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i don't know if anyone mentioned this before but could this issue played a PART at the loading problems during Steve's announcement of iPhone 4? Apple said it was WiFi issues due to all those other WiFi and MiFi's in the room BUT the 3GS managed to upload the page even if it did it slow. iPhone 4 never made it. Could it be that Steve was holding the "dead zone"?

Brilliant. Yes. You are the first person I've heard mention this and I think it's definitely possible.

I told a good friend last night what I thought happened with Apple. When the stock market hit its lows last year, Apple's stock was around $75. It got as high as the $270's recently before pulling back. Couple that with the superhigh analyst expectations for everything from the iphone4 and the pad and I believe they are aiming to please analyst expectations at the expense of releasing quality products that are properly tested. Miss analyst expectations - by not selling your millionth phone in a certain time period, for example - and the stock will take a drubbing. Since most of their net worth is tied up in Apple stock, especially for Steve, and you can see they have an incentive. For those of us who have been in corporate (hell), I can imagine how hard-charging the MBA types have become, likely at the expense of the engineers who actually build these things. I suspect their voices have become drowned out as the MBA "team leaders" try ever harder to push for tighter deadlines and not missing product launches.

Don't believe me? The white iphone has been delayed a month. Imagine what would have happened if they had delayed the black one too. No iphone 4 for another month. Analysts would have gone ballistic, the stock would drop, momentum would at least temporarily wane, and what do they do? Release it, major flaws and all, and tell us to suck it up and hold it different. No thanks, Apple.
 
Same problem in the UK on Orange however the results varies dependant on what connection you have.

I'm in my UK office and can see the network transponder so have full 3G signal confirmed with iphone2g and iPhone3g

Hold the left hand side, signal starts to drop the 3G falls and 1 bar of GPRS remains

However get onto a transponder that does not support 3G and the signal will fail and go into NO SERVICE

Personally I think this is software related however hopefully soon Apple may make a formal statement (not the Jobbs email reply, thats plain bad)

Hopefully, that takes AT&T out of the equation for you guys in the US
 
I'm disappointed that no one here has bothered to try out one of the new Belkin or Griffin Technology iPhone 4 compatible cases to see if that cures the problem.
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That is unless these cases are yet to be available at retailers.
 
No big deal. Just wear gloves like Michael Jackson.

-Steve noJob

Sent from my Android V2 phone
 
I'm disappointed that no one here has bothered to try out one of the new Belkin or Griffin Technology iPhone 4 compatible cases to see if that cures the problem.
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That is unless these cases are yet to be available at retailers.

I have both the Griffin Reveal and the Belkin Vue, and can attest that both fix the issue in my iPhone 4. Basically, anything that acts as an insulating barrier between the antennas and your hand will fix the issue. This reinforces, at least in my opinion, that Apple knew of this issue before hand and developed the Bumpers to fix it. I did find it odd when Apple announced their own "case", as they have never made cases before, and in fact Jobs has always seemed to me to dislike them covering his pretty devices anyway.
 
This is clearly a hardware issue, I honestly don't know how they're going to fix this. I am simply physically touching the phone making the signal drop, and putting the bumper on makes it semi ok. I can't see any software update rectifying this problem.

The other big issue is when the signal starts dropping, the phone will start searching for the signal harder hence killing the battery life of the phone. I've been noticing my battery have been losing charge very fast.

I'm going to exchange it out for another one today since some people on this board is not able to duplicate this issue (maybe i have a bad batch?!), if im still able to duplicate the issue I'm returning it.
 
Day 2

Second day with iPhone 4

Wifi signals still impress and getting 3G in areas previously I struggled but signal characteristics of new phone are different from old.

An interesting observation. Would be interested on others commenting. The grip of death does result on mine in loss of signal bars but it never goes no signal. However I have found that if I do the grip of death and let the bars drop but keeping the grip use my right hand to make a call, then the call goes through and when I lift the phone to my ear the bars start to increase.

It's as if the touching of the ear starts reversing the problem. Anyone else seeing this?
 
This is clearly a hardware issue, I honestly don't know how they're going to fix this. I am simply physically touching the phone making the signal drop, and putting the bumper on makes it semi ok. I can't see any software update rectifying this problem.

The other big issue is when the signal starts dropping, the phone will start searching for the signal harder hence killing the battery life of the phone. I've been noticing my battery have been losing charge very fast.

I'm going to exchange it out for another one today since some people on this board is not able to duplicate this issue (maybe i have a bad batch?!), if im still able to duplicate the issue I'm returning it.

Very possible, since I haven't been able to replicate the bar-drop issues, not did my screen come with yellow blotches. I've spoken to several people already and they could hear me very, very well.
 
I have both the Griffin Reveal and the Belkin Vue, and can attest that both fix the issue in my iPhone 4. Basically, anything that acts as an insulating barrier between the antennas and your hand will fix the issue. This reinforces, at least in my opinion, that Apple knew of this issue before hand and developed the Bumpers to fix it. I did find it odd when Apple announced their own "case", as they have never made cases before, and in fact Jobs has always seemed to me to dislike them covering his pretty devices anyway.

Thanks for the good response.
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Boy, is this going to drive sales of iPhone 4 cases really quick until Apple decides to fix the problem with an update to iOS 4.0. Then watch the problem become the reverse, where putting on the case worsens reception. :rolleyes:
 
These are my findings from another forum I post on, feel free to pull them apart as you see fit.

Here are my findings from some experimentation, based on being at home last night and at work now. I live and work in Bristol, South West England. Work is a 10 minute walk from home, so I am probably using the same cell site at both locations. My phone is on 3's network.

Last night, when holding my iPhone, I experienced no issues with signal dropping. At work this morning, I did, while holding the phone in an identical manner. Now, my office is notorious for having a bad signal indoors, as we have tints on all the windows and bars across them for security. In other words, we are a pretty good Faraday cage. I held onto my phone in my office and saw the signal drop from full to none. I then walked outdoors, still holding the phone in the same way and the signal came back up to full. This happens when covering the outer edge of the iPhone in either a rubber band (similar to the Bumper) or paper from a post-it note.

So, my conclusions are this. Apple have pegged the signal strength meter on the iPhone very low (witness the lack of the engineering mode previously accessible by *3001#12345#*, which would tell us the actual received signal strength). There is no industry standard convention on phone signal strength displays correlating with actual received signal strength. Typically, phone signals vary from around -45 to -55dBm when stood right by a mast to -100dBm or worse when in poor coverage. Anything over -100dBm will be prone to dropped calls (I'm basing this on my experiences working with field engineers for Orange during my graduate training in the late 90's).

A manufacturer might decide that on their phone, anything better than -65dBm is full strength, -75dBm to -65dBm is 4 bars, -85dBm to -75dBm is 3 bars, etc, but it is purely arbitrary - there is no defined standard. What I suspect Apple have done is to peg their values much lower - perhaps they consider anything better than -85dBm to be full strength, whereas a Nokia or Sony Ericsson might show that as 3 bars of coverage.

So, my iPhone could be showing good coverage, even though it is only average in reality. I then pick up my iPhone in my office and my hand adds 20dB of attenuation (for example). Suddenly, the actual field strength drops from -85dBm to -105dBm and the signal meter shows it plummeting and I get no signal. Yet outside, I might have -65dBm signal, I pick up the phone (adding 20dB of attenuation) and the signal drops to -85dBm, still above Apple's thresholds for a full signal.

I'm not excusing Apple's design in any way, as there is a reason the original mobile phones used to have their antenna at the top of the phone, where it wouldn't get blocked by a hand. What I am suggesting is that Apple are disguising the iPhone's lesser ability to retain a good signal (in layman's terms, it's a bit deaf), by setting the signal strength indicators on the phone unusually low in real terms.

n.b. all figures and values used in this illustration are purely arbitrary, I don't have the means to measure actual signal strengths or indeed how much attenuation the human hand adds, but it does explain why some people are not seeing the problem at all (they already have a good signal and their hand does not cause it to drop below Apple's threshold for full bars). It also explains why some people still see the problem when using bumpers - it's the hand holding the phone that causes the problem, not bridging the gap between the different antennae on the iPhone (I tested this by insulating the gaps between the antennae, it made no difference).
 
I have both the Griffin Reveal and the Belkin Vue, and can attest that both fix the issue in my iPhone 4. Basically, anything that acts as an insulating barrier between the antennas and your hand will fix the issue. This reinforces, at least in my opinion, that Apple knew of this issue before hand and developed the Bumpers to fix it. I did find it odd when Apple announced their own "case", as they have never made cases before, and in fact Jobs has always seemed to me to dislike them covering his pretty devices anyway.

Exactly, Apple has been pushing these bumpers pretty hard, which is unusual. I think they were well aware of this issue.
 
Very possible, since I haven't been able to replicate the bar-drop issues, not did my screen come with yellow blotches. I've spoken to several people already and they could hear me very, very well.

where are you located? I'm located in Baltimore Maryland. Anyone else from Baltimore MD having this issue?
 
im currently at the apple store right now getting my iPhone 4 swapped out. Hopefully the new one won't have any problems. Wish me luck.
 
They're selling bumpers because they knew about this issue.

and let me just say, the bumpers are pretty cool actually. from a guy who doesn't really like phone cases. i got no problem with it.

ALSO, many people have guffawed at apple's/steve's statement implying that iphone 4 owners should change they way they hold the phone. there are many, many seminal products in history that have asked users to adjust the way they interact with that class of item to ultimately deliver a superior experience. the most salient example of this in my mind personally is the leica rangefinder camera - which steve referenced as a design influence on the new phone - when i first used one, the leica M4, made in 1968, brilliant camera, still my favorite, i had to learn a new way of holding a camera. i was used to holding nikons and olympus slrs, this needed a new grip... i got used to the leica rapidly, and it quickly became 2nd nature and very effective. fwiw.
 
uh oh

I thought this oddly appropriate in a nonsequitor sort of way.

Someone with talent may want to redo before it meme's it's way around.
 

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I've been using mine since yesterday and haven't noticed a problem with it at all. I love my new phone!

Same here, as with many others.

So far, those I know who received one yesterday have no reception or discoloration problems.

Lets hope that future shipments will be more thoroughly inspected for 'antenna coatings' and excessive residue.
 
This may be the case but it's unforgivable if it is true that Apple counted on people using cases and didn't disclose this antenna issue ahead of time.

They also forgot to disclose that it stops function when penetrated by a .22 caliber bullet at only 10 yards range.
 
I know my place in life - my wife told me to queue.

...

Issues get sorted but component batches vary and problems still persist well after launch, so you may as well jump in at the deep end - if your wife tells you to!!

Plenty of other women out there!
 
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