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Weren't you making the point that the 1/2 stop difference between the two phones has a material effect on DOF? It sure seemed that way was you cited your various "problems" with the 4s.

And actually, I think you're rather missing the boat here. The problem with smartphone lens/sensors is that the DOF is TOO BIG, not too small. That is why there are third party software pgms for these phones to "simulate" OOF Background.

One goal has been to reduce DOF, and the only reasonable approach is to increase maximum aperture, as Apple did with the 4s.

From his posts it's clear he doesn't understand photography, just know how to google.
 
Is that so...? I am sure I read somewhere they hired the sbsettings dude... They were on a hacking community hiring spree a year back... I think they hired 3-4 atleast...

That is so. Only notification person they hired was MobileNotifier creator, Peter Hajas.
 
?? The sensor size on the 4s is way to small to cause OOF issues when taking group photos. There won't be any OOF shots unless the user and phone focus on the wrong area.

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I disagree. The DR is poor and the camera's metering blows highlights in most all shots where strong lighting is present. It's bokeh is not great. It's actually quite poor. Just look at it in this crop from Apple's own sample image. ISO 64 and it has noise artifacts everywhere not just the shadows. It clear they pushed the envelop with tonal contrast on the sensor to get the "punchy" images that mimic typical low end point and shoot cameras.

Bokeh should be round and smooth, not jaggy/oblong and it should be smooth radiating outward not looking like donut holes.

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Finally! Someone with an opinion contrary to mine who actually can back it up with cogent argument. :)

Bokeh is good or bad is relative, is it not? Bokeh on the 4s is better than my wife's 4, way better than my old 3gs, and to my eye much more pleasing than a SG2. Does it compare to the bokeh of my 7d/50mm f1.4EF setup? No, of course not, but at reasonable enlargements it certainly looks pleasant enough to me, and class leading to boot.

You're dead wrong about DR. Heck, I pointed my 4s directly at the setting sun and actually got a usable image without blown highlights or utterly crushed blacks. That Sony sensor currently leads the smartphone pack in measured DR, to the best of my knowledge, but undoubtedly the next great phone may take the mantle.

And of course you are spot on re DOF in group shots with small sensor cams. Lilo doesn't seem to have the most remote of clues when it comes to photography.

rt.
 
Two pics snapped with my SII. Picked the most colorful bird I could find that was ground level.

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