What, you expected the folks that make Android to have a screaming
"iPhone 4s is amazing, magical, a must have"
as the main article, much less even on their site.
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What, you expected the folks that make Android to have a screaming
"iPhone 4s is amazing, magical, a must have"
as the main article, much less even on their site.
I for one am very disappointed that a redesigned phone did not come out. But I will still pre order a 4S this Friday. I have a DROIDX and this will be a downgrade screen wise, but I like the new features enough to switch. Plus ios is such a smoother build than Android.
not saying nothing changed. I know what changed. But those changes were not what the people wanted. They weren't the most important changes given the times (e.g. 4G).
A lot changed in iOS. A lot of changes are catching up with what Android has had for a while. Will iOS be better implementing those features (e.g. notification pull down, voice control, etc.)? Possibly. Apple usually integrates things better. Anything revolutionary going on? Not really.
Camera sounds great. I love it. Does that make me excited about this iphone? Nope.
Now maybe if you tried harder to understand the reason for my post: motivate Apple to do more because I want to see them succeed.
That was posted about an hour after the event ended. meanwhile, the value came back up and closed at a merely 1/2% under the day's opening
That is based on the assumption that every day between now and the release will be just as high as day one and that none of the orders are cancelled in the meantime.
which might happen or might not
and even if the Fire does beat the ipad2's opening sales figures it doesn't really mean that much. Half of them could be returned. Or sales after the first week could drop off and never come near what the iPad 2 had managed overall.
Huh?? Your gambling analogy fails. Doubling down is, by definition, higher risk - you double the size of your initial bet based upon the odds you calculate after the first two cards. "Playing it safe" would be to play out the hand with your original bet and forego the potential upside of doubling.
Nice
I love rumors that are in regard to technology...but I take them with a grain of salt. Really dislike all the flamewars I've seen on various sites with regards to brand loyalty. You dig iOS and the iPhone? Great. You dig Android and the various companies that make Android phones? Great!
That said, I've been a pretty loyal Apple user and am currently using the iPhone 3g. Even though I thought the updates on the 3gs and 4 were great, I didn't upgrade my phone even though I could've because I really didn't see a compelling reason to upgrade. My phone still worked. Even though the OS had become sluggish, it wasn't that much of a bother to me. What I really wanted to see in an iPhone refresh, one that would put me into a 100% commitment to an upgrade, is 4g implementation. I could careless about a bigger screen or a revamped form factor (hell, the 4 is still a sexy ass design and would be for a long time to come imo). A faster speed of 14.4 would be fast enough for me not to care about 4g being implemented in iPhone 5 (if that were to happen)...
I will say that when I do upgrade to the 4s, I'm fairly sure I'd be happy with the design, build and performance of the phone for years to come. Some people are just "no frills" like that.
I still have a couple of friends who are still on the original iPhone because they love it so much.
I love rumors that are in regard to technology...but I take them with a grain of salt. Really dislike all the flamewars I've seen on various sites with regards to brand loyalty. You dig iOS and the iPhone? Great. You dig Android and the various companies that make Android phones? Great!
That said, I've been a pretty loyal Apple user and am currently using the iPhone 3g. Even though I thought the updates on the 3gs and 4 were great, I didn't upgrade my phone even though I could've because I really didn't see a compelling reason to upgrade. My phone still worked. Even though the OS had become sluggish, it wasn't that much of a bother to me. What I really wanted to see in an iPhone refresh, one that would put me into a 100% commitment to an upgrade, is 4g implementation. I could careless about a bigger screen or a revamped form factor (hell, the 4 is still a sexy ass design and would be for a long time to come imo). A faster speed of 14.4 would be fast enough for me not to care about 4g being implemented in iPhone 5 (if that were to happen)...
I will say that when I do upgrade to the 4s, I'm fairly sure I'd be happy with the design, build and performance of the phone for years to come. Some people are just "no frills" like that.
I still have a couple of friends who are still on the original iPhone because they love it so much.
I was one of the folks who put a preorder in on day one..... I have an iPad 2 but I figured 200 bucks with a nice form factor how can I go wrong?
Well, after looking around in their app store I went ahead and cancelled my order. I realized that there is not a single app I use daily that would be available....
So just to read email it's not worth it for me. Music & Video is better on the iPad and the Slingplayer app is not available yet either.
Once they catch up I will buy one in a heart beat.
Well, after looking around in their app store I went ahead and cancelled my order. I realized that there is not a single app I use daily that would be available....
So just to read email it's not worth it for me. Music & Video is better on the iPad and the Slingplayer app is not available yet either.
Once they catch up I will buy one in a heart beat.
does he need to. Steve is still alive and still at Apple. In fact I wouldn't be shocked if he was named as a Consultant just like Woz (but really one not just name only like Woz). And you have folks like Ive in the House.
Yeah, aapl dropped to $354 today and made up all but 2.1 pts to close at $372.50. You are aware that means that it only lost 2.1 points at close, or does that basic fact escape you? After hours, its only 0.23 pt down! Hardly a loss even if the market overall was up 1.44% for the day.
Per your Amazon Kindle sales; So, preorders are going to hold up for 50 days at that pace? Good luck on that.
And we don't even know how many was 'a lot'. It could turn out that that Blunder was mostly hyperbole by the media and less than 100 folks asked for refunds, against tens of thousands of purchases with no comment either way
by the same token, a few hundred folks on boards like this are pissed, which could be against millions that line up and buy on day one.
Sailing in the same boat as you are. Only difference i'll be switching from T-Mo's G2 for a more smoother and polished OS.
- A5 SoC Heat Issues
- Building stock of all third party parts for international simultaneous push
- iOS 5 to go GM
- Bluetooth 4 chipsets for the standard just now reaching 4.0
Sorry, but nothing about the iPhone 4S is the same internally as the 4. Even the back lighting is improved over the 4. The sensors for gyros and more are improved. Power Management is improved. Obviously a brand new Engine. Brand new Sound System, modified case design on the back, etc.
I personally could care less that you don't get your 4" plus diagonal screen. I've got a plethora of guts that developing software for can now make it easier as now I can target the 4S and iPad 2 and up.
not one they will ever tell.
yeah cause NO ONE lined up to buy the iPhone 4s since it is so lousy.
oh wait, it hasn't been released yet.
why don't you wait until it has to talk about how it is a bust
That is NOT the reason as to why the iPhone 4S does not have LTE. Here it is well explained:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4925/why-no-lte-iphone-5-blame-28nm-maturity
And many would say that that was a huge mistake on their part and they have learned from it and aren't repeating it.
While the iPhone 4S isn't a great update, its a good user experience update. The hardware/design isn't revolutionary or anything but with the addition of the A5 and vastly improved camera its still one of the best phones spec for spec out there (and in my opinion the best looking phone).
What the new iPhone really excels in is the user interface. iOS 5 looks amazing and has many awesome and practical new features. Lets face it, wireless syncing is something we all wanted for a long time. Also the introduction of iCloud plays well into the new iPhone. Most of us own more than one iOS device so the constant pushing of apps and data is welcomed. With other improvements to things such as the software side of the camera its a really solid update. Finally Siri looks actually useful. Other companies have voice recognition but unlike them it looks practical. It looks like I would actually use it on a day to day basis. Unfortunately I would have to upgrade from my iPhone 4 if I wanted to use it
If I had to rate the hardware it would be a 5 out of 10
If I had to rate the user experience it would be a 7.5 out of 10
What the new iPhone really excels in is the user interface. iOS 5 looks amazing and has many awesome and practical new features. Lets face it, wireless syncing is something we all wanted for a long time. Also the introduction of iCloud plays well into the new iPhone. Most of us own more than one iOS device so the constant pushing of apps and data is welcomed. With other improvements to things such as the software side of the camera its a really solid update. Finally Siri looks actually useful. Other companies have voice recognition but unlike them it looks practical. It looks like I would actually use it on a day to day basis. Unfortunately I would have to upgrade from my iPhone 4 if I wanted to use it
If I had to rate the hardware it would be a 5 out of 10
If I had to rate the user experience it would be a 7.5 out of 10
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Yeah where the galaxy s2, htc giant and nexus sub prime left off these guys will pick up.
I would love to hear from someone who actually believes this sillyness why they think now these disparate manufacturers with no control over the os are now going to somehow surpass the superior integrated apple experience. What has changed to make this possible? Just adding an inferior larger screen does not allow for it so what is it?
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Yeah where the galaxy s2, htc giant and nexus sub prime left off these guys will pick up.
I would love to hear from someone who actually believes this sillyness why they think now these disparate manufacturers with no control over the os are now going to somehow surpass the superior integrated apple experience. What has changed to make this possible? Just adding an inferior larger screen does not allow for it so what is it?
I like how a lot of people here bashed on Android fanboys for bragging about the guts of the phone, and now, they are using that same technique for defending the 4s. Guts don't make the iphone. The GUI and form factor do. Sometimes I catch myself drooling over my friends' iphones just because they look better than my current Android. If you don't think form factor/design is impt in Apple's success, you must be kidding yourself.
Also, I won't call anyone out in particular, but in no way have I said the 4s won't sell well. I've made general comments about innovation and the competition catching up that even Steve Jobs himself have made.
http://youtu.be/SaJp66ArJVI
"...the problem was Apple stood still...and its differentiation eroded...there is a tremendous brand loyalty...the way out is not to slash and burn...the way out is to innovate." --Steve Jobs
Why can't some people criticize a brand that they love? I love Apple, but I am still able to criticize them when they don't meet expectations.
Personally, it seems to me like Apple is focusing a little less on innovation and a little more on making money/expanding right now. If you ask me, the real winner at this release was the cheaper prices for the iphone 4 and 3gs (FREE!). This is a real winning strategy to get people to get on the iOS platform, that in combination with Apple's vertical integration (which may actually win as a strategy this time around) will build a loyal customer base for years to come.
A lot of people couldn't get on the iphone platform because it wasn't available for their carriers. With an expansion onto other carriers, making the phone GSM/CDMA, and lowering the price point on many models...guess what? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So yes, Apple will be financially very successful. Will it be due to the 4s? that remains to be seen. maybe. But personally I think their strategy of expanding is aggressive and patently obvious.
Also, I won't call anyone out in particular, but in no way have I said the 4s won't sell well. I've made general comments about innovation and the competition catching up that even Steve Jobs himself have made.
http://youtu.be/SaJp66ArJVI
"...the problem was Apple stood still...and its differentiation eroded...there is a tremendous brand loyalty...the way out is not to slash and burn...the way out is to innovate." --Steve Jobs
Why can't some people criticize a brand that they love? I love Apple, but I am still able to criticize them when they don't meet expectations.
Personally, it seems to me like Apple is focusing a little less on innovation and a little more on making money/expanding right now. If you ask me, the real winner at this release was the cheaper prices for the iphone 4 and 3gs (FREE!). This is a real winning strategy to get people to get on the iOS platform, that in combination with Apple's vertical integration (which may actually win as a strategy this time around) will build a loyal customer base for years to come.
A lot of people couldn't get on the iphone platform because it wasn't available for their carriers. With an expansion onto other carriers, making the phone GSM/CDMA, and lowering the price point on many models...guess what? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So yes, Apple will be financially very successful. Will it be due to the 4s? that remains to be seen. maybe. But personally I think their strategy of expanding is aggressive and patently obvious.
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more like here "it is guessed at by someone with zero actual knowledge as to why Apple made the choice they did". IF they wanted LTE and it demanded reducing the size of the battery or making the phone physically larger, they would have chosen to do that. Because they didn't want LTE they didn't have to make either choice. And didn't make it.
Really?
1. Yes, the delay to update was long
2. The delay was likely due to Siri and iOS5
3. They are surely working on iPhone 5; in fact, it could be complete but not launched due to production issues and after a 18 months Apple said: screw it, we'll postpone and go with our backup plan.
4. With the advent of LTE, and NFC payment there is no point in redesigning the chassis when it is going to have be redesigned in a year
5. Changing the screen size or form factor slightly would not really make a difference anyways...I have NEVER seen anyone compare screen sizes on phones. It is always about functionality, slimness, and battery life.
6. If this was launched with a screen slightly larger or a small frame tweak that would have apparently made many people happy.. the screen size appears to be a big hang up. Even though the iphone 4 and 3 are the best selling phones and industry standards. Just like on computers, Android is only dominating in the market Apple doesn't really want that bad. Lower end phones....the old iphones can be sent there, produced for a fraction of their previous cost.
7. The design they currently have is quite nice. Why throw it away after 18 months? Its better to let it run its course of 2-2.5 years...then release an all new phone that was not possible today...thinner, with a bigger screen, NFC, LTE, better voice etc etc.
8. Siri WAS a big innovation. Biggest I have seen in years. A new phone chassis? Seriously, what can "thinner and bigger screen" really do or mean to me? Meaningful voice interaction: THAT is a big deal. A really big deal..to computer nerds and to regular people. Imagine all the people who no longer have to dig through menus. You can discover what a phone can do just by asking.
I agree Apple shouldn't be mediocre. I assure, this release was not, especially not because of a lack of form factor change. This release was what everybody who paid attention (real attention) to rumors expected. An incremental change with a major new software feature.
Just like Apple realized experience mattered over specs (after a certain baseline), they are now realizing function matters over specs too. While they will surely keep advancing their products at the current slightly slow pace we have today, the focus is going to be on smaller, faster, and more interconnected. Not just on faster and cooler looking...Their designs are top notch, and part of the reason they are is because they are timeless. The MacPro and MacBooks STILL look good...no need for massive retooling or new materials like in other lines struggling to find a look. This gives them the flexibility to say "I guess we have to keep the iphone 4 design" and not have it be a big deal to anyone except internet message boards and a few news channels.
BTW, I imagine Siri is going to be Apples next priority...moving into OSX. Combined with iCloud, and iOS..."email the paper I worked on last night to Jeff" (while driving) "Play a relaxing mix during the party" "Start the surprise slideshow 20 minutes after Jeff arrives". "Send my calendar to mom"
It may seem farfectched, but just like iOS made a big change in how phones worked, Siri is poised to make a big change in interface. Bigger than touch.
Or not. But at least Apple is trying and innovating instead of just working on a mediocre frame tweak.
And I would not have been happy with just "any" launch.
Oh, and what if Siri tech, Apple owned of course, gets into home apps, or remote apps? "Turn on the lights" "Have the roast done by 7" "Make coffee, black". "Is there milk in the fridge?" If I owned a home appliance company, I would be falling over myself to get this into my stuff.
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I don't think you or the cult of android understand pre order purchase patterns. Off big announcements the largest portion of pre orders are front loaded. It does not keep up at a steady pace.
Also the other person pointed out in day 1 preorders the ipad2 sold 3x as many as the fire.
J am interested in the kindle fire and I don't want android nerds coopting it as some sort of android success. When it succeeds with it's custom fork it will be evidence against core android viability as a competitive os
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I don't think you or the cult of android understand pre order purchase patterns. Off big announcements the largest portion of pre orders are front loaded. It does not keep up at a steady pace.
Also the other person pointed out in day 1 preorders the ipad2 sold 3x as many as the fire.
J am interested in the kindle fire and I don't want android nerds coopting it as some sort of android success. When it succeeds with it's custom fork it will be evidence against core android viability as a competitive os