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No, you couldn't.

Hah oh man, I always say "couldn't care less" but I guess it's a combination of just having woken up and listening to a podcast recently where they were talking about "could care less" vs. "couldn't care less" and I think it scrambled my brains.

COULDN'T care less, yes. :eek:
 
No I thats the Galaxy SII and soon the Nexus Prime.

Its funny... The benchmarks so far are showing the 4S destroying the GSII but you're still looking at a spec sheet refusing to admit the truth.

We will see more benchmarks and tests to come but so far the 4S is handily whooping the competition.
 
Its funny... The benchmarks so far are showing the 4S destroying the GSII but you're still looking at a spec sheet refusing to admit the truth.

We will see more benchmarks and tests to come but so far the 4S is handily whooping the competition.

In GPU tests. The Sunspider benchmark is irrelevant as it is a test of software performance (notice the jump with just a move from iOS 4 to iOS 5. We're still not at a point where we can safely use these to compare pure CPU performance).

We don't know how well the A5's CPU portion compares to the rest of the SoCs out there since there seems to be no standardized benchmark suite that's multi-platform. So all we have are GPU tests, which is fine if you're into gaming.
 
ioverclock has done this for the iphone 4. some users reported gains others "just" lost battery life. i personally noticed a minor increase in performance in games and such.

people forget overclocking can go both ways. lower the clock rate (eco) or increase for max performance.

No, no one forgot. Overclocking goes one way and that is up.
Lowering the clock rate is underclocking, hence the terms over and under.
 
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How tech has evolved !! We talking about phones the same way we do about computers
 
As far as GPU performance goes, it seems so. Apple is the only implementor to have used the SGX543 series GPU in a phone to date and that seems to be the fastest GPU out there right now (Texas Instrument is planning to use the SGX544 in the 5x series of the OMAP SoCs and in the 4470 due out in Q1 2012, which are not out yet). Tegra 3 hasn't yet shipped and neither has Qalcomm released the new version of its Snapdragon SoC with the Adreno 220 series GPU.

It would be really nice to have actual CPU benchmarks though, to see how Apple's implementation of the Cortex A9 architecture stacks up against everyone else's.

(Are we having a discussion about specs here ?)

The Adreno 220 is in other products though. (The TouchPad has it). You are thinking of the Adreno 225 (and the 305/320 in 2012).
 
Hah oh man, I always say "couldn't care less" but I guess it's a combination of just having woken up and listening to a podcast recently where they were talking about "could care less" vs. "couldn't care less" and I think it scrambled my brains.

COULDN'T care less, yes. :eek:

Presumably this one?

Sorry if this is boring for the people who want to talk about the CPU speed of their phones. :p
 
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How tech has evolved !! We talking about phones the same way we do about computers

Actually, we're talking about computers. They just happen to have phone functionality. ;)

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The Adreno 220 is in other products though. (The TouchPad has it). You are thinking of the Adreno 225 (and the 305/320 in 2012).

You're right, after double checking, the Adreno 220 is even available in phones as part of the Snapdragon S3. It's the S4 SoC that will bring the 225 and better GPUs.
 
I wonder....

Impressive performance.

Especially given the battery life improvement in some areas.

I wonder how many they would have sold if there hadn't been the artifiicial two year contracts foisted by cell providers?

At least several thousand more.
 
More speed is always good, but I still just can't quite believe it took 16 months for this revision or that it required a change in release schedule from the normal July timeframe when the internals are pretty much near identical to the iPad 2 launching back in late March/April, which still ironically beats the newer device in GeekBench scores.

I know iOS 5 was a factor (or more-over Siri) but it didn't delay the iPad 2 launching with basically the same innards.

Tossing up whether to avail of my free carrier upgrade to the 4S when released, thereby extending my contract for another 18 months, or to come off contract and wait this revision out.

I feel the later releases of the iPhone 4S had more to do with SJ falling ill, leaving the company, and Apple trying to catch it's breath with new leadership. I think they had to rush what they had to market in the midst of a leadership shakeup (no matter how familiar to the old leadership), hence why we saw iPhone 5 prototypes leak from China, but no iPhone 5. Anyone who has ever worked in a corporation during a time of leadership transition knows exactly what I'm talking about. That or iCloud took a little extra time to get up and running.
 
Does 200 Mhz really impact the battery life that much?

Power consumption grows with the square of frequency. 80% of maximum clock speed means 64% of power consumption for the CPU. Since other things need power as well, let's say 80% of the power consumption for the whole phone. So the battery lasts 25% longer. That's some major difference.

So 800mhz dual core? Even single core processors are at 1.5ghz these days.

The level of ignorance in this post is just sad. Striker, if you ask for an explanation, I'll give one.
 
I don't think this is true.
Android fans bashed iPhone fans like no other arguing how specs is everything.
Actually, I'm blown away by Samsung's Galaxy S II's screen size or HTC Sensation.......

However, I'm surprised to see such a huge difference based on these benchmark scores alone. It really shuts those Fandroids up.....

I'm so tired of their arguments, and help Apple defend.
If you like a phone. GOOD. Stay using Android. But please don't try to bash someone by saying "it sucks, inferior tech" and laugh "ohhh 4S is sooo outdated"
It really makes them really shallow to be very honest.

I actually agree with the "If you like your phone then great." Everytime I buy a new computer/phone/something like that I'll assess everything in the market and choose the best solution, regardless of brand (Although brand quality can play a factor), that's how I ended up with a MacBook Pro.

About the Droid fans, this is true, to which apple fans have generally responded "Specs don't matter," and this changes once apple takes the lead, as in this case.

I think that everyone should hold their horses on performance until the galaxy HD and Nexus Prime are out. Seems only fair to compare these phones given that they're all released at pretty much the same time. People say the S2 vs iP4 was not balanced due to the age of the iP4. Nexus Prime, android flagship vs iPhone 4S, apple flagship. Seems like a nice comparison.
 
In GPU tests. The Sunspider benchmark is irrelevant as it is a test of software performance (notice the jump with just a move from iOS 4 to iOS 5. We're still not at a point where we can safely use these to compare pure CPU performance).

We don't know how well the A5's CPU portion compares to the rest of the SoCs out there since there seems to be no standardized benchmark suite that's multi-platform. So all we have are GPU tests, which is fine if you're into gaming.

Is the SunSpider test really irrelevant?

I understand you when you say it is a test of software but if the goal is to see how it stacks up to the competition it does matter who is fastest even when software is concerned. I know we're talking hardware here but it does matter to me which is faster even if it is just software.
 
Power consumption grows with the square of frequency. 80% of maximum clock speed means 64% of power consumption for the CPU. Since other things need power as well, let's say 80% of the power consumption for the whole phone. So the battery lasts 25% longer. That's some major difference.



The level of ignorance in this post is just sad. Striker, if you ask for an explanation, I'll give one.
I guess the question is, how long does the iPhone run at the full 800Mhz? It would seem that for the most part running at 1Ghz would not take up more perceived battery life, because the device isn't stuck at that clock speed. But as was said Apple must have done tests and found that the device ran most reliably at 800Mhz (or it is a different part number from the A5 in the iPad).
 
I love how these tests are "irrelevant" when Android does better, and vice versa. Fanboy/Fandroid. Same argument, different day!

Figures, tests and specs do matter, weither is is MPG for a car, or BHP. Of course none of it means much in real world conditions. But they are marketing features.

To me, it is about what works. In my hand the iPhone 4 out paced the SGS II fairly easily, mainly because I am more familiar with iOS, little other reason. I think the iPhone 4s was initially a little disappointing, but will turn out to be a great phone. the 3Gs, still seems to be highly thought of, for example. Values dont trail the iPhone 4 as much as one would expect.
 
Is the SunSpider test really irrelevant?

I understand you when you say it is a test of software but if the goal is to see how it stacks up to the competition it does matter who is fastest even when software is concerned. I know we're talking hardware here but it does matter to me which is faster even if it is just software.

It's not irrelevant, if you want to compare browser performance. But to compare the hardware using this test you'd need to be running the same software on all devices.
 
I apologize for such a simple question...

but in terms of everyday usage, what does "7x faster graphics" equate to outside of gaming?
 
I'm surprised at how the iPad 2 is so powerful. Can't wait for the next revision with an A6 chip; it should be quite beefy processing for a little pad computer.

Yesterday I thought about the iBooks emerging back in 1999. 12 years later, these iDevices are 5x+ more powerful, 1/3 the price, and 1/5th or less the size. Amazing.
 
More speed is always good, but I still just can't quite believe it took 16 months for this revision or that it required a change in release schedule from the normal July timeframe when the internals are pretty much near identical to the iPad 2 launching back in late March/April, which still ironically beats the newer device in GeekBench scores.

I know iOS 5 was a factor (or more-over Siri) but it didn't delay the iPad 2 launching with basically the same innards.

Tossing up whether to avail of my free carrier upgrade to the 4S when released, thereby extending my contract for another 18 months, or to come off contract and wait this revision out.

Why are you questioning 16 months without knowing ANYTHING about the development process, Apple's internal discussions and what led to which decision?
Outsiders make it as if one can just open a drawer and pull out the next complete product.

Apple products are good because they go by THEIR schedules. In that process I am sure they make compromises based on availability of components, pricing and most of all consumer usage experience.

From a timing standpoint it looks like you are in between a bad contract cycle.

As I posted some other place, coming off a 3GS this phone is a major upgrade and the 5 is probably another 12 - 16 months away.
(ipad 3 is next, then they will port whatever is new in ipad 3 into the next 5, 5S or so.)

Coming from a 4 probably is not that major (as in I'd wait for the real 5), unless you use the phone a lot for tasks that would benefit from the faster A5 and graphics improvement and/or you want SIRI.

Sounds as if you'd get the 4S now you'll be frustrated to be tied up when the 5 comes out.
 
I feel the later releases of the iPhone 4S had more to do with SJ falling ill, leaving the company, and Apple trying to catch it's breath with new leadership. I think they had to rush what they had to market in the midst of a leadership shakeup (no matter how familiar to the old leadership), hence why we saw iPhone 5 prototypes leak from China, but no iPhone 5. Anyone who has ever worked in a corporation during a time of leadership transition knows exactly what I'm talking about. That or iCloud took a little extra time to get up and running.

No way. I think it has everything to do with iOS 5 not being ready until now. Isn't it obvious? Apple wanted to ship the new phone with the new OS, simple as that. iOS 5 is now ready. So they can ship the phone, and with significant stocks built up at that, thus the 1M pre-sales on day 1.
 
Too many Monday morning quarterback (engineers) in here who don't know the basic principles of processor design.

Higher MHZ = More heat, More power consumption, Less Battery.

It's very simple, the A5 does not need to be clocked at 1GHZ for the iPhone 4S to scream with performance, so why not get more battery out of it? Also I'm sure Apple can upclock it at any time by issuing a firmware update.
 
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