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iPhone 3g S? A new iPhone? Nah... here is how i compare it.

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preguntonontrac said:
Well for me atleast my most do requirements to upgrade were:

Better screen (oled)
New design
Upgraded camera
Space upgrade
procesor

Some optional but i would not care.

way better camera 5 Mpixels example
in front video chat camera

and many other do-able upgrades mention on many threads.

But this is just complaining... I just wanted to establish how i analyze it, I will just wait 4th gen, i love the iPhone :D
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Oh god, the rumors for the phone, to be released a year from now mind you, are starting already.

Space upgrade? 32GB was the space upgrade. Better screen? I am not sold on OLED out in the field yet. Especially since that would likely increase phone cost at this point. New design: exactly. Could have thrown the same specs as the 3G in a matte case and people would be drooling over it, pathetic really. 5MP camera: people, its not about the megapixels. Plus, its a phone, not a digital camera. Front video chat? I have that on my LG Shine, its a worthless feature. Processor? Got an upgrade.

Never has the bar been set so high year after year than it is with Apple. People have no idea why they want these fancy features, but they convince themselves that they need them to make their phone truly amazing.
 
I'd much rather have a 3G S

I bought a first gen iPhone when it came out and I'm thrilled that I waited an extra year for the 3G S. It has the capacity for twice the 3G speed, voice recognition and the other features that everybody is aware of. There are little refinements like the fingerprint-resistant screen and big ones like the system hardware overhaul. Every time I use it I will notice a significant difference from the hardware upgrade alone. Now I'll wait for 2 years until I upgrade again and watch another version pass me by, but I won't make posts about how it's not that great to make myself feel better.
 
beamer8912 said:
Exactly. Apple even kept the same name. They knew it wasn't much of a bump and they indicated that. It's not a big upgrade, just adding an extra trim above the normal.

It's ridiculous how some are trying so hard to justify their purchases. In the end they know what they have, and they know its not much. Argue all they like, they know what they got. :rolleyes:
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Of course people justify it- It's a luxury item, something people want but don't need.

The same was true of the original iPhone and the iPhone 3G, regardless of any subsidies or rebates. It doesn't matter if the phone costs a penny or a grand, spending the money on something that isn't a necessity requires some form of justification or self gratification.

No one who bought an iPhone 3G and isn't getting an iPhone 3G S is any less delusional or self justifying than someone who is getting an iPhone 3G S since no one ever needed either phone and just wanted them.
 
G4R2 said:
Of course people justify it- It's a luxury item, something people want but don't need.

The same was true of the original iPhone and the iPhone 3G, regardless of any subsidies or rebates. It doesn't matter if the phone costs a penny or a grand, spending the money on something that isn't a necessity requires some form of justification or self gratification.

No one who bought an iPhone 3G and isn't getting an iPhone 3G S is any less delusional or self justifying than someone who is getting an iPhone 3G S since no one ever needed either phone and just wanted them.
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you are correct. the iphone itself is just a pure luxury item

im actually contemplating going back to an original standard phone as i really just use my iphone for calls and texts
 
Peterg2 said:
What harm is it doing? The site is just as useful as it has always been and what is required is some selectivity when it comes to what one reads and what one replies to.

This forum is what it is, hardly a site designed to create world peace or find a cure for cancer.
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Because there's been countless threads saying the same exact stuff as the OP is saying.
 
beamer8912 said:
Exactly. Apple even kept the same name. They knew it wasn't much of a bump and they indicated that. It's not a big upgrade, just adding an extra trim above the normal.

It's ridiculous how some are trying so hard to justify their purchases. In the end they know what they have, and they know its not much. Argue all they like, they know what they got. :rolleyes:
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Who gives a damn, its a bigger upgrade then 3g was but people still gobbled those up.
 
G4R2 said:
No one who bought an iPhone 3G and isn't getting an iPhone 3G S is any less delusional or self justifying than someone who is getting an iPhone 3G S since no one ever needed either phone and just wanted them.
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Actually, I think there are more posts from people convincing themselves they don't want a 3GS solely because they can't get the lowest price.
 
beamer8912 said:
Accept, developers aren't going to alienate a 40,000,000 consumer base in order to take full advantage of the S with a much, much smaller consumer base.

So you have your brand new V8 Civic (what a laugh that is by the way), stuck on the same highway with the same speed limit as the V4 civic. Only your civic has a compass, and voice commands. :eek:

It will be great next year though, when the newest iPhone comes out and the 3G and 2G will pretty much be phased out. However that "Civic" will have a V12 with with multiple turbo chargers.
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I think it's more likely the next iPhone will just be a case refresh, e.g. iPhone 2G-3G. The 3G S has doubled the speed of the current phone, and as developers start to take advantage of that, it makes sense that next iPhone iteration will focus on feature/external improvements. This "Civic" is already plenty fast.
 
I don't see why people say it's just a small upgrade. I'm my opinion the 3gs is a bigger update than the 3g. The faster processor and different internals marks this as the beginning of the next the iphones.

You will be able to do things on the 3gs that simply won't run on the earlier models.
 
Peterg2 said:
You too are harbouring the probably unrealistic expectation that the 4th edition of the iPhone will be a blockbuster? :)
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not neccessarily but if the design wasnt changed for the 4th generation would they really call it iphone 3GS squared? so from a business standpt it seems logical that the 4th gen will have soemthing different than the prior 3
 
Nate Hoffman said:
I bought a first gen iPhone when it came out and I'm thrilled that I waited an extra year for the 3G S. It has the capacity for twice the 3G speed, voice recognition and the other features that everybody is aware of. There are little refinements like the fingerprint-resistant screen and big ones like the system hardware overhaul. Every time I use it I will notice a significant difference from the hardware upgrade alone. Now I'll wait for 2 years until I upgrade again and watch another version pass me by, but I won't make posts about how it's not that great to make myself feel better.
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i think you made a mistake to wait for the 3gs instead of the 3g. There is not much difference between the new iphone and the 3g but a little speed improvement. I dont see it as anything significant to upgrade although i have the money to do. It would be much better to wait for next year iphone because it will be a really significant upgrade. You will regret it when next year come because this year upgrade is nothing exciting. 3mp camera? little speedier? Not worth upgrading at all if you own the 3g phone.
 
How significant an upgrade the 3GS is ultimately in the eye of the beholder, particularly when it comes down to how much you have to pay and whether you have no iPhone, the 2G or 3G, etc. Everyone's perspective will generally differ as to what is worth paying for.

That said, from an engineer's point of view, reading this article

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&p=1

is pretty eye opening and makes you realize just how much of an internal improvement is being made to the hardware. For old school PC folk, they equate it to the leap from the 486 to Pentium class computers, which was huge back in the day.

From a PC gamer point of view, we often upgrade our graphics cards for 10-20% increases in overall performance. Getting a 50% boost is considered HUGE - and you will likely pay $500-600 for the top of the line video card for that kind of speed increase.

In this case, we are talking performance improvement on the order of 200% and beyond!!! Calling that "a little speedier" is a poor representation at best, once you consider the actual hardware improvements.
 
rittchard said:
How significant an upgrade the 3GS is ultimately in the eye of the beholder, particularly when it comes down to how much you have to pay and whether you have no iPhone, the 2G or 3G, etc.
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Yup.

Having no iPhone before, I'd saying a 3GS is a pretty big step up. :D (Geez, I'm paying just $15/month more to get messages AND Internet access. That's not "ripping me off", guys).
 
Except for the addition of GPS, 2G to 3G was incremental for my needs.

I find 3G to 3G S to be significant.

The camera appears to be good enough that I don't need to keep a second pocketable camera around. That's a big deal in my book.

The processor speed is also huge. Being able to play higher bitrate videos was near the top of my priority list.

Doubling the storage makes a big impact on the amount if time I will need to spend managing the amount of data on the device.

Increased battery life is also significant.

Sorry, if you can't afford it don't buy it. But it's a pretty big upgrade.
 
think about the first generation and the second generation iphone. the only difference was 3G and GPS...
 
I don't think we are going to get revolutionary upgrades yearly as many expect. The first gen was a revolution.

The software updates are where the true revolution takes place.
 
rittchard said:
How significant an upgrade the 3GS is ultimately in the eye of the beholder, particularly when it comes down to how much you have to pay and whether you have no iPhone, the 2G or 3G, etc. Everyone's perspective will generally differ as to what is worth paying for.

That said, from an engineer's point of view, reading this article

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&p=1

is pretty eye opening and makes you realize just how much of an internal improvement is being made to the hardware. For old school PC folk, they equate it to the leap from the 486 to Pentium class computers, which was huge back in the day.

From a PC gamer point of view, we often upgrade our graphics cards for 10-20% increases in overall performance. Getting a 50% boost is considered HUGE - and you will likely pay $500-600 for the top of the line video card for that kind of speed increase.

In this case, we are talking performance improvement on the order of 200% and beyond!!! Calling that "a little speedier" is a poor representation at best, once you consider the actual hardware improvements.
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Precisely. I remember that 486-> Pentium leap, and it was huge. Those thinking the 3G S is a slight bump are just trying to justify their decision on not getting it, or not being able to afford it.

On the other hand, I wonder how many people would get it had they not thrown in a new processor, doubled the ram, new gpu, yet changed the design of the phone. :rolleyes:

In the end people are going to justify their decision regardless of what side of the fence they're on.
 
speaking for myself, I was not going to upgrade from my 3G to the new 3GS until I started looking around and seeing how much my pristine condition iPhone was going for on Ebay & Craigslist. This is not a justification, it makes perfect logical sense (unless you are an ultra liberal who thinks I should be giving my hard earned money to people who want to live off the state and not apply themselves, but thats a topic for another day)

I just sold my phone for $400 within 4 hours of posting on Craigslist (and could have easily asked for more) I have a family plan with 3 more lines that qualify for the $299 price. That means that I just got the new iPhone with much needed extra storage, and pocketed $100 in process, folks, that does not require a whole lot of thought. Even if you take into consideration the $9.99 I will spend per month on that line over the course of a year, if I were to apply the pocketed cash, I am still only paying $20 for the phone. I am pretty sure everyone who posts on this board can afford $20 over the course of a year to upgrade...

I will get off my soapbox now. :)
 
auero said:
think about the first generation and the second generation iphone. the only difference was 3G and GPS...
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Exactly, but in addition to the 3g and GPS it did get tapered edges and a plastic back. Since it changed physically its a huge upgrade. Forget that the 3gs got brand spanking new internals, which actually makes the phone function, it didn't get a new look so its not worthy.

All these upgrades people are requesting are ridiculous. 5 mp camera, oled screens. Guess what it costs money. Apple has to strike a compromise between affordability, profit margins, and function.
 
you extended your contracted and wasted your 200$ for the upgrade when your contract ends. $20 is wrong. More like you spend $200.


simplemind said:
speaking for myself, I was not going to upgrade from my 3G to the new 3GS until I started looking around and seeing how much my pristine condition iPhone was going for on Ebay & Craigslist. This is not a justification, it makes perfect logical sense (unless you are an ultra liberal who thinks I should be giving my hard earned money to people who want to live off the state and not apply themselves, but thats a topic for another day)

I just sold my phone for $400 within 4 hours of posting on Craigslist (and could have easily asked for more) I have a family plan with 3 more lines that qualify for the $299 price. That means that I just got the new iPhone with much needed extra storage, and pocketed $100 in process, folks, that does not require a whole lot of thought. Even if you take into consideration the $9.99 I will spend per month on that line over the course of a year, if I were to apply the pocketed cash, I am still only paying $20 for the phone. I am pretty sure everyone who posts on this board can afford $20 over the course of a year to upgrade...

I will get off my soapbox now. :)
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