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Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Unlocking and Jailbreaking is not against the law.

:rolleyes:
 
this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Chill out, jailbreaking has nothing to do with the prices of using the network. The process, more formally known as unlocking, is available from most major carriers for free.
 
this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!


I suggest you educate yourself on the early days of Apple. ...and Microsoft, for that matter.

And by the way, one can't hack the iPhone without purchasing it first.

Welcome to the world of computers.
 
I'm not worried about the value of my old iphone selling on ebay. The new 3G only works under 3G networks. The old iPhone unlocked to use 2.0 will make it worth more than iphones still using 1.1.4 unlocked.

This is a good day for first gen iphones!
 
this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

We care about Apple. AT&T can go bankrupt for all we care. If the telecoms want to restrict Internet access, then they can burn in the special hell. The one reserved for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!
Hooray for the people who have made it possible for Apple to sell me a phone and AT&T to gain my service contract because now I can also use it when I travel overseas!

Whoo!
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Aargh, not this argument again. Unlocking phones is not illegal in most countries, and in many it is a requirement of the carriers that they give an unlock (perhaps after x months or so). As soon as I bought the hardware, it is mine to do whatever I like with. Apple may not like it, but whatever. They still got my money. For my part, by choosing to not go the contract route, I lost out on warranty support, but that again is my choice!

As for stupid laws (again, unlocking is not illegal!), sometimes they are stupid, and should be ignored or challenged. Speeding is not such a law, as you endanger others as well as yourslef. On the other hand, until recently it was technically illegal to rip a CD into iTunes in Australia (or any mp3 file). There was no "fair use" clause like in the US. Obviously this law was silly, and never actually enforced. So many people were doing it, and after years of this, they've finally changed the law to match reality and community standards. Laws are there to protect society and should be malleable over time, not rigid rules that must always be obeyed no matter what.
 
I'm not worried about the value of my old iphone selling on ebay. The new 3G only works under 3G networks. The old iPhone unlocked to use 2.0 will make it worth more than iphones still using 1.1.4 unlocked.

This is a good day for first gen iphones!
You must be new... 3G iPhones will still work on EDGE networks if a 3G tower is not available. ;)
 
Aargh, not this argument again. Unlocking phones is not illegal in most countries, and in many it is a requirement of the carriers that they give an unlock (perhaps after x months or so). As soon as I bought the hardware, it is mine to do whatever I like with. Apple may not like it, but whatever. They still got my money. For my part, by choosing to not go the contract route, I lost out on warranty support, but that again is my choice!

As for stupid laws (again, unlocking is not illegal!), sometimes they are stupid, and should be ignored or challenged. Speeding is not such a law, as you endanger others as well as yourslef. On the other hand, until recently it was technically illegal to rip a CD into iTunes in Australia (or any mp3 file). There was no "fair use" clause like in the US. Obviously this law was silly, and never actually enforced. So many people were doing it, and after years of this, they've finally changed the law to match reality and community standards. Laws are there to protect society and should be malleable over time, not rigid rules that must always be obeyed no matter what.

Unlocking a RELEASED product may be legal, but jailbreaking the phone is questionable, and BOTH are illegal when you are talking about pre-release software. If these guys had hacked the 2.0 firmware post release, fine. But they didn't. They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it. They broke a contract, they broke the law. They aren't heroes, they are lawless hackers. Whatever noble intentions they may have had, this doesn't even come close to meeting the level of a law that is wrong and should be broken. It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.
 
...jailbreaking the phone is questionable...

How so?

If these guys had hacked the 2.0 firmware post release, fine. But they didn't. They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it.

It's out in about half of the world now. The NDA is over because the software is available.

They broke a contract, they broke the law.

Tell that to the Hackintosh crowd. It's still uncertain whether you can legally enforce an EULA. (a EULA? Depends on if you pronounce it by spelling or "Uu-la")

It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.

In sseveral dozen countries, locking a phone to one carrier is ILLEGAL. In the United States, it is expressly LEGAL to unlock a phone from a carrier.
 
They violated the NDA's and agreements they signed with Apple that allowed them to use the pre-release software and hacked it. They broke a contract, they broke the law.

You're assuming the dev team are part of the dev program and signed those NDAs. I have no idea if they were or not, but it is equally likely they downloaded it off the pirate bay or were passed it by someone else. And I'll admit that itself may be illegal as I assume it is copywrited material, but they may never had a "contract" with Apple.

Now at some point, someone did break an NDA to leak the firmware, but I'm just saying it may not have been them.
 
i hope itll work on the iPhone 3G but i'm kinda scared to use it. Really want my mobilescrobbler back tho and it isnt even illegal to do it jeeze stop crying like a baby. What sense does it make to complain about it if apple doesnt allow those apps anyway so its not like they lose money on it or anything

oh and to the guy above, we have no speed limit on the highway here and im still alive
 
Wow... apple got showed up again.
But before I restore and update I want to see a 2.0 Jailbreak method that won't screw up the mail app.
So I'm waiting with glorious jail broken 1.1.4 until then.
 
It would be nice if people actually, you know supported LEGAL activities instead of championing illegal ones.

In some countries - it's illegal to not sell a phone unlocked. So - are you championing the potentially illegal activities of Apple? Forcing people to use a cell-phone provider that may have poor coverage in their area, or almost certainly artificially inflated prices on this handset alone, is at best money grabbing, and at worst, anti-competitive.
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!
You know, if Apple wasn't so damn insistent on forcing everyone's iPhones to look the same, I wouldn't even think about JB'ing. Not with the App Store and all. But since I happen to think it's ASININE to have a black smudge and fingerprint showing wallpaper on a touchscreen device, and since I don't particularly like Apple's default icons, YOU BET I'm going to jailbreak.

'The iWay or the highway' ... it's getting rather old. Kudos to the Dev Team for their hard work!
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Law? You mean there is a law passed some place that says what I can do with a phone I buy? Gee, I'm glad I don't live there, where ever "there" is. What next a law says that I can't place the iPhone in a blender?
 
I'm not worried about the value of my old iphone selling on ebay. The new 3G only works under 3G networks.

No, the 3G iPhone can do 2G (GSM) as well. You can even turn the 3G feature off to save battery life. (Edit: Sorry I only saw now that someone else had already pointed that out)
 
They broke a contract, they broke the law.
Tell me what law they broke?
Breaking a contract is not illegal.
There may be some civil penalties, but not criminal. You cannot be sent to jail for it.
And here in the US, you have the legal right under the DMCA to have your phone unlocked.

So get off your high horse and join reality.
 
this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Seriously...are you two for real?
 
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