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I did not or do not want it. However, Apple will not let me have the option of completely removing it from iTunes without hacks. "Here is this useless feature that further bloats iTunes and cannot be removed. You will like it because we say so."

I can't think of many applications where I use 100% of the features. So, it's not just an iTunes thing so it would appear that you're just picking on iTunes. That's my point.
 
This comment keeps coming back and all it does is show a massive reading comprehension fail on the part of the people posting it. It's not the Phone in general that's labeled a fail, it's the antenna story from this summer. Apple PR reacted badly at first and then decided spin, denial and defamation were good tactics to calm the issue down.

However, the launch of the iPhone 4 had 3 big issues that did make it a big fail : White iPhone 4, Proximity sensor (took months) and the antenna. So while sales were good (no one is questioning that), Apple faced some severe issues with it that it did not with other iPhone launches.

The World isn't black and white. Something that sells well still can have problems. One isn't related to the other, especially when all your initial sales are going off hype alone.

This is mental masturbation left best for boarders and bloggers.

The bottom line is $$$. Iphone 4, in terms of business, was the opposite of failure. And don't kid yourself..... that's all that matters, here. Not endless pages of pontification and conjecture.
 
I've stopped listening to CNN's "news" after they dubbed the snowfall in New York "Snowpocolypse2010". They seem to love to over exaggerate things.

At least they arent Fox :rolleyes: Still cant believe people actually watch that crap...

Ever seen V for Vendetta? Where the media is secretly controlled by the government... ;)
 
This is mental masturbation left best for boarders and bloggers.

The bottom line is $$$. Iphone 4, in terms of business, was the opposite of failure. And don't kid yourself..... that's all that matters, here. Not endless pages of pontification and conjecture.

The bottom line is Apple had to spend money and divert personel to dealing with these issues. Money and personel that could have brought in more $$$ had it not been for these issues.

By your very definition of all that matters, it did. :rolleyes: Mental masturbate away!
 
This is what CNN and the rest of the media are good at. Sensationalizing non-issues to justify their existence. Apple sells millions of iPhone 4s, which means million of people making calls with no issues. I might add that on my iPhone 4, I often get better coverage than friends sitting next to me with other phones on AT&T. And CNN ranks this as a number one fail.

Apple is doing well, and doing things right, so the incompetent and unconfident people in the media feel the need to criticize.

Apple will just keep selling millions of devices, while CNN bloviates about non-issues. CNN is the real epic fail.
 
If the signal strength is very weak in the area you are using a cell phone, holding any phone a certain way would cause issues. Apple just designed a fancy antenna where the gap was exposed, and when gripped, the capacitance effect was introduced causing the antenna to degrade the incoming signal. Using other AT&T phones in that exact same location would have issues also if you applied the death grip to that phone.

No. Some phones might have the issue if you grip it like hell. But all the iPhone 4 needs is a little tiny touch of a finger to lose signal. Hell, you could place a thin metal pin across the seam and it would lose signal.

Stop just spitting out everything Apple tells you. It's unflattering and, in most cases, false horse crap.
 
It was a eng failure, but it is still the best phone

I say that it is quite a paradox. The IP4 antenna issue was a fail, but not the iPhone 4 itself.

Yes, it was an engineering flaw because it turned into a poor user interface issue. This is what Apple usually tries to avoid with its engineering designs..so it was a failure from that point of view. But most people worked around it or were in strong signal areas...and most use cases anyways.

The iP4 is a hugely popular phone...the largest single selling smartphone of 2010, it not of all time.

Consider that there are 80 models of phones running Android (Google Schmidt says 137, but I can't find that quote again). The iPhone has 3, if one ignores the original. But okay call it 4.

When the press says Android surpassed iPhone in market share...they mean OS's and sales per month...but 1) the total number of iphone out there is greater than all the 80+ Android phones combined. There is not one single model of Android smartphone that comes close to the iP4 in terms of sales.

That alone makes the IP4 a huge engineering success despite the antennagate PR.

Carriers limits? The iP4 is available on 154 carriers; Android is only available on 59 worldwide.

Apple could sell an iTurd? Apple makes mistakes. Remember the Newton? Or most likely you don't. The Motorola ROKR, the PiPPIN, the MAC TV? Even Apple's bad products don't sell. People are not fools.

Apple is the market leader in innovation, but not normally the leader in market share. Look at the PC world vs the Mac computer OS world.

I think this is the origin of the Fanboy's lament. The iPhone series looked like for once the market innovator might also become and hold onto the market share. Now that is in question due to Android popularity (but in the US, it seems that Blackberry is losing people moving to Android, not Apple losing people to Android...on average). But popularity is not always an indicator of quality. Certainly many of those 80 Androids are pretty plain vanilla phones.

I like Apple because of its engineering quality and I like supporting innovation. But I certainly accept that it may not become the overall market leader in OS sales, because they will not license the OS to other hardware mgfr's. But that is why they make great products.

So CNN (and Consumer Reports) can harp on the antennagate issue, but it is hard to knock a great phone in the sum total of it's features and design...and the consumers are supporting that with there wallets.
 
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This comment keeps coming back and all it does is show a massive reading comprehension fail on the part of the people posting it. It's not the Phone in general that's labeled a fail, it's the antenna story from this summer. Apple PR reacted badly at first and then decided spin, denial and defamation were good tactics to calm the issue down.

I would agree with you 100% on that with one exception. The top ten fail list was with regard to technology, not PR, spin, denial or defamation.
 
Hell, you could place a thin metal pin across the seam and it would lose signal.

exactly, there is a vid that shows a guy simply placing a key on the phone across the gap and the signal drop all the way down to nothing
 
My iPhone 4 does not suffer from this antenna issue. Calls are clear and have never dropped, and 3G is fast and reliable. No matter how I hold it. At least in my area.
 
My iPhone 4 does not suffer from this antenna issue. Calls are clear and have never dropped, and 3G is fast and reliable. No matter how I hold it. At least in my area.

Download the speedtest app and watch how your data speeds are affected, especially the upload speed.
 
The antena issue has been fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I decided to re test my iphone without a case in the death grip that usually lead to no reception within minuets!

I tested it all night and couldn't get it to fail. I think they have increased the antenna power as my battery seems to be draining faster and the iphone was getting warm!!!!!!!

But still it kept reception!! Im binning all my cases !! At last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Tested under the exact same conditions 3 months ago)!
 
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I love in this video a couple of minutes in the guy is holding the phone in his left hand and the longer he holds it there, the less signal he has, around 3:05 in he has barely one bar, but again, there is clearly no issue when holding it in your left hand :rolleyes:

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTgEfsGOXA
 
Let's get a couple of things clear here.

1- There is no such thing as an iPhone 4 that doesn't have the antenna issue.
2- Apple never fixed the iPhone 4's antenna. Week 1 has the same antenna as week 30.
3- It's not a software problem, and it doesn't only occur in low-signal areas. It occurs everywhere and it's a hardware problem.

There are a lot of things an iPhone 4 does well. Being a phone is not one of them, funnily enough.
 
This is mental masturbation left best for boarders and bloggers.

The bottom line is $$$. Iphone 4, in terms of business, was the opposite of failure. And don't kid yourself..... that's all that matters, here. Not endless pages of pontification and conjecture.

I was all set to buy the iPhone4 but decided to wait and ended up deciding to wait for the next one...After I read reviews. Before I buy, I wait and research. I want the product to perform Exactly as promised.
 
Let's get a couple of things clear here.

1- There is no such thing as an iPhone 4 that doesn't have the antenna issue.
2- Apple never fixed the iPhone 4's antenna. Week 1 has the same antenna as week 30.
3- It's not a software problem, and it doesn't only occur in low-signal areas. It occurs everywhere and it's a hardware problem.

There are a lot of things an iPhone 4 does well. Being a phone is not one of them, funnily enough.

What you said is correct, except the part I put in bold and blue above. From repeated tests, when the signal is above a certain dBm (-78 to -40 roughly), bridging or gripping the gap has NO loss on signal or reduced data speeds. Yes, it is a hardware problem, but its affect is dependent on signal strength.

This is why so many unscientific user observations are scattered, and a lot of 'he said, she said'.

And if you don't bridge the dreaded 1mm gap, the external antenna out performs the 3GS antenna. So don't do that, or use a case, and it performs as a phone very well. It is true that what happens on the iP4 is worst than any other phone that I've measured. But avoiding that area (or using a case), the antenna outperforms most others. (hold a match the right way, and you will not get burned).
 
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What you said is correct, except the part I put in bold and blue above. From repeated tests, when the signal is above a certain dBm (-78 to -40 roughly), bridging or gripping the gap has NO loss on signal or reduced data speeds. Yes, it is a hardware problem, but its affect is dependent on signal strength.

This is why so many unscientific user observations are scattered, and a lot of 'he said, she said'.

And if you don't bridge the dreaded 1mm gap, the external antenna out performs the 3GS antenna. So don't do that, or use a case, and it performs as a phone very well. It is true that what happens on the iP4 is worst than any other phone that I've measured. But avoiding that area (or using a case), the antenna outperforms most others. (hold a match the right way, and you will not get burned).
You lose signal regardless of signal strength. Sorry.
 
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What you said is correct, except the part I put in bold and blue above. From repeated tests, when the signal is above a certain dBm (-78 to -40 roughly), bridging or gripping the gap has NO loss on signal or reduced data speeds. Yes, it is a hardware problem, but its affect is dependent on signal strength.

This is why so many unscientific user observations are scattered, and a lot of 'he said, she said'.

And if you don't bridge the dreaded 1mm gap, the external antenna out performs the 3GS antenna. So don't do that, or use a case, and it performs as a phone very well. It is true that what happens on the iP4 is worst than any other phone that I've measured. But avoiding that area (or using a case), the antenna outperforms most others. (hold a match the right way, and you will not get burned).
You lose signal regardless of signal strength. Sorry.

No reason to be sorry. You are just wrong.
 
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