Point out where exactly the iPhone 4S lags or underperforms. If the OS isn't demanding too much from the hardware and people LIKE the OS then I don't see why the specs matter cross-platform.
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With newer more core higher MHz/ghz processors there isn't always a power hit. If the processor can get done its task and back to sleep faster it can actually concern power. Laptop processors is clear evidence that newer tech doesn't always mean more power consumption.
Like I've mentioned before a few times now the way the os operates will lead to how fluid it is. IOS prioritizes user input, everything will pretty much stop and focus on you scrolling to give you that fluidness. Problem is that's a trade off, sure it looks fantastic on iOS devices but its form over function. Easy example, load a busy webpage in iOS and start scrolling before its done loadings, its nice and smooth but the webpage will stop loading until you are done scrolling. Android will do both but maybe a little stuttery.
I agree with the comment Android needs to focus on the OS and its optimization rather then its hardware. Why throw tons of hardware at a problem that should be addressed at its source? Thing is Google makes the OS while manufactures like Motorola and Samsung make the phones so really the manufactures only way to make them look better is to add more hardware. I think ICS is a great step forward but they still have a ways to go.
I've been comparing current devices performance going from Gingerbread or Honeycomb to ICS and it looks like there is a sizeable jump. Which is good, cause I've also read a lot of conflicting reports about idevices that have gone from iOS 4 to iOS 5. Seems benchmarks look good on the iPhone 4 and ipad 2 but prior devices people report a slowdown in performance.
Like I've mentioned before a few times now the way the os operates will lead to how fluid it is. IOS prioritizes user input, everything will pretty much stop and focus on you scrolling to give you that fluidness. Problem is that's a trade off, sure it looks fantastic on iOS devices but its form over function. Easy example, load a busy webpage in iOS and start scrolling before its done loadings, its nice and smooth but the webpage will stop loading until you are done scrolling. Android will do both but maybe a little stuttery.
I agree with the comment Android needs to focus on the OS and its optimization rather then its hardware. Why throw tons of hardware at a problem that should be addressed at its source? Thing is Google makes the OS while manufactures like Motorola and Samsung make the phones so really the manufactures only way to make them look better is to add more hardware. I think ICS is a great step forward but they still have a ways to go.
I've been comparing current devices performance going from Gingerbread or Honeycomb to ICS and it looks like there is a sizeable jump. Which is good, cause I've also read a lot of conflicting reports about idevices that have gone from iOS 4 to iOS 5. Seems benchmarks look good on the iPhone 4 and ipad 2 but prior devices people report a slowdown in performance.
People seem to be comparing the iPhone to Android (only natural, it's iOS's biggest competition). I would contend that a phone running stock (or near it) Android runs VERY smoothly. I have loaded it on handfuls of devices. To those saying angry birds needs a beast of a cpu to run... I have run it on single core units clocked at under 1ghz. But I ALWAYS flash a custom rom. Those that come packaged with the phones are almost certainly filled with bloat and garbage you just don't want. And THAT is what Apple does better. They don;t allow carrier bloat, or subsidize their costs by adding other company bloat to their system. Android can be as good as iOS if you work at it. iOS is generally good right out of the box. For the vast majority, that translates as iOS being the winner, since they don't need to do anything to it to make it good.
When I load multiple websites. Certainly something is left to be desired. This could have been easily solved with more RAM, at a fairly minimal cost increase. Here's to hoping the next one doesn't fall short.
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This, not to mention clock speeds are a pretty terrible way to compare chips anymore, unless you are simply comparing the clockspeed of one type of chip to a different clockspeed of the same type of chip. By this I mean that we can literally see (and often do) a 1ghz chip outperform another 1ghz chip of a different make.
When I load multiple websites. Certainly something is left to be desired. This could have been easily solved with more RAM, at a fairly minimal cost increase. Here's to hoping the next one doesn't fall short.
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This, not to mention clock speeds are a pretty terrible way to compare chips anymore, unless you are simply comparing the clockspeed of one type of chip to a different clockspeed of the same type of chip. By this I mean that we can literally see (and often do) a 1ghz chip outperform another 1ghz chip of a different make.
This is because the amount of instructions each processor can process in each "step" varies based on the CPU. This is why some CPUs outperform other processors with a higher clock speed even though they have the same number of cores.
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To continue it also depends on how the CPU is controlled. I'm on my Xoom tablet running stock HC 3.2.6 using CPU spy.
1000 MHz = 7%
760 MHz = 0%
608 MHz = 1%
456 MHz = 2%
312 MHz = 3%
216 MHz = 55%
Deep Sleep = 29%
So most of the time I've been using minimal CPU. So having a faster processor won't make to big of a hit with my current usage however it will give devs more power to create more powerful apps.
I think we can all say some of the newer apps especially games are getting quite impressive on mobile devices. Only way to make them even better is to be able to support them with hardware.
To continue it also depends on how the CPU is controlled. I'm on my Xoom tablet running stock HC 3.2.6 using CPU spy.
1000 MHz = 7%
760 MHz = 0%
608 MHz = 1%
456 MHz = 2%
312 MHz = 3%
216 MHz = 55%
Deep Sleep = 29%
So most of the time I've been using minimal CPU. So having a faster processor won't make to big of a hit with my current usage however it will give devs more power to create more powerful apps.
I think we can all say some of the newer apps especially games are getting quite impressive on mobile devices. Only way to make them even better is to be able to support them with hardware.
Sarcasm is traditionally backed up with an emoticonor /s as it's hard to perceive in a purely written form.
If updates are a concern, get a Nexus. They launch with stock android, are updated direct from Google and are the most developer friendly devices. It's worked for me over 3 generations (Nexus One, Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus).
no offense but it was quite obviously sarcasm.....not sure how anyone cant see that.
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And after you've bought a Samsung, do you feel satisfied?
Sigh. No..
mark28 said:2.0 ghz Quad core ( Samsung Galaxy S3 ) vs 800 mhz dual core ( iPhone 4S)
And after you've bought a Samsung, do you feel satisfied?
Sigh. No..
Nobody said it was...
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To put it nicely, there are some pretty mean people on forums. What may seems onvious to you, may not for everyone. FWIW, it did not come off as sarcasm to me either. Either way, a friendly smiley does wonders to lighten the modd.
I know the post was obvious sarcasm but I figured since I had cpuspy and could see exactly I downloaded (since its free) and played Angry Birds Rio for 10 minutes (dreadful).
It used the tegra 2 1 ghz dual core at 608 mhz for 1 minute, 456 MHz for 8 minutes and 20-30 seconds, and 312 MHz for 30-40 seconds. So there really isn't much to that game as far as processing power goes.
If I run an emulator playing ps1 Gran Turismo it will use 1000 MHz constantly until I stop. Even games like super Mario 1, 2, or 3 are pretty high most of the time (608 - 760 MHz) but that's probably due to the emulation software. I have noticed better performance with overclocking and emulators.
Anyway that wasn't directed to anyone but I figured I post it so there are no silly rumors that Angry Birds barely runs on Android. And more processing power does make certain apps (higher end emulators) run better.
It used the tegra 2 1 ghz dual core at 608 mhz for 1 minute, 456 MHz for 8 minutes and 20-30 seconds, and 312 MHz for 30-40 seconds. So there really isn't much to that game as far as processing power goes.
If I run an emulator playing ps1 Gran Turismo it will use 1000 MHz constantly until I stop. Even games like super Mario 1, 2, or 3 are pretty high most of the time (608 - 760 MHz) but that's probably due to the emulation software. I have noticed better performance with overclocking and emulators.
Anyway that wasn't directed to anyone but I figured I post it so there are no silly rumors that Angry Birds barely runs on Android. And more processing power does make certain apps (higher end emulators) run better.
Why do people think that mobile platforms should follow the path of PC platforms?
The OS's are completely different. Hardware specs on mobile platforms are only 50% of the equation at best.
While on desktop its much much more.
Trying to use the same thought/mental process is ignorant at best.
Its sad that people still believe what works for one, works for the other.
The OS's are completely different. Hardware specs on mobile platforms are only 50% of the equation at best.
While on desktop its much much more.
Trying to use the same thought/mental process is ignorant at best.
Its sad that people still believe what works for one, works for the other.
I would contend that this isn't really the case. Most modern OSs run on machines many years old. Not quite the case with mobile OSs, actually.
If you have an efficient operating system and finely tuned apps made specially to run on the phone's specific hardware you don't need a **** ton of power
Lol, old tech, new tech, whatever tech, I've owned and tried them all, all the latest flavors of Android and Blackberry and soon another Windows phone and as a heavy business user, and enthiast of phones and tech I can attest for my needs at least, the iPhone 4S is the best by FAR!!
I guess my iPhone 4 is a dinosaur.
Certainly. At a year an a half old, in the tech world, nobody is going to argue otherwise.
Sooo, I guess the story with Android is to make it work well you have to wipe the factory installed OS, tinker a bit, and use some discretion. Sounds a lot like Windows to me.
I prefer the superior out of the box experience the ancient iPhone hardware offers.
I prefer the superior out of the box experience the ancient iPhone hardware offers.