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While I'm thinking about it... let's discuss t-mobile, shall we?

If deutsche telekom is so freaking awesome in europe, then why the hell can't they get a real 3G network in the US?

BECAUSE IT'S FREAKING EXPENSIVE.

I'm not saying the US doesn't have screwed up network policies or regulations. I agree. All I'm saying is people fail to realize how spread out the U.S. is.

I have to agree here. The U.S. is in the unique role of being HUGE and trying to be on the cutting edge with wireless networks, which isn't easy. Japan, for instance, has a tiny landmass making network deployment easier and cheaper (similar to Euro countries). This seems to be the greatest reason why technologies in these countries are more advanced.

Now if the EU had to standardize on one network by virtually one carrier, I wonder how the development rate would compare to the US?

But I also agree with the fact that US regulatory policies are at times barriers for advancement.
 
I have to agree here. The U.S. is in the unique role of being HUGE and trying to be on the cutting edge with wireless networks, which isn't easy. Japan, for instance, has a tiny landmass making network deployment easier and cheaper (similar to Euro countries). This seems to be the greatest reason why technologies in these countries are more advanced.

Now if the EU had to standardize on one network by virtually one carrier, I wonder how the development rate would compare to the US?

But I also agree with the fact that US regulatory policies are at times barriers for advancement.

Yes, but like sjo said a while back, why isn't t-mobile and other carriers equip the metropolitan regions with the latest and the greatest?
I seen reason to actually have 14 mb/s networks in some outback city in the middle of montana.
New york isn't that large, it would be easy to cover that area with the latest that umts can offer...
 
Yes, but like sjo said a while back, why isn't t-mobile and other carriers equip the metropolitan regions with the latest and the greatest?
I seen reason to actually have 14 mb/s networks in some outback city in the middle of montana.
New york isn't that large, it would be easy to cover that area with the latest that umts can offer...

Cost i'd imagine. They have to know that they can recoup the initial outlay of the licence, and all the hardware, by people paying to use the network. America is in the middle stages of that happening, with different networks at different stages.
 
Your getting a name and a generation mixed up.

Nothing about 4G networking, 4th generation...I was just stating that the next iPhone would be the 3G...third generation...the third iPhone. The current iPhone set to release on Friday...will be called iPhone 3G, it will be the second generation.

No, I'm not. I'm clarifying the naming conventions for everyone else.

Your second bit brings that naming convention into question. Hey! Thread starter! Did you mean for your iPhone mockup to be the third-gen iPhone with fourth-gen wireless (that's my guess) or the fourth-gen iPhone with whatever wireless?
 
Yes, but like sjo said a while back, why isn't t-mobile and other carriers equip the metropolitan regions with the latest and the greatest?
I seen reason to actually have 14 mb/s networks in some outback city in the middle of montana.
New york isn't that large, it would be easy to cover that area with the latest that umts can offer...

NY is fairly large and more so fairly thin in population in some areas. When people hear about NY they often think of the sewer called New York City, there is much more to the state than that location.

As to high tech cell phone system adoption the issue here is vastly more complicated then many are trying to make out. The simple answer is lots of land mass and thin populations, which has already been offered up here. But I believe there is more to it than that, much of it social or cultural.

Number one cell technology just isn't widely accepted and certainly doesn't get a free ride in many locals. This can be seen in the opposition to cell tower installations, laws against the use of cell phones while driving and the negative opinions many have of public use of cell phones. America is slow to adopt advance cell technologies simply because there isn't a huge demand for it.

It is interesting that AT&T pushed hard to get the initial role out of 3G up in time for the iPhone 3G to début. To me this says that iPhone all by itself is creating demand for 3G technologies where little had been before. That still won't but 3G onto every AT&T tower in existence, but coverage has gotten much better. Now the question is will the demand driven by iPhone cause other operators besides AT&T to upgrade to later generation systems. I think the answer there is in the availability of a iPhone competitor to drive demand on those networks like iPhone does on AT&T's networks.

There is probably a lot more that goes into the social equation too. In America you could be seen as a needy, immature individual if you where tied to your phone for too much of the day.

Dave
 
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