) don’t get that feature. How much is physical SIM card compatibility worth? Hard to say again, but it’s not zero.🤷‍♂️
Yes ! Thats right , but it,s still more expensive to buy iPhones in Sweden unfortunately , whats the price in UK ?
 
Im not convinced by the battery comparison between 17e and 17 on Apples site.

17e has 4,000 mh battery (same as 17 pro) with smaller screen and the 17 has about 3,700 mh with larger 6.3” screen, yet it states 17 has more hours in video playback/streaming etc.

I reckon in real life daily use the 17e will last longer between charges for sure, maybe even better than the 17 Pro.

As a household with a 17, 17 Pro, and 16e, I can confirm your assumption here is correct, at least for us. I've used all three at one point, and for our daily usage, the 16e was on par or better consistently (while all three are pretty great tbh).
 
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