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It appears that the antenna issue is that of a software fix and is not hardware-based. Apple will be releasing a new update (4.0.1) the early part of next week according to Apple Insider:

The fix is expected to address a issue in iOS 4 related to radio frequency calibration of the baseband.
 
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Reposted from another thread:

http://vimeo.com/11266224

I believe the Nokia N8 is going to be the phone to beat for video capture. This why I'm not getting a iPhone 4.

a professional shoot on perfect weather conditions staged for maximum effect... what did we learn? that Nokia can put together a good ad. So can apple. It's what people do with it that will tell the real tale. have fun waiting :)
 
Maybe Apple should have spent some time actually improving the cell antenna and a little less on the camera.

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I came here to learn more about the camera, not hear more drivel about the antenna. Mine makes great calls. No problem. Much better than the 3GS. and yes, even though I am right handed I hold the phone in my left hand.. so this drivel about lefties and the antenna perpetuated by people who havent even tested it for themselves... gah.
 
I came here to learn more about the camera, not hear more drivel about the antenna. Mine makes great calls. No problem. Much better than the 3GS. and yes, even though I am right handed I hold the phone in my left hand.. so this drivel about lefties and the antenna perpetuated by people who havent even tested it for themselves... gah.

Mass hysteria is amazing to watch isn't it? I used to think the internet would guarantee 'the truth would out' in so many ways. Sadly it is proving to be way too easily manipulated by those that understand how to do it.
 
Contrast can be ajusted on the fly (with a screen tap) and the guy who took the vid did not adjust when walking from a darker area to a lighter one, so most of the video turned out over exposed. Black levels on iPhone video look great when metered properly.

Oh, cool. I haven't played with one so I didn't know there were any adjustments to make. Good to know!
 
So far (from reading the overview) I haven't seen anything mention the "shakiness" issue. Everything might be great, but it's still really shaky. It doesnt matter if it beat the other phones in the other categories if the recording is all jittery. Not a good thing :(

I dare say, given that the iPhone 4 has the most motion sensing equipment of any mobile phone ever, they'll be able to correct that at a later date through software.
 
this is very exciting to hear. the only issue i have with my 3gs is the poor pictures it takes. can't wait to upgrade in the next few months :D

What?!? The 3GS takes great pictures.

Have you rubbed a pound of lard into the lens or something?
 
Tests may show this, but the 'my mega pixels are bigger than your mega pixels' crowd will still be unlikely to shut up....just like the giga hertz issue with PPC Gx versus Intel x86.
 
I know its people that know about lighting etc that create these great Nokia N8 videos but...

If you look at how the N8 shots in low light and compare this with what the Iphone 4G is capable of you have to admit that the shots from the N8 look better.

http://vimeo.com/12592676
 
Plus, you can always add deeper blacks in post. Can't go the other way. :)

Sorry, but that's ncorrect. You can never recover blown highlights, so you should underexpose to keep the highlights from blowing out. You CAN lift the detail out of blacks in post.
 
The article was worded to give emphasis to Apple. I did understand the sarcasm behind your comment. However, many manufacturers still want people to be fooled by the more mp is better concept, hence the 8 and 12 mp cameras in Android phones and Nokia phones.

More MP *IS* better *IF* your sensor is larger also which is exactly what Nokia have been doing in their phones for years and noticeably there wasn't a single Nokia (or SE) phone in Macworld's test.

It's a pretty stupid test if you leave out the manufacturers who actually have the camera part in their phone as a significant feature rather than just a tickbox on a list like Apple and HTC.
 
Well since the iPhone4 can't seem to make phone calls, at least it can be used as a reliable low end camera. Just below the $99 Flip.
 
Boy Genius Report has also performed a comparison of iPhone 4's HD video capabilities to those of Droid X, which both shoot in 720p. The report awarded top honors to Apple's iPhone 4, in part due to its superior framerate of 30 fps versus 24 fps for the Droid X.
That is complete ********. 24fps is superior. Period. Apple should at least give you the option to shoot 24fps.
 
Wrong Conclusion

Macworld's "judges" have no clue about photography.

The iPhone 4 photos are clearly over-exposed, which is impossible to fix in post.

The best photo camera overall of the phones is the Droid. The Samsung has decent exposure, but the balance is a bit off (but that's fixable in post).

On the other hand, according to the clips, the iPhone 4 is best overall for video.
 
That is complete ********. 24fps is superior. Period. Apple should at least give you the option to shoot 24fps.

Huh!!???

That's like saying 48mph is faster/better that 60mph. Do you have any data to support this insane claim of yours??
 
Reposted from another thread:

http://vimeo.com/11266224

I believe the Nokia N8 is going to be the phone to beat for video capture. This why I'm not getting a iPhone 4.
If you were really looking for video capture, why not get a small compact camera like the Sony HDR-TG5V? I have the HDR-TG1 (first model in the series) and I just love it. I took it with me to Japan and Vegas this spring and Honolulu/Los Angeles last summer. It takes decent photos and and great video.

Oh, wait.... you are just shilling for Nokia. I took a look at that video and I saw some pauses in the recording. The iPhone 4 is a better overall smartphone and I plan on buying an unlocked one later on this year directly from Apple in Vancouver.
 
Final Nail In Droid vs iPhone Decision

Definitely going with iPhone. :p

The Megapixel myth is the same sort of argument as the GHz myth...
 
Huh!!???

That's like saying 48mph is faster/better that 60mph. Do you have any data to support this insane claim of yours??

Yes, 30 FPS is faster than 24 FPS but in this case faster isn't necessarily better.

You can't think of FPS for movies in the same way that you think of FPS in video games or even stop-motion. Each frame is an exposure that is not instantaneous, but captures light over a fraction of a second. A slower frame-rate allows for longer exposures. And longer exposures produce a different look than shorter exposures. Firstly, a longer exposure collects more light (all else being equal) which means that less amplification is needed. This results in less noise (or grain in film). A longer exposure is "better" in the same way that a physically bigger sensor is... it collects more light.

A longer exposure also captures motion (blur), depending on what you're trying to do this may be a benefit or a disadvantage. 24fps is often described as "smooth" or "dreamy" and is used for movies and many prime-time dramas. 24fps is fast enough to not look "jerky" but very fast motion will look blurred. In certain cases this may be a disadvantage such as sports where you want to very sharply track very quickly moving items like hockey pucks.

I was very happy and surprised to hear that Apple seems to understand and defend the concept that "better pixels" are more important than "more pixels". It's not a tragedy that the iPhone shoots only 30fps, it is a phone after all. But it is aggravating to see reviewers automatically favor cameras with 30fps over 24/25fps. This is the type of thing that has inspired the pixel-race and the possibility of people pushing for higher frame rates at the cost of lowered quality from tiny sensors in the future could end up being a tragedy.
 
Yes, 30 FPS is faster than 24 FPS but in this case faster isn't necessarily better.

You can't think of FPS for movies in the same way that you think of FPS in video games or even stop-motion. Each frame is an exposure that is not instantaneous, but captures light over a fraction of a second. A slower frame-rate allows for longer exposures. And longer exposures produce a different look than shorter exposures. Firstly, a longer exposure collects more light (all else being equal) which means that less amplification is needed. This results in less noise (or grain in film). A longer exposure is "better" in the same way that a physically bigger sensor is... it collects more light.

A longer exposure also captures motion (blur), depending on what you're trying to do this may be a benefit or a disadvantage. 24fps is often described as "smooth" or "dreamy" and is used for movies and many prime-time dramas. 24fps is fast enough to not look "jerky" but very fast motion will look blurred. In certain cases this may be a disadvantage such as sports where you want to very sharply track very quickly moving items like hockey pucks.

I was very happy and surprised to hear that Apple seems to understand and defend the concept that "better pixels" are more important than "more pixels". It's not a tragedy that the iPhone shoots only 30fps, it is a phone after all. But it is aggravating to see reviewers automatically favor cameras with 30fps over 24/25fps. This is the type of thing that has inspired the pixel-race and the possibility of people pushing for higher frame rates at the cost of lowered quality from tiny sensors in the future could end up being a tragedy.


Very good post! Thank you for the education. It does appear, however, to be a matter of choice depending on a circumstance. I'd much rather read posts that are informative rather than posts like the one I responded to from Skellener. Skellener, does the Droid X give the user the choice of 30fps?
 
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