iPhone 2.0 Firmware Jailbroken and Unlocked

[shadowfax]

hello from newbie

actually, the iphone software should be covered by the digital millennium copyright act (it also covers software, not just dvd's), thus making it illegal to jailbreak and unlock:

http://thomas.loc.gov/

Check out this specific exemption that has been known about for awhile now.

Of course, hacking the software for other purposes is not expressly covered by these exception, and jailbreaking is certainly illegal under the DMCA.

For my own part, I am looking forward to the unlock. My brother lives in Europe, and I'm going to give him my old iPhone when I get my iPhone 3G. He said he would be OK with using it as an iPod Touch, but he wants to unlock it if possible. I have to say, why AT&T refuses to legitimately unlock my iPhone, which they didn't subsidize, when I filled my contract up to this point and will have changed phones under legitimate rules to a new iPhone 3G, making them even more money, is beyond me.

And that's why the DMCA legalizes cell phone unlocking--unexpected, mediocre consumer protection. So, Go iPhoneDevTeam.

 

[iDarbert]

Unlocking and Jailbreaking is not against the law.

Well, Jailbreaking technically is

 

[shigzeo]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

i really don't know anyone who goes slower than 100 on the express. it is against the law to go less than 60 or 80 in places so, what is the point? or did you mean another denomination by 100?

 

[JBaker122586]

Really? Please expound, if you would be so kind.

Sorry this is way late.
But the iPhone 3G uses different hardware (a different radio with different basebands and such)... as well as a slightly different firmware than the old iPhone.

I'm not saying it won't happen soon, but you can't unlock your iPhone 3g (as far as I know) yet.

 

[shadowfax]

i really don't know anyone who goes slower than 100 on the express. it is against the law to go less than 60 or 80 in places so, what is the point? or did you mean another denomination by 100?

he meant mph... 100 mph = 161 kph.

 

[stracky]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

wouldnt it only be illegal if you make a profit from it, if the guys behind this were trying to profit from it then im sure it would be illegal, but otherwise..... if i jailbreak/unlock my apple product at worst i am voiding my warranty. and seriously if there was a strong enough legal case to support your view, apple would have pursued it. once you buy the product its yours.

if you buy a car and decided to pull out the motor and put in a new one your not a criminal, nor are you breaking the law.

in any case, everyone here loves apple products, some people just want to adjust/tweak/modify their product which is their right. alot of knowledge comes from this which im sure apple itself shares in and benefits from. jailbreaking is done to enhance the product, why would you have a problem with that?

 

[i.maverick]

okay.. my submission made it somewhere...yay!!
now.. for those of you who think why unlocking now is required, it is for those who have gen 1 phones and are still in unsupported countries. Also, so many of the installer apps which were free (maybe they won't be so now) were so incredible and which won't be available in the app store. like customize and summerboard. I don't know how I'll be able to live without personalizing my phone. every iPhone would look the same if you can't put themes on them.


also, to the guy who said why we jailbreaked it in the first place, it is probably because of us that you are getting the app store. just chill.

also, I'm waiting for raging thunder to show up on the app store.

 

[shadowfax]

wouldnt it only be illegal if you make a profit from it, if the guys behind this were trying to profit from it then im sure it would be illegal, but otherwise..... if i jailbreak/unlock my apple product at worst i am voiding my warranty. and seriously if there was a strong enough legal case to support your view, apple would have pursued it. once you buy the product its yours.

if you buy a car and decided to pull out the motor and put in a new one your not a criminal, nor are you breaking the law.

in any case, everyone here loves apple products, some people just want to adjust/tweak/modify their product which is their right. alot of knowledge comes from this which im sure apple itself shares in and benefits from. jailbreaking is done to enhance the product, why would you have a problem with that?

I don't disagree with your willingness to jailbreak, etc.--my iphone was jailbroken until 2.0. However, just for the record, let me reiterate that profit has little or nothing to do with the DMCA. I believe it may touch on some aspects of it, but circumventing encryption, I believe, is simply disallowed. The DMCA doesn't apply to car motors, so your analogy doesn't hold at all.

I hope you can see how if someone is a legalist, they will have a problem with jailbreaking. Legalists also would have had a problem with the colonies' break from England in 1776. That's alright, legalists are useful in some ways, right? I think there's room for lots of different perspectives. Remember, these guys can condemn jailbreaking as much as they want, and wish ill to all unlockers and jailbreakers. It doesn't matter, they can't stop you.

Again, your view on all this depends on your perspective on the law's authority over you, particularly IP laws such as the DMCA. In some ways this argument is much like arguments over abortion and stem cell research--there is very little to argue about, and your position will be based more on your own worldview/perspective/philosophy than whether any one argument proves that something is 'good' or 'OK' or whatever.

This seems obvious enough from the repetitiveness of this whole argument. I haven't heard anything new since the first thread I read on this issue, and it seems rather silly to continue a discussion which is either redundant or puckered with ad hominems.

 

[memesmith]

Legalists also would have had a problem with the colonies' break from England in 1776. That's alright, legalists are useful in some ways, right?

Yay! About time somebody spoke up in defense of terrorism in the name of the greater good!

 

[jazz4ivo]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!

Well dear Apple fanboy,

The reason why people want to unlock their iPhones is because they will not be told by Apple which network they should use! Imagine buying a brand new Toyota Hybrid "break-thru" car and Toyota saying to you: "Sorry sir but you can only use your nice new car on this one freeway (motorway) that we've chosen for you." What a load of c**p!

The reason there are unlocking tools is because Apple created the demand by locking the iPhone. If you are happy to get ripped off by AT&T, Rogers or Telia on 18,24 or even 36 month contracts then go a head! I would gladly buy the iPhone at FULL price (i.e. unsubsidized) and unlock it to use on say the 3Hutchinson network which gives me 500 or 750 free anytime minutes for $50 and Unlimited data plans from as low as $5-10 a month.

Apple is stifling competition by limiting the carriers to 1 per territory but sooner or later they will learn that the mobile phone market does not work like that!

 

[adubsounds]

so how long do you guys reckon before the new 3g phone is unlocked?

 

[Aries326]

this is **** i cant wait for all off you to have nice apple BRICKS!

can no one appreciate the hard work people put into a product! and people wonder why networks are charging so much!

Awww... Poor big companies... If you don't like the idea of unlocking the iPhone, then why even bother hanging out in this thread???

 

[ihabime]

Agreed! And I'll raise the question again: Why does this site condone violating the EULA to "jailbreak" an iPhone but won't allow conversation of running OS X on an x86 processor.

What's the difference?

As far as I can tell there's no ban on talking on talking about OSX86 here, there are several threads about it and it gets mentioned all the time in others, even in peoples sigs.

The only thing close that I can find in the rules is :

Warez/Serials/Keys. Do not post software serial numbers or keys or refer people to specific websites or software whose purpose is to break or bypass software licensing methods, distribute cracks, or obtain or use commercial software or media in violation of its license and/or for copyright violation. Do not ask for or give such help.

But that is about downloading illegal software/posting serials. The iPhone 2.0 software is on a publicly available Apple server, which muddies the waters a bit. Apple has never told people not to DL it from there and it has left it open to the public. Notice that this is not the case with the january update or the iPod Touch 2.0 firmware, those are paid updates.

The jailbreak community, for the most part, only tells you how to open up a product that you have already own, it doesn't distribute software owned by Apple.

What is banned here is talking about where to DL hacked copies of Apple software, such as the pre-hacked versions of OSX.

 

[harcosparky]

Yeah! Lets all cheer the criminals who have no regard for Apple's intellectual property or the work put in by their staff. Hooray for flauting the law because you don't agree with it! I think speed limits are stupid too, i think i'll go drive 100 on the free way, look at me, i'm a hero! Whoo!

I do have a problem with locking the phone to a single provider.

OK I understand that only one provider would submit to demands.

Why couldn't just build the phone and sell it to anyone who wanted it?

would sell more phones over the counter..... oh but wait ..... without agreements with all providers, could not collect those monthly kickback fees.

 

[harcosparky]

at&t had to work hard to get apple to choose them!

Yeah AT&T was the only company that caved in to Apple's extortion like demands!

 

[jazz4ivo]

so how long do you guys reckon before the new 3g phone is unlocked?

It's already been done... it's all over google.com, engaged etc...

 

[adubsounds]

It's already been done... it's all over google.com, engaged etc...

i've seen that 2.0 has been unlocked, but ive seen nothing on the new 3g phone?

Can anyone confirm for me?

 

[Compile 'em all]

I'm impressed at the speed with which they've jailbroken it, but without a lot of beta testers (documented attempts), it's possibly worth some wait to see how things shape up.

There was no speed involved. Apple has been seeding betas for months now. 2.0 was jailbroken/unlocked like months ago. The dev team won't release the unlock until Apple officially releases 2.0.

 

[Otaviano]

Rather sad to see all the fan boys coming out in numbers to attack people that unlock their device. With the new iPhone 3G, I could understand there being an issue with unlocking as it is subsidized. However Apple got really greedy with the first iPhone. I paid the full price of the phone and will use it on any network I feel like. This sheep like mentality is the reason all these big corporation screw us over and take advantage of us on a daily basis.

 

[rjflyn]

Looks like I called this one a few days ago https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/512389/

RJ

 

[Topper82]

iPhone 2.0 Firmware Official through iTunes?????

Gizmodo is reporting that 2.0 is officially available through iTunes update. Has anyone been able to update their 1st Gen to 2.0 through iTunes??? iTunes is telling me 1.1.4 is still current...

 

[rosshire]

to all you ignorant little boys and girls who are worried about apple and those "evil" hackers who are breaking the law.

I can see that not too much thought is going on, so i will help you.

Maybe you dont realize that it was those hackers who made it possible for ALOT of people around the world (including myself) to have an iphone and experience it which made the phone such an a massive success.

the other thing which may have not realized is that since the first gen iphone around 80% of the people I know would never have bought an iphone if it weren't for the huge number of third party apps which were made possible by those "evil" hackers.

infact that was probably the reason that forced Apple to change its approach after initailly not allowing anyone access to its API "officially".

so in summary the "evil" hackers were the accelerant in the success of the iphone, if only you had a little more intellegence to realize it.

 

[jazz4ivo]

Is this true? I thought the 3G iPhone reverted to EDGE/GPRS when 3G coverage isn't available.

This is rubbish! The iPhone 3G works on both EDGE and 3G. If 3G is not available it reverts to EDGE as it supports dual mode!

 

[(L)]

the trouble with the whole everyone hates at&t isnt at&t it's people warped expectations, people don't want to pay this or that.

at&t had to work hard to get apple to choose them!

oh and no skype on iPhone does stink ill agree with you on that!

Warped expectations are sometimes a problem, but AT&T's service is simply overpriced. At least, where I come from, I'm used to a fraction of that price, and get better service. Anyway, jailbreaking for the customers to be free of AT&T's death-grip (and use Skype or such) is something I would support, though I don't do it myself, since AT&T frankly did not make the iPhone, what claim do they have to what people do with it?

 

[bigmc6000]

The only way jailbreaking is going to take off like it did with the original iPhone is if it still works with all the Apps available - end of story. That's wonderful they broke it for all those international travelers but unless it works with the App store there's not a chance in the world I'd ever even consider it...