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An easy way to test if it's "actually" sending data or whether it's just the total of the day's data usage is to turn off the phone (or turn on airplane mode) when you go to bed.

I would recommend turning the phone off when you go to sleep for a week, and then looking at your bill at the end of the week. Are the charges there, or did they disappear?

I agree with this -- most expedient to try. The fact that there're entries at almost the same times each day (and I do use data on a daily basis) leads me to think that it's just integrating over time -- e.g., I think it divides the day into about three pieces, and it bundles the data you use into the three segments (like morning, mid-day, and night). Looking at my numbers, they seem consistent with that theory.
 
Same here

I'm getting these transfers around 2 AM as well. They can be a couple KB or as large as 45 MB. I do not have Mobileme. My only addition to this post I haven't seen yet is that going back several months I see that it started happening every single night without exception on February 4, 2010. Before that they were sporadic, some nights nothing, some nights something. This also coincided with a huge upward trend in the bar graph they post for you showing monthly usage.

AT&T claims to know nothing, and one guy claimed it was the phone updating itself, and disagreed with me when I said it updates via USB and iTunes. Are CSRs really that stupid, or are they told to say these things in response I wonder.

Also, I can account for usage on other days that are from me, such as a posting last Monday at 11 AM for 16 MB of data transfer (I was bored at a picnic).
 
Are you guys all JB iphone? I've always suspicious about JB doing some fishy background stuff but if this is the case I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Are you guys all JB iphone? I've always suspicious about JB doing some fishy background stuff but if this is the case I wouldn't be surprised.


Never jailbroke my phone, but good question. So many problems posted on these forums for iPhone do ultimately result in a bad JB.

In the case that it could be Push, even though others claim it isn't, these are the apps I have pushing:

Meebo, Words Free, MyWx Lite, Zillow.com.
 
Just about every day, right around the 1:30am Central timeframe (but not exactly the same always) my data usage shows 15 KB to 17 MB sent (average of 3MB.) In the couple weeks since my billing cycle reset, my 1:09am to 1:49am usage has totaled 56 MB. For the most part, my iPhone was sitting in its dock, unused and unlocked therefore should be on wifi only.

Keep in mind that the bill shows "out" for all data, because it was an outbound call to the APN. It doesn't tell you data sent, but data sent AND received.
 
Where did you recieve the stats from? I still haven't found my way around the O2 system.

From what I gather, it appears to be a rollup of the day's usage, or even the App Store doing something.

It's not a sum of the days usage, unless it's a sum for some days but not others, and only some of the data of a day and not others. I can account for specific times I used it and it shows up at the correct time on the bill. Also, I saw a post on this topic in the apple forums that had a guy transfer 101 MB of data at 2 in the morning. I've had up to 45 MB. This is not some small transfer or update.

The stats are on the Full Bill for AT&T, don't know about O2.
 
It's not a sum of the days usage, unless it's a sum for some days but not others, and only some of the data of a day and not others. I can account for specific times I used it and it shows up at the correct time on the bill. Also, I saw a post on this topic in the apple forums that had a guy transfer 101 MB of data at 2 in the morning. I've had up to 45 MB. This is not some small transfer or update.

The stats are on the Full Bill for AT&T, don't know about O2.

O2 are showing the same detail. The size of the data itself doesn't make sense, and there seems to be no correlation to anything we've found. We just can't find a common property within our own test lab.
 
Check the Log File

These Data Usage events started occurring for me at the beginning of May 2010. I only noticed them because I wanted to see if going to the 200 mb plan would be beneficial. To my surprise, my phone was using more than 200 mb all on its own.

To try and determine who/what was doing this, I turned on Airplane mode and there were no 3G access attempts during those 2 nights that Airplane mode was on. I turned Airplane mode off, and the data usage began again.

I tried looking at the iPhone log file but it only records about 4 hours worth of events.

If anyone is awake within a couple of hours after their phone makes these 3G accesses, you can check your log file to see what APP is doing this.

To do this, you'll need the iPhone Configuration Utility that you can download here:

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL851

Hook your iPhone up via the sync cable and run the Configuration Utility. Select the iPhone under Devices on the left and then click the Console Tab. The log file will appear in the window below. Right around the time that you see "Internet/Media Net Activity" on your Billing, there should be some recorded events in the Log File.

Kenny
 
It should be noted that in my case, I'm showing 3G access on days when I'm not even using the phone. Since getting my iPad, I haven't been using the phone all that much and certainly not for anything that is transferring as much Data as AT&T is showing on my Billing - the reason I was wanting to downgrade the data plan.

As a test, I ran iHeart Radio over 3G for 5 hours just to see how much data is used. This data usage showed up as a separate event on my billing, separate from these phantom usage events that are occurring daily.

Kenny
 
It should be noted that in my case, I'm showing 3G access on days when I'm not even using the phone. Since getting my iPad, I haven't been using the phone all that much and certainly not for anything that is transferring as much Data as AT&T is showing on my Billing - the reason I was wanting to downgrade the data plan.

As a test, I ran iHeart Radio over 3G for 5 hours just to see how much data is used. This data usage showed up as a separate event on my billing, separate from these phantom usage events that are occurring daily.

Kenny

I'm using a much more invasive procedure, by looking at the system logs, which logs every single little thing.
 
I'll see if I capture anything tonight with the Console method. Since I've never logged into AT&Ts site, I can't actually say that I'm even having the same data transfer that you folks are.

I do think I've just seen Ookla send up my position data during a speed test... :mad:
 
Not much to report...

There were a few messages in the console around 3:30 local time (Central) along the lines of:

Fri Jun 11 03:35:56 unknown mDNSResponder[18] <Error>: Failed to obtain NAT port mapping 0004CDF0 from router 10.93.167.35 external address 0.0.0.0 internal port 5353 interval 4000 error 0

...but a Google search seems to imply that this indicates a temporary loss of Push notifications. Perhaps AT&T or Apple were doing maintenance at that time.
 
I had my phone off overnight.
No 1am data transfers shown on the AT&T website.
But my data usage from yesterday evening hasn't show up either.
So I can't entirely rule out that it's an aggregate reporting of usage.
As I said, I'll continue to leave the phone off overnight, and see what happens.
 
I had my phone off overnight.
No 1am data transfers shown on the AT&T website.
But my data usage from yesterday evening hasn't show up either.
So I can't entirely rule out that it's an aggregate reporting of usage.
As I said, I'll continue to leave the phone off overnight, and see what happens.

everyone do this for a few nights, use you data in the day and turn your phone off overnight and see if they continue to be shown.
 
Second night spent with the phone off.
AT&T now shows a little bit of data usage at 7:30am yesterday, which is when I turned on the phone. Nothing else.

So my initial hypothesis is that it's ACTUAL data transfer happening, not a summary on AT&Ts part.
 
If this session isn't an aggregate logging, then I'm getting a whole lot of free data access from ATT. Most days this ~2AM report is my only recorded data when I was certainly using 3G.

It's not at all surprising CSRs have no idea how the billing system actually works.

No conspiracy here.
 
If this session isn't an aggregate logging, then I'm getting a whole lot of free data access from ATT. Most days this ~2AM report is my only recorded data when I was certainly using 3G.

It's not at all surprising CSRs have no idea how the billing system actually works.

No conspiracy here.

The billing system dates back to when data offerings were brand new, and reflects how data at the time worked (some of it is still relevant, some of it not). But yeah, you are on the right track here. :)

A couple things to note...

- Look at your data reported on the bill... the total matches what they say you used, and yet it's all reported as outbound. Why is this?

- Take note of when you use a sizable chunk of data during the day (while using the phone normally), why is it never seemingly reported when you used it, if you have push or a short fetch setting?

The quick answer here is that data on mobile phones before 3G had to make a call to a special phone number, just like a modem to setup the data connection. This was billed as a call just like anything else, just based on the data sent/received during the call, rather than the minutes used. This call was also always outbound.

So, the aggregation for the data now could still very well be similar to then. It aggregates when the data link is shut down by the phone, or when some point in time passes by that forces an entry into the database. Those who have push notifications and/or push e-mail will keep the data connection open, forcing the aggregation to happen at points in time, rather than when the data connection closes.
 
An update

Last night, I had it in Airplane mode, and I did use 3G data yesterday during the day. I talked to an AT&T CSR this morning, and she informed me that the data transfer still occurred last night, however there were transfers during the day as well coinciding with my use yesterday. She claimed it was from the phone updating, then she modified this claim saying the apps were updating. I do not have many apps on my iPhone, and a single transfer of ~45 Mb in one night several nights past is extreme (as noted in my post above). She could not explain why this would happen even though my phone was in airplane mode. She was being told this by a person near, and she was typing everything I was telling her (I could hear it).

If a transfer did occur last night (I can't check since I can't access my account on AT&T.com presently) then this would seem to be something AT&T is doing, since my phone would not take itself out of airplane mode, then put itself back in.

Edit: The CSR was wrong. I just checked my account and last night no transfer occurred, it was the previous morning that it occurred, while the phone was unmodified. Of the last several nights the only time the transfer occurred was when my phone was on regularly, or when I had notifications (push) turned off.
 
Would be easier to figure out what's going on if there was a "firewall" type of app for iPhone.

Like Reagan said in the '80s: Trust, but verify.

I'm not so sure I trust Steve.

FirewallIP ftw. us jailbreakers have known about this issue for how many years now?

Amazing you guys are just figuring this out....:rolleyes: Its apps calling home idiots

http://i-phone-home.blogspot.com/


.....on another note, can we get Reagan back
 
FirewallIP ftw. us jailbreakers have known about this issue for how many years now?

Amazing you guys are just figuring this out....:rolleyes: Its apps calling home idiots

Apps not running cannot call home. If the code ain't executing, it can't do jack.
 
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As you can see my iphone 3g was sending a crazy amount of data in the middle of the night. I've sold mine in preperation for the iphone 4 but looking at this im gonna get screwed on data charges with these new contracts
 
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