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iPhone 3.0 Firmware to Take Better Photos?

Small White Car said:
Well, yeah. Obviously the 2nd example is a lens problem.

But how does "that guy has a lens problem" = "Apple isn't trying to improve the camera software" ?

I don't see the connection.

I'm pretty sure it will improve just because, as I said, other apps take better photos currently, so why wouldn't Apple be trying to improve on that in their own app?
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Thats called logic.

IF Apple is working to improve image quality through software THEN I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)

YOU don't have the picture to prove it (says I)

THEREFORE Apple is NOT working to improve image quality through software

Modus Tolens
 
Kilamite said:
Possible they have adjusted shutter speed - the night time shot has come out amazingly well for a mobile phone photo.

But I really hope the new iPhone will have a physically better camera, not just better firmware for it.
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Take this with a grain of salt. I don't know that much about Cameras or digital photography.

Wouldn't a slower shutter speed (more time to absorb light) + a better lens + 3Mp = Amazing mobile photos?

Meaning the first can be achieved via a software update, but the other two are rumor hardware updates. Wouldn't that be the equivalent of a VERY nice 3mp camera?
 
jared_kipe said:
Thats called logic.

IF Apple is working to improve image quality through software THEN I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)

YOU don't have the picture to prove it (says I)

THEREFORE Apple is NOT working to improve image quality through software
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Yeah, but I had a totally different reason for thinking they'll be improving the camera software.

Whatever pictures those people take have nothing to do with my reasons, which I still think are good reasons. I mean, if you doubt my idea, say why. But I think it's still good.
 
Small White Car said:
Yeah, but I had a totally different reason for thinking they'll be improving the camera software.

Whatever pictures those people take have nothing to do with my reasons, which I still think are good reasons.
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But this is a RUMOR site. When someone comes up and says, "Apple is doing X This, here is my proof!" and you shoot down the proof you kill that rumor.

I have no doubt Apple is trying to improve all kinds of features for every product they make. That includes the cameraphone software.

But I don't make forum postings on how I think they will offer X feature, "because it makes sense."
People will nod off.
 
theBB said:
Sorry, that's faulty logic. Time to dust up middle school math. :)

"If X then Y" is not equivalent to "if (not Y) then (not X)".
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P -> Q
~Q

~P MT

Google Modus Tollens if you want some examples.
Side note "Modus Tollens is the root of falsification, as proposed by Karl Popper and since used as the cornerstone of scientific proof." - changingminds.org
 
jared_kipe said:
Am I the only one who doesn't buy it??
The lens flare in the second image is so vastly different. This could have been achieved by taking your very own hot air (breath) and blowing it onto the camera lens. (or finger print smudge whatever you want)

Behold, how blowing and cleaning my lens has improved my 2.1fw iphones pictures dramatically!!
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No, you might be the only one not reading. A number of posters above you think it's to do with an unclean lens.
 
TheSpaz said:
If they're taking the photos with 2 different iPhones, then the iPhone running 2.2.1 might have a damaged UV coating on the camera lens.

I'm talking about this: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/491942/
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Exactly.

Also, I don't understand why people say iPhone's photos are good for a mobile phone photo.
Pretty much all so called iPhone killers have better camera and produce better photos.
I love my iPhone but it doesn't mean everything it does is great.
 
Never understood this obsession with the iphone 'poor' camera.

To me at least, if I want to take treasured family pics I'll take anduse a proper camera, with a high mp and a good flash. The camera on the iphone is perfectly fine for quick snaps and well posed, non-moving group shots.

Would a better camera be nice? Of course. But it doesn't even enter my top ten reasons why I have an iPhone.
 
jared_kipe said:
Thats called logic.

IF Apple is working to improve image quality through software THEN I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)

YOU don't have the picture to prove it (says I)

THEREFORE Apple is NOT working to improve image quality through software

Modus Tolens
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IF Hawaii has volcanos THEN I have the picture to prove it

YOU don't have a picture of a volcano (it's just a hill)

THEREFORE Hawaii does NOT have volcanoes

Definitely a logic problem there :)

Apple can do whatever they like, no matter WHAT iPhone.ru does or does not have to show.
 
jared_kipe said:
P -> Q
~Q

~P MT

Google Modus Tollens if you want some examples.
Side note "Modus Tollens is the root of falsification, as proposed by Karl Popper and since used as the cornerstone of scientific proof." - changingminds.org
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Except that this depends on P -> Q being a true statement

jared_kipe said:
IF Apple is working to improve image quality through software THEN I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)
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I would argue that this statement is FALSE. I think that the proper statement would be:

IF I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)
THEN Apple is working to improve image quality through software.

Which means you have Q -> P and ~Q, and from that you cannot derive ~P
 
Jako7286 said:
I would argue that this statement is FALSE. I think that the proper statement would be:

IF I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)
THEN Apple is working to improve image quality through software.

Which means you have Q -> P and ~Q, and from that you cannot derive ~P
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Agreed--your statement is what iPhones.ru is really saying. The other statement was in reverse.
 
nagromme said:
IF Hawaii has volcanos THEN I have the picture to prove it

YOU don't have a picture of a volcano (it's just a hill)

THEREFORE Hawaii does NOT have volcanoes

Definitely a logic problem there :)

Apple can do whatever they like, no matter WHAT iPhone.ru does or does not have to show.
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Right, you can change wording to make it sound wrong. But thats not the point of logic.
The original statement is called the Premise, and is taken as true.
You can't just make up what comes next.

Also, you missed my point entirely. I saw what looked like bogus information, so I tried to explain how it is bogus to me. Then people jump all over me saying "Even if the proof presented is COMPLETELY MADE UP, Apple COULD still be working on it." Well of course they CAN, and probably will.
But the PREMISE of this thread has been shown to be false by a number of people in this thread. So you might as well PRAY for the supposed image improvement in your own silent magical thread... in your own way...
 
nagromme said:
Agreed--your statement is what iPhones.ru is really saying. The other statement was in reverse.
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Agreed agreed. You can't disprove what you can't prove. I guess I'll go back to teaching creationism. ;)

EDIT: I manufactured the statements. Just like everyone else. You can't really apply logic to anything around here.
 
jared_kipe said:
Right, you can change wording to make it sound wrong. But thats not the point of logic.
The original statement is called the Premise, and is taken as true.
You can't just make up what comes next.
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Modus Tollens is a perfectly sound tool of logic. However, you need to apply it properly. As several people have pointed out, in order to use it, you must show that P=>Q first. Otherwise, the result is nonsense. You can prove anything with a false premise. This is what nagromme was demonstrating.

You can be absolutely right that the information is bogus. That doesn't mean your reasoning about why the information is bogus is right. People get the right answer by accident all the time.
 
I just wish the camera were good enough to read mobile tags, I don't care too much about regular photos. Currently I have to scan a mobile tag usually at least 4 or 5 times until the picture quality is good enough for the app to analyze it. It drives me nuts!
 
jared_kipe said:
Right, you can change wording to make it sound wrong. But thats not the point of logic.
The original statement is called the Premise, and is taken as true.
You can't just make up what comes next.

Also, you missed my point entirely. I saw what looked like bogus information, so I tried to explain how it is bogus to me. Then people jump all over me saying "Even if the proof presented is COMPLETELY MADE UP, Apple COULD still be working on it." Well of course they CAN, and probably will.
But the PREMISE of this thread has been shown to be false by a number of people in this thread. So you might as well PRAY for the supposed image improvement in your own silent magical thread... in your own way...
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Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic!"
Charles Lutwidge Dodgson
 
fleshman03 said:
Take this with a grain of salt. I don't know that much about Cameras or digital photography.

Wouldn't a slower shutter speed (more time to absorb light) + a better lens + 3Mp = Amazing mobile photos?

Meaning the first can be achieved via a software update, but the other two are rumor hardware updates. Wouldn't that be the equivalent of a VERY nice 3mp camera?
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Yeah, but a slower shutter speed also increases the chance of blur, especially if you are holding the iPhone.
 
Jako7286 said:
Except that this depends on P -> Q being a true statement



I would argue that this statement is FALSE. I think that the proper statement would be:

IF I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)
THEN Apple is working to improve image quality through software.

Which means you have Q -> P and ~Q, and from that you cannot derive ~P
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Thank you, Jako. I finally registered to comment so I could correct the logic being thrown around on this thread, but you beat me to it.
 
jared_kipe said:
Thats called logic.

IF Apple is working to improve image quality through software THEN I have the picture to prove it (says iPhones.ru)

YOU don't have the picture to prove it (says I)

THEREFORE Apple is NOT working to improve image quality through software

Modus Tolens
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Or skip the Ps and Qs and see that Apple's had job listings for improving it through software and hardware?
Put another way, with Apple rumored to be going with a 3.2Mpixel from Omnivision - why not this one, (OV3632 with the OV630 dedicated image signal processor) - then they'd definitely be at some point in the near future be doing more work on image quality...
It'd make sense they'd try and make the 3G iPhone's pics the best they can, if they're not going to allow video on it, and save the video feature to the new version.
 
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