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And you do know that Android AND Windows are made up of MULTIPLE devices being sold by MULTIPLE companies right?

Go look at the numbers for each PHONE. The iPhone continues to be the top selling phone out there.

I do love this mantra. That might be relevant for the manufacturers, but why, as an end-user, would I care?

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We get one of these threads after... every single Apple product launch- EVER. And in the end, it makes no difference. The hardware runs ultra-smoothy, while feeling faster than anything else on the market and does what it's supposed to do perfectly. There was the same bitching about every iPhone and iPad incarnation. How did that work out?

You people never, ever learn. Which is surprising, considering how closely you've followed Apple and their products/philosophy.

I always wonder where these comments come from. After every release, yes, people complain after hardware. After every release, other people (like you) state as fact that Apple makes sure things always run smoothly. Why, then, is my 3Gs laggy half the time? Answer me that and I might be inclined to believe you. Currently, I believe Apple puts in the bare minimum hardware it can get away with and relies on cognitive dissonance to make people believe it's the best choice.
 
weren't there reports last year of the iPhone for only being 256 too?

is it even confirmed that there isn't 1gb?
 
I always wonder where these comments come from. After every release, yes, people complain after hardware. After every release, other people (like you) state as fact that Apple makes sure things always run smoothly. Why, then, is my 3Gs laggy half the time? Answer me that and I might be inclined to believe you. Currently, I believe Apple puts in the bare minimum hardware it can get away with and relies on cognitive dissonance to make people believe it's the best choice.

Stop lying about your 3GS just to prove a point. :rolleyes:
 
Stop lying about your 3GS just to prove a point. :rolleyes:

Why do you assume he's lying? Even the iPhone 4 lags if you tax it enough. Common scenario: 8 open tabs in safari and music playing in the iPod app. I'm going to bet that
a) some of these tabs will have to be reloaded when you return to them
b) if you switch to the iPod app and skip a lot of tracks it might crash (happens to me about once a week)
c) switching to Mail takes forever, scrolling through messages is slow
d) text and data-rich apps like Evernote will be sluggish and might even crash
e) firing up the camera will take 10-15 seconds

And that's on my iPhone 4, so things will definitely be worse on the 3GS with just half the RAM!

Now, would more RAM help in this scenario? Hell yes it would!
 
About the iPhone 4S / iPad 2 1080p debate:

Both support 1080p output. Obviously neither can display it as their screen aren't 1080p. If you plug ip to an external 1080p TV with the Digital AV cable you can get 1080p with wireless mirroring. If you use AirPlay with the Apple TV, you're limited to the 720p but that's because of the Apple TV's A4.
 
Why do you assume he's lying? Even the iPhone 4 lags if you tax it enough. Common scenario: 8 open tabs in safari and music playing in the iPod app. I'm going to bet that
a) some of these tabs will have to be reloaded when you return to them
b) if you switch to the iPod app and skip a lot of tracks it might crash (happens to me about once a week)
c) switching to Mail takes forever, scrolling through messages is slow
d) text and data-rich apps like Evernote will be sluggish and might even crash
e) firing up the camera will take 10-15 seconds

And that's on my iPhone 4, so things will definitely be worse on the 3GS with just half the RAM!

Now, would more RAM help in this scenario? Hell yes it would!

The absolute only type of lag I've experienced on the 3GS and 4 (non Jailbroken) is a studder in music, games or whatever, at the exact moment when the email tones alerts me. Doesn't happen often but it happens.

Other than that ... no lag at all.

The symptoms you experience are ridiculous. You must be jailbroken with a bunch of tweaks. If not, shame on you for not getting a replacement.
 
once you're at the top,

Profits > Innovation

clearly profits is the name of the game in this iteration. RAM is quite expensive, so keeping it at 512MB saves them a lot of money. Also, Samsung supplies the RAM :)

lets see how optimized 512MB RAM is with iOS 5. I'm sure there will be caching issues though.
 
aohus said:
once you're at the top, Profits > Innovation clearly profits is the name of the game in this iteration. RAM is quite expensive, so keeping it at 512MB saves them a lot of money. Also, Samsung supplies the RAM :) lets see how optimized 512MB RAM is with iOS 5. I'm sure there will be caching issues though.

What does soldering on a higher density memory IC have anything whatsoever to do with innovation. You use that word 'innovation' but you don't know what it means. And you're not alone on these forums.

It was merely a design choice.
 
The iPhone 4s will still be as fast or a little faster than the SGSII, just wait and watch.

All these specfanboys will shutup then.

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This is iphone 4 vs SGSII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t78KfESnFE0

Barely any difference. Now think how faster 4s will be.

The same guy already benchmarked SGSII against iPad2 (and iPhone 4 - again). Results?

SGSII - 964 points
iPad 2 - 692 points
iPhone 4 - 560 points

iPhone 4S will be faster than iPhone 4 but probably slower than iPad 2 (A5 most likely will be underclocked). One could expect the score somewhere around 650 points - way behind SGSII.
 
How much does the extra 512MB RAM cost?

Multiply that by the millions of iPhones sold. The selling price was going to be $199/299/399 regardless.

That is how much more PROFIT Apple makes, and how much less money Samsung (maker of the RAM) makes.

Seems like a pretty straightforward proposition to me. They'd ship it with 128MB of RAM if they could...
 
once you're at the top,

Profits > Innovation

clearly profits is the name of the game in this iteration. RAM is quite expensive, so keeping it at 512MB saves them a lot of money. Also, Samsung supplies the RAM :)

lets see how optimized 512MB RAM is with iOS 5. I'm sure there will be caching issues though.

iOS 5 is as smooth as a baby's arse and runs like **** off a hot shovel on an iPhone 4.

I'm running the GM, and it makes 4.3.5 look and feel like a dogs dinner.

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The same guy already benchmarked SGSII against iPad2 (and iPhone 4 - again). Results?

SGSII - 964 points
iPad 2 - 692 points
iPhone 4 - 560 points

iPhone 4S will be faster than iPhone 4 but probably slower than iPad 2 (A5 most likely will be underclocked). One could expect the score somewhere around 650 points - way behind SGSII.

There were benchmarks published for 3D graphics performance and the iPad 2 destroyed the SGS2.

I do not understand the American obsession with that phone, it's a lump of plastic, feels cheap and looks even cheaper. The screen is bright but lacks the sharpness and detail of the Retina Display, and it guzzles battery.

It's been out here in the UK for a while, a few friends have it, one hates the thing but he's tied into an 18 month contract. Every time I pick it up it feels more like a square brick than the iPhone 4 ever does, but it's so thin at the bottom it's uncomfortable to hold due to being wider.
 
I've used Android phones with 1+ GB RAM that lag much more than my iPhone (3GS, 4) ever has. Really doesn't matter to me if it doesn't affect my experience. I don't sit on my phone running benchmarks all day.
 
The same guy already benchmarked SGSII against iPad2 (and iPhone 4 - again). Results?

SGSII - 964 points
iPad 2 - 692 points
iPhone 4 - 560 points

iPhone 4S will be faster than iPhone 4 but probably slower than iPad 2 (A5 most likely will be underclocked). One could expect the score somewhere around 650 points - way behind SGSII.

Those type of benchmarks don't tell a full story, and are almost completely independent of hardware... I just ran this test on my computer using Firefox, Safari and Chrome:

Firefox: 1607
Safari: 1450
Chrome: 2777

There is no doubt that Google is the best at making highly optimized browsing engines. But that doesn't mean my computer has better hardware than itself...

Honestly, such a small difference between the two despite the fact that the android browser has a much better engine, to me indicates that in terms of performance, they are extremely close.
 
Why is everyone talking about ram speeds when bus speeds are the true culprit. I'm sure it is going to be crazy amounts of fast. Three years down the road may be a different story.
 
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