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A more realistic cause would be that bridging the gap presents a sudden RF mismatch which sends the firmware into fits. It is realistic to believe that the total signal dropout occurs because the iPhone software is TELLING it to dropout while looking for a different channel with less attenuation.

I agree with you that software can't change the laws of physics, but I also agree with iphonetester in that the relationship between hardware and software is being blurred and software CAN have a huge effect on RF performance.

I can agree with that as well. A sudden RF mismatch, where different freqs. affect each other, can produce almost any type RF degradation. As far as their firmware looking for different cellular freqs/channels to deal with the signal degradation when bridging the gap, it definately has an effect on the phone. That's probably why other manufacturers never produced a phone with this type of external antenna design. Even with coating the sides (like any case) will only reduce the effect.

I would love to see the software fix eliminate the reception problem, but I fear it will only give a false sense of security to the end user. The original antenna design will still be an issue.
 
I'm just surprised that everyone except Apple has made remarks about this. Those of you who are in disagreement of the CNET article, you can disagree all you want, CNET has a proven name in the consumer electronics field and even if they are wrong, it will have a huge effect on the market.

I still can't believe Apple is promoting on their home page. All they need is to ship more phones with this issue for a bigger backlash.
 
People love their iPhones, they want them to work perfectly and "NO" they don't want to get somethin else. The end.

That's too bad, because Apple's solution is for you to RETURN THE PHONE. Even if you just use something else temporarily then buy a rev B iPhone 4 later. What WON'T happen is you keep the phone and then expect Apple to do something about it later. A class action lawsuit won't work, they are offering to buy the phone back from you. A recall won't happen since there are already 2+ million of them out there and probably another 1+ million in the supply chain. If the current phone isn't working perfectly for you then RETURN THE PHONE, it is the only choice you have if you won't put a case on it and can't live with its imperfection.
 
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That's too bad, because Apple's solution is for you to RETURN THE PHONE. Even if you just use something else temporarily then buy a rev B iPhone 4 later. What WON'T happen is you keep the phone and then expect Apple to do something about it later. A class action lawsuit won't work, they are offering to buy the phone back from you. A recall won't happen since there are already 2+ million of them out there and probably another 1+ million in the supply chain. If the current phone isn't working perfectly for you then RETURN THE PHONE, it is the only choice you have if you won't put a case on it and can't live with its imperfection.
 
Are you serious.....Why should I have to buy an accesory for something that is advertised as a WORKING PHONE.....hell it even has it in the name i"phone"

I agree. It's a phone. It should work as such for every customer. Upon purchase of a phone, one should not have to purchase extra accessories to be able to use the phone feature. If it is a software problem, than apple will fix it. If not, than I do believe apple should offer to replace the defective units with a working unit.

This coming from an iPhone 4 user who has not experienced this problem.
 
I'm sorry but I feel that you are just totally and completely wrong.

Apple don't "need" to fix it.
iPhones are not some sort of legal right.
You don't have to like it.
You don't have to use it.
You don't have to own one.
If it doesn't work how you would like it to, then don't buy it.
It's not that difficult.

$0.02


So according to your philosophy on the issue Toyota shouldnt of issued recalls either?

jzuena, it really doesn't matter how many are out there man... Look at all the baby products that get recalled. Look at the past recalls on food. Look at toyotas recall. I'm sure there's more of those driving around than iPhones in peoples hands.
 
So according to your philosophy on the issue Toyota shouldnt of issued recalls either?

jzuena, it really doesn't matter how many are out there man... Look at all the baby products that get recalled. Look at the past recalls on food. Look at toyotas recall. I'm sure there's more of those driving around than iPhones in peoples hands.

You are talking about products with safety issues. They are not comparable. And Apple allows you to return the phone for the full refund.
 
Apart from a few reports on so called tech blogs and websites I have not seen any irrefutable evidence that it is either a hardware or software problem. Hence I suggest we wait for an official response before we all go stir crazy.

You haven't looked in the right place, it's really just antenna theory and math. Any ham radio operator will tell you that any given frequency has an optimal antenna length. In vacuum, if I recall correctly the formula is L=300/f where L is length in meters, f is frequency in MHz. If it's too long or too short, reception falls off and power from the transmitter is reflected back to the transmitter in the form of standing waves. The ratio of power sent to power reflected is the Standing Wave Ratio or SWR. The worse the mismatch of the antenna to the operating frequency, the higher the SWR until it reaches, for practical intents and purposes, infinity where all the sent power is reflected back and, conversely, there's no reception at all. If the power is high enough and components sensitive enough, you can burn out the transmitter with a mismatched antenna.

Now, the operating frequency of a cellphone is pretty high and a half wave dipole, for example, is measured in centimeters (this being opposed to, say, AM radio frequencies which are low and their antenna lengths are measured in 10s or 100s of meters). When you bridge that gap in the band, you just added a long stretch of metal to the antenna, given the operating frequency, which detunes it to where there's almost no reception and the SWR goes through the roof. You can "death grip" it or lay it on a table an bridge it with a wire, not even touching it with your hand, the effect is the same. Further, obviously your hand conducts electricity or it wouldn't be possible to be electrocuted. Therefore, your hand bridges the gap and the antenna is detuned.

I'm hardly going "stir crazy" about it, I simply think Apple needs to own up and properly fix the phones. They aren't cheap, they come with an expensive 2 year contract and all Apple needs to do is replace the metal band with an identical metal band coated with some non-conducting material that won't easily flake or chip. It's that simple. A better way would be to replace it with a hollow, plastic band and, inside that, use insulated copper strips as the antennas. That would allow for an external antenna for superior reception while protecting the antennas and keeping the capacitive effect of the hand at a minimum. The reason I keep posting this is because there are three issues and people confuse them or flat out lie, if they're not too busy acting like a 6 year old throwing a tantrum, that is. But it's nothing more than antenna theory and math that's been around for a long, long time.

One other thing I've pointed out elsewhere is that there are actually three different issues at play:

1. What I described above. This is the one Apple denies because it's a potentially very expensive hardware problem and the reason Consumer Reports gave the phone a failing grade. Unless you have perfect reception to start with, if you bridge the gap in the band, the cell signals disappear entirely.

2. Almost any cellphone can be detuned to some degree by the capacitive effect of your hand. I assume this is the "death grip" everyone posts about but it's NOT the same as #1. Usually cellphone antennas are already so poor this effect doesn't make a lot of difference. It might cause the phone to drop a couple bars but unless reception was poor to start with, you don't drop calls.

3. Apple's magic formula it uses for displaying reception bars on the screen. It doesn't make any sense to me, previous iPhones show better reception when, in fact, they're worse than the iPhone 4. I figure Apple just kind of made this one up in hopes customers accepted it as an excuse for #1 which, obviously, failed miserably. It also won't effect where, when or how you use your phone in any way.

If you can't believe someone with almost 40 years of experience designing and using antennas, find a testing lab or an amateur radio operator of at least General class (they have to know this stuff to pass the tests required to obtain their license), take the cellphone with you and ask someone to show you what I just explained. If they have any decent test equipment, especially an o-scope, it's simple.
 
Where AT&T in all this ? Apple isn't the only to blame

Yes, Apple designed the phone, it's their problem. The only place AT&T factors in at all is that they also sell them. The only difference with AT&T between the day before the iPhone 4 went on sale and the day after is the load on their system and that doesn't cause your reception to drop because of how you hold the phone. So yes, Apple and only Apple is to blame.

One last thing...if you put the phone in a case, eliminating problems 1 and 2, you may notice that reception is actually noticeably superior to any previous iPhone. Personally, I can stay on the phone as long as I'd like with the new iPhone where before, for two years, not one phone could hold a call for more than 5 minutes despite the fact that they displayed better reception. That's why I list #3 as a phantom problem made up by Apple. It makes no sense. And I'm not even factoring in what the iPad 3G displays. Requiring a case to simply use your phone is not a solution.
 
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