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oh jeez - they'll talk about this "feature" all over the keynote now and think you're going to love it. this gimmick is old. almost 10yrs of a notch/island and still no real innovation for complete full screen.
 
oh jeez - they'll talk about this "feature" all over the keynote now and think you're going to love it. this gimmick is old. almost 10yrs of a notch/island and still no real innovation for complete full screen.

It's not too much of an issue on the iPhone due to the aspect ratio. It's not ideal but all phones have a hole of some kind there.

It's much, much worse on the Mac.
 
100% this. I have been a member of this board for a long time and it has completely become overrun with negativity/complainers. They complain about everything and anything Apple does.
I wasn't complaining, so odd that you are complaining about me. I was asking if Apple was going to bother mentioning such an unimpressive feature in a keynote. It's fine that it is smaller, but it is not worth anything more than a small section in the bento box slide.
 
On the iPhone 13 series Apple reduced the notch for only one model year replacing it the following year with the Dynamic Island. Let's hope Apple can accomplish a full screen without any intrusions for the 20th anniversary model next year at least on the higher end models after the smaller Dynamic Island in this year's iteration. Fingers crossed.

Dude, they could have easily done it like five years ago... The answer is sheep grooming. The marketing team doesn’t sleep.
 
So, a small Dynamic Island in 2026 and 2027. This ruins the perfect iPhone XX with notches in the screen. Then, as Ross Young predicted, Dynamic Dot in 2028 and 2029, and finally the all-screen iPhone in 2030?
 
Meh. Is Apple really going to mention this during their keynote? It's in the menu bar area, so why should we care? We get an extra fraction of a fraction of an inch of our wallpaper? We don't have notification icons up there like on Android, so it could be a giant notch and the end effect is the same. It's always going to be something you forget is there until you want to watch a fullscreen video or play a game and then it's annoying, but not a deal breaker.
Not only are they going to mention it, but knowing Apple they’ll make it seem like it’s the greatest thing to ever happen to iPhone, ever!
 
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I'd rather have the extra display height.

We already had this debate when they first did it. Don't change the aspect ratio, keep the display height, just make the bezel as wide as necessary to not have a notch.

The notch was decided on first and the engineering was fit around it. If they decided they didn't want a notch anymore, there would be no more notch.

It's not extra usable display height. Removing menu bar items and hiding the cursor are not acceptable compromises. This makes even less sense than the "usable" display just above the Dynamic Island, to tie it back on topic. There's no reason it couldn't go flush against the top to give us actually usable display height beneath it. Like a notch.

The notch doesn't hurt the iPhone because of the software design and the aspect ratio. It does hurt the Mac very much for the exact same reasons.
 
I'd rather have the extra display height.
But you don’t really gain anything, it’s all optics and perception rather than reality, those corners either side of the Dynamic Island are mostly useless and the space above the island is entirely redundant. All it actually did in most apps was shift more of the UI down so it wasn’t obstructed by the island, and therefore you actually have less screen for the content you care about.

In fact it’s not just apps, look at this website on your phone, the actual banner starts a fair few pixels below the island and everything above that is just plain white.

They added some animation around the island (that could have just existed in a task bar) and people fell for it like it was a hardware requirement.
 
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Their pre-existing investment into an eco system? Their preference of the software? We’re still allowed to criticise the company, in fact if we didn’t they really would drag their heels on improvements and innovation.

What a bizarre mindset to have.
Criticism is one thing and it's always welcome, but some members' strange fixation on nagging about Apple in every single article and thread gets tiring and off-putting. Members here want InNoVaTiOn but not this way, that way. And the goalposts are always moving and people here never seem to be happy with anything Apple does. I find it bizarre spending time and energy when someone's that unhappy- a MacBook, an iPhone and an Apple Watch are not a house, they can easily be offloaded/traded in for another ecosystem with little effort.
 
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Better than no change at all... it's more pleasing aesthetically. But not a significant difference in user experience until it's gone altogether.
Maybe the twentieth edition iPhone will make that happen? Remember the iPhone 13 series got a shrunken notch and the next year the 14 Pro/14 Pro Max models introduced the Dynamic Island.
 
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