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Look reguardless of this user agreement or that law overall all this team did was unlock and jailbreak an OS running on a phone, giving people the freedom to do what they want.

It's our money that goes to purchasing these products and giving us the freedom to do what we want with those, I give all props to the Dev Team and any other group or single person who can give me that freedom to choose what carrier and programs to run on my phone.

So thank you, and for the others who think I'm a arrogant idiot think whatever you want, the fact you're judging me over my opinion on a phone OS is pretty pathetic...
 
Look reguardless of this user agreement or that law overall all this team did was unlock and jailbreak an OS running on a phone, giving people the freedom to do what they want.

It's our money that goes to purchasing these products and giving us the freedom to do what we want with those, I give all props to the Dev Team and any other group or single person who can give me that freedom to choose what carrier and programs to run on my phone.

So thank you, and for the others who think I'm a arrogant idiot think whatever you want, the fact you're judging me over my opinion on a phone OS is pretty pathetic...

agree, they should be nominated for a award actually ^^ and the devteam doesnt even take donations so ......................
 
Tell me what law they broke?
Breaking a contract is not illegal.
There may be some civil penalties, but not criminal. You cannot be sent to jail for it.
And here in the US, you have the legal right under the DMCA to have your phone unlocked.

So get off your high horse and join reality.

Get off YOUR high horse, take a reading lesson and then comeback. I did not say unlocking the phone was the problem. I said violating the contract and/or stealing the software was illegal.

Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

I don't care one iota what they do with the software after its released since, as has been pointed out, there is nothing illegal about unlocking the phone from the carrier (jailbreaking is related, but since its not used solely for unlocking the phone but also circumventing non-carrier locking functions, it MIGHT be illegal, as i said its questionable). I don't care if you hack your phone to your hearts content. You bought it, do whatever the heck you want with it. My SOLE problem here is that they engaged in illegal activities to get to where they wanted to be.

Some seem to be arguing that its ok because the end result is good. Thats a slippery slope to go down.

Other's are claiming that Apple is breaking the law by having the phone locked in some countries, just because thats illegal in other countries. NEWSFLASH as long as they don't sell the phone LOCKED in a coutnry where thats illegal they aren't breaking the law.

It never ceases to amaze me how people are more and more willing to throw aside the law when its inconvenient to them over such mundane things as a PHONE. This isn't a life or death device, you don't have a RIGHT to have it, yet these guys who break the law to get around the security Apple puts in place are treated like Robin Hood? Hardly. They could have waited and hacked it after it was legal to do so, but they didn't. They had to fan their own ego's by getting it done by launch day (or before). You want to cheer for them or reward them for that? Thats a pretty sad commentary on society. You want to cheer for someone who broke a bad law? Mandela, Gandhi, those are the hero's. These guys? Yeah not so much.
 
Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

Again, 2.0 is out in half of the world. They did not break the NDA to do this. 2.0 is also downloadable from the Apple server. If they had prerelease software, the Dev Team got it as beta from Apple.
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Old guy is old.

Your argument is stupid and irrational. Driving 100 on the freeway causes clear harm to yourself and others. Jailbreaking an iphone? Not so much.

What the hell are you doing in a thread about iphone 2.0 jailbreaking anyway?
Leave us the hell alone if you think what we are doing goes against your stellar moral compass.

Oh, and by the way... see those great apps in the app store? A hell of a lot of those wouldnt exist if it weren't for Jailbreak and Installer.app.

Sheesh. Go Dev Team.
 
You want to cheer for someone who broke a bad law? Mandela, Gandhi, those are the hero's. These guys? Yeah not so much.
So, you're also making a judgement call as to which laws are good or bad. And who are you to do that? The fact is that this is going to be a very useful tool for people who live in countries that don't get the iPhone. Bottom line: you still have to pay for the phone (Apple get its share) and you still have to find an operator to use it (operators get their share).
The NDE wasn't really broken either, IMO. The DevTeam did say that they hacked the firmware, but their work is not bound by NDE. They didn't leak the firmware or any part of the SDK, they didn't give specific details as to what are the security measures and their implementation in the betas etc.
Pretty souls, please chill out. I'm sure no Steve was hurt in the making of this hack :D
Dude, relax, enjoy.
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Agreed! And I'll raise the question again: Why does this site condone violating the EULA to "jailbreak" an iPhone but won't allow conversation of running OS X on an x86 processor.

What's the difference?
 
Uh, can I point something out to everyone.

2.0 DOES NOT EQUAL iPhone 3G.

iPhone 2.0 software for the regular iPhone has been unlocked. You can't yet unlock a 3G iPhone.
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Lol... Just 100? This is L.A. Baby! 100 is the flow of traffic.

Get over it. Do you really think this is going to hurt Apple? No. Will it hurt AT&T? Maybe. But when our country is in a depression and a company like AT&T reports record profits.... F Them.
 
Get off YOUR high horse, take a reading lesson and then comeback. I did not say unlocking the phone was the problem. I said violating the contract and/or stealing the software was illegal.

Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

In the words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Illegal means violation of law. A contract is not law, it is that, a contract. As such, you cannot be arrested for violating it. Can the other party sue for grounds of violation of contract? Absolutely, but violating a contract or EULA is not the same as violation of law. With that said, if a certain party did not pay someone who sells a software product, then that is stealing and as such, violation of local intellectual property law.

Man, I have been working with attorneys for WAY too long. :)
 
Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

You do realize that they downloaded the firmware from apple's own server, right? And none of these guys work for apple.

Secondly they have been beta testing the firmware/software for months which Apple has allowed all testers to do.

Lastly, there was an article on the Internet about Pandora that had this quote:

"Conrad added that Apple gave Pandora something of a head start by suggesting late last year that Pandora develop apps for a jail-broken version of the phone before the SDK was released to developers."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2325281,00.asp

Apple ENCOURAGED its developers to use the jailbroken phones as a testing ground for their software! So basically without the dev team and the hacking community, Apple wouldn't have ever gotten the concept or the idea for the App Store.

Now can you please go home????
 
Either they broke their contract (which would be breaking a LEGAL agreement, hence illegal) or they copied the software from somewhere not Apple, which is also illegal.

Hahahaha I KNEW that there was SOMEONE out there that actually buys a new copy of Windows when he replaces a dead hard drive in his PC. New hardware requires new Windows... and he doesn't wanna break the law.
 
Breaking a contract is not illegal.
It most certainly is.

And here in the US, you have the legal right under the DMCA to have your phone unlocked.
Yes, absolutely, so long as all the steps along the way are legal, which is why the Dev Team puts so much effort into trying to get it right with each of their releases.
New hardware requires new Windows... and he doesn't wanna break the law.
No it doesn't.
 
this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

haha, right, there's no one with jailbroken iphone, just bricks out there.
 
Stupidity

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Wow, that's just ignorant.

Nobody is advocating steeling anything. Everyone is using a product that they bought. It's not like downloading a cracked version of some software. I use AT&T but I still need an unlocked phone for when I travel internationally. I have different SIM cards for different countries. Even if I didn't have AT&T I wouldn't have a problem with unlocking it. Comparing unlocking a product you paid for and endangering other peoples lives by speeding is simply ridiculous.
 
Old guy is old.

Your argument is stupid and irrational. Driving 100 on the freeway causes clear harm to yourself and others. Jailbreaking an iphone? Not so much.

What the hell are you doing in a thread about iphone 2.0 jailbreaking anyway?
Leave us the hell alone if you think what we are doing goes against your stellar moral compass.

Oh, and by the way... see those great apps in the app store? A hell of a lot of those wouldnt exist if it weren't for Jailbreak and Installer.app.

Sheesh. Go Dev Team.

Glad to see you can't argue the point, just attack the person.

Also glad to see you aren't interested in dissenting opinions just hearing the same things over and over.

Why did I post in a thread about the jailbreaking? Because my comment is ABOUT jailbreaking. If you aren't mature enough to understand the idea of debate and disagreement maybe you should be the one who leaves.
 
this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!:mad::mad::mad:

Uhh, just because Apple teamed up with AT&T doesn't mean that all customers should "appreciate the hard work" AT&T put into their really poor customer satisfaction.

What's more, the iPhone is fully, FULLY capable of beginning to replace telephones completely, if it would just do VoIP. WHY isn't Skype on the iPhone?
 
hello from newbie :)

actually, the iphone software should be covered by the digital millennium copyright act (it also covers software, not just dvd's), thus making it illegal to jailbreak and unlock:

`(A) to `circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner;


http://thomas.loc.gov/
 
Uhh, just because Apple teamed up with AT&T doesn't mean that all customers should "appreciate the hard work" AT&T put into their really poor customer satisfaction.

What's more, the iPhone is fully, FULLY capable of beginning to replace telephones completely, if it would just do VoIP. WHY isn't Skype on the iPhone?

the trouble with the whole everyone hates at&t isnt at&t it's people warped expectations, people don't want to pay this or that.

at&t had to work hard to get apple to choose them!

oh and no skype on iPhone does stink ill agree with you on that!
 
Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

Hooray for people that can't stand other people that don't think like they do or have differing opinions about subjects and feel the need to label them with derogatory terms like criminals instead of simply sharing your opinion on the matter.
 
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