Oops...This story is probably going to dredge up all of the old arguments pro and against the iPhone. That said, here is mine: I always use a case with every phone I buy. There is more to a case on your iPhone than possible antenna interference. Like that without my case the 20+ drops on concrete and other hard surfaces may have destroyed my phone. However, I do know plenty of people that prefer to carry their phones sans case, so I do understand your position. Personally, my favorite thing about owning the iPhone 4 is the lack of dropped calls. Previous iPhone: 6-10 dropped calls a day, especially at home. Current iPhone 4: maybe one a week. Now thats improvement.
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iPhone 4 Antenna Issues and Ping Rank Among Top 'Tech Fails' for 2010
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Oops...This story is probably going to dredge up all of the old arguments pro and against the iPhone. That said, here is mine: I always use a case with every phone I buy. There is more to a case on your iPhone than possible antenna interference. Like that without my case the 20+ drops on concrete and other hard surfaces may have destroyed my phone. However, I do know plenty of people that prefer to carry their phones sans case, so I do understand your position. Personally, my favorite thing about owning the iPhone 4 is the lack of dropped calls. Previous iPhone: 6-10 dropped calls a day, especially at home. Current iPhone 4: maybe one a week. Now thats improvement.
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First they said no issue, then yes there is an issue. Then we will give free cases, then we won't give free cases anymore. Then putting those stupid videos showing other phones have the same problem, etc. etc. It was just dumb the way they handled it IMO.
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How? They killed the issue with free cases. Otherwise, the media wouldn't shut up. It also fixed the problem that like 5 users had
First they said no issue, then yes there is an issue. Then we will give free cases, then we won't give free cases anymore. Then putting those stupid videos showing other phones have the same problem, etc. etc. It was just dumb the way they handled it IMO.
most newer cars do not lock the wheel when you turn the key back one notch (the ACC position). noted that some older cars have the ACC position below the off/lock position (that is when its bad to turn the motor off) because it will lock the wheel. why do you think that most newer cars have a dual ACC position or a single ACC position after the off/lock position ?
you still have reserve braking power with the emergency brake and some power left in the brake pedal (reserve vacuum). With the car rolling you still can use the wheel (its when you are stopped is when the wheel is hard to move), granted its really stiff but not so much to where you cant steer with it.
what happens when you loose power when going down the highway. you have to steer somehow thats why you can still move the wheel, and why there is still usable braking power left in the brake pedal (that's why you ride the brake instead of pumping) because you only have like 1 or 2 presses before the brake pedal gets really hard to press.
Things change slightly with a standard shift because you can still use the gears to help with stopping (engine braking).
You pick up a thing or two with experience, and or classes that teach you how to deal with these kinds of situations.
You do know that you run the risk of jamming the parking ratchet or breaking or bend the parking pin doing that, it does not matter what year the car is (new or old). that click click click you are hearing is the parking pin being slammed in and over the teeth of the parking gear. i have had to replace way to many transmissions because of people doing this because they lost their brakes or put it in park while still moving, some of them broke the housing, some just needed to have the parking ratchet replaced.
but anyways back on topic.
yeah i see the iP4 antenna issue as a design fail, and the way that Apple handled the issue as a fail, not saying that the iP4 was a failure itself because it has good sales numbers to say otherwise. but the reason you dont see many complaints about it anymore is because people have their iP4s covered by the rubber bumper that stops this from happening. but as soon as the bumper is removed the issue is still there. plus you don't see the media mentioning it is because its old news and why beat a dead horse because the rubber bumper solves the issue with a band aid.
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Wow
Look sorry to be a bit brash.. but would some of you please read up a little?
It has been tested and proven
..that iPhone 4 suffers from above normal/excessive signal attenuation problems... due to a user being able to bridge the antennae very easily, due to its 'cool engineering' on the outside of the phone.
Now as has been covered many times already; THIS DOES NOT MEAN all iPhone4s wont work, or that its not possible that you and all your friends dont have problems with it, while others do.
Attenuation is just that, reduction in signal strength.
So If you look at the stats for iPhone 4 posted above, its 19DB while held naturally.
So if youre in an area with 100DB, and lose roughly 20DB= 80DB available signal= "I'm all good.. my friends and my iP4 works just fine...this was blown up by the haters and paid media schills..... etc"
However if youre only getting 30DB (or worse), and hold your iphone naturally and lose 20DB= 10 DB signal (or worse), then youre obviously more likely to drop calls.
Look sorry to be a bit brash.. but would some of you please read up a little?
It has been tested and proven
..that iPhone 4 suffers from above normal/excessive signal attenuation problems... due to a user being able to bridge the antennae very easily, due to its 'cool engineering' on the outside of the phone.
Now as has been covered many times already; THIS DOES NOT MEAN all iPhone4s wont work, or that its not possible that you and all your friends dont have problems with it, while others do.
Attenuation is just that, reduction in signal strength.
So If you look at the stats for iPhone 4 posted above, its 19DB while held naturally.
So if youre in an area with 100DB, and lose roughly 20DB= 80DB available signal= "I'm all good.. my friends and my iP4 works just fine...this was blown up by the haters and paid media schills..... etc"
However if youre only getting 30DB (or worse), and hold your iphone naturally and lose 20DB= 10 DB signal (or worse), then youre obviously more likely to drop calls.
When did they say no issue? And they announced that the free case thing will expire later. There really is no problem but they have to quiet people with free cases until it settles down.
The iPhone 4 itself was over hyped. The iPad was over hyped. Everything Apple does is over hyped.
Thank goodness for sites like this, to help squash that "hype".
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Aaa Steve even made a dumb comment. "Hold your phone in a different way". I guess you did not know his famous comment.
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Aaa Steve even made a dumb comment. "Hold your phone in a different way". I guess you did not know his famous comment.
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great list - google tv should be at the top with the white iPhone.
Ping? Lol
great list - google tv should be at the top with the white iPhone.
Ping? Lol
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Goes to show it's apples fault here
Baseband and chipset
Great article how apple f'd att with the chipset
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Goes to show it's apples fault here
Baseband and chipset
Great article how apple f'd att with the chipset
well i must admit, my iPhone 4 signal has been pretty bad. looking forward to the verizon iPhone
maybe that that's a real issue? sheesh
more like apple's PR department had a success. doesn't mean there isn't actually an issue.
probably cause the .1mW your phone is transmitting can't make it past your hand over the antenna
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Modern transmissions will not allow the pawl to engage while the car is in motion. Older transmissions, yes, but anything made past the mid 90's does not allow it to engage.
The click, click, click is from a partially extended pawl skipping off the gear.
I agree, it "can" cause damage, but it's very rare.
As for the Prius, you can throw it in Park all day long and it will do nothing.. same with reverse.
The linkage is electronically controlled, not mechanical. The cars computer will only beep at you if you throw it in park at any speed.
i really cant understand the point of ping. I still think more people steel music than buy it from itunes. And this list has gotten me thinking. Somebody should make a top ten apple fail list. I think at the top of the list would be something like the newton, not either of these two issues.
There was a suggestion that the On/Off button should recognize a rapid succession of presses as Off as well, as this is in fact what many people fall back to intuitively when they try and turn something off in an emergency; i.e., no immediate response, press again.
Few people actually read manuals, so engineering should take that into account for vehicle operation. Similarly and at speed, it is quite possible for a high HP engine to overwhelm the brake system. This is why European cars have a mode to reduce engine power under braking, albeit that screws up handbrake turns for those that are into that sort of thing. EDIT (ABS plays hell with handbrake turns anyway).
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I still haven't met anyone with an iPhone 4 that has had the antenna "issue". They love their phone and they don't know what to make of the media.
That should be in the category of "epic fail that wasn't".
Ping seems lame but it's kinda of early. Not interested in it myself but then I never got into lastfm
if this article had been written in 2001, I'm pretty sure like everyone else who are apparent experts they would have had the iPod on the list as well HA HA.
Still I do have to agree 3D-TV is going nowhere, its fatally flawed by the fact that you have to use 3D glasses all the time, its going to get frustrating for the average consumer, the only place I can see this technology working is better developed technology for people watch films at the cinema. I bet this fad will be over as quickly as it started over 2011.
My mate recently got a 55'' LED Samsung 3D TV having tried it out sure its great, but to me its still just a marketing gimmick, and its not going to last.
Still I do have to agree 3D-TV is going nowhere, its fatally flawed by the fact that you have to use 3D glasses all the time, its going to get frustrating for the average consumer, the only place I can see this technology working is better developed technology for people watch films at the cinema. I bet this fad will be over as quickly as it started over 2011.
My mate recently got a 55'' LED Samsung 3D TV having tried it out sure its great, but to me its still just a marketing gimmick, and its not going to last.
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Am I the only one that sees something wrong with Apple, most likely knowingly, releasing one of their flagship products, the iPhone 4, with a flaw like the antennagate? That represents a pretty big fail to me.
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Nope, wrong. Used mine for a few months with no case and had no problems at all. Gave it the grip of death, covered the gap, and so on... no change. It works. I've got a case now, because it was free. It runs the same with or without the case. I find it strange that some people are so insistent that this so-called issue affects all iPhone 4s, despite literally millions of peoples' experiences to the contrary. It's bizarre. Fascinating, but bizarre.
OK, hear this then.
I love my iPhone4. But it has the worst reception of any phone I've ever owned. In my house, it gets only one signal-bar. If its on a good day and I'm standing next to one of our huge windows I might get two. If its on a bad day calls are dropped constantly.
My first Nokia, my first Samsung and my SonyEricsson all had full signal bars and no problems whatsoever. My wifes SonyEricsson also has full signal. Always.
And no, I don't live in the middle of nowhere. I live in the middle of Copenhagen. And I'm using the official Apple bumper.
I still love my iPhone4 though. But I've told my wife to wait until the next one.
Antennagate is alive and kicking.
Nice try but no cigar.
If it wasn't obvious that Stevie Boy exacerbated the problem and therefore fueled the fire, well...
Thing with an iPhone 4 and the antenna is that it usually gets better reception...
..if you're not holding it, or if you have a case on, which defeats the point of getting it to use as a phone. There's no such thing as an iPhone 4 that doesn't suffer from the antenna issue. Sorry fanboys, but it will always reduce the signal quite a bit. I've seen some people go "hurr durr but the old Nokia phones had big antennas and people didnt complain." Yeah well, people didn't hold the phone upside down like a popsicle. The problem with the iPhone 4 is that an entire side of the phone is rendered untouchable otherwise you lose signal. That right there is a big fail. I mean, come on, people noticed this on day one. Apple are saying they tested the phone with their big fancy facilities and they never noticed anything? Regardless of how well it sold, the iPhone 4's design is a nightmare and indeed a tech fail.
..if you're not holding it, or if you have a case on, which defeats the point of getting it to use as a phone. There's no such thing as an iPhone 4 that doesn't suffer from the antenna issue. Sorry fanboys, but it will always reduce the signal quite a bit. I've seen some people go "hurr durr but the old Nokia phones had big antennas and people didnt complain." Yeah well, people didn't hold the phone upside down like a popsicle. The problem with the iPhone 4 is that an entire side of the phone is rendered untouchable otherwise you lose signal. That right there is a big fail. I mean, come on, people noticed this on day one. Apple are saying they tested the phone with their big fancy facilities and they never noticed anything? Regardless of how well it sold, the iPhone 4's design is a nightmare and indeed a tech fail.