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They just announced 30 million today. Dwarfs the iPhone 4 sales by a huge margin. Kinda brings down the hoopla of that small 4 million sales for iPhone 4 models.

Nice attempt there at marginalising iPhone 4S sales, but it fell a bit short. I wonder though: do you actually believe that Samsung selling (really moving) 30M phones over ~17 month period even approaches the 4M+ iPhone 4S sales this weekend?
 
They just announced 30 million today. Dwarfs the iPhone 4 sales by a huge margin. Kinda brings down the hoopla of that small 4 million sales for iPhone 4 models.

Yeah...in the same article:

"But even with all that and their sales success, the devices are still in the shadow of Apple's iPhone. After Samsung announced Galaxy S sales today, Apple said that it sold 4 million iPhone 4S units over the weekend, shattering the sales record held by the iPhone 4 when 1.7 million units of that device were sold during its first weekend of availability. That news comes just a few months after Apple announced that it sold more than 20 million iPhone units in the three-month period ended June 25."
 
Any chance you have an accent, coming from Quebec and all? U.S. English seems to be working best, probably optimized first.

Again, same contact name pronounced the same way for calls is ok, doesn't work for e-mail. Doubt the accent has anything to do with that. Same for the natural language bit. Siri has been overhyped a bit too
much.
 
I wonder. Is there ever a bad time to buy Apple shares?

These numbers are scarily big. You'd have to think the iPhone must be approaching 'saturation', that its market percentage won't grow too much more and the majority of sales will be just users upgrading. And then you see results like this, and.. maybe not!

And then you still have the iPad, which is probably the Apple device with the most growth potential. If anything, I reckon the Apple shares are still undervalued.
I wonder that, too. Looking at previous years' results, along with this year's end-of-year estimate, you can see how revenue is accelerating. There is a lot of momentum. It's almost frightening to wonder what 2012’s revenue will be! I'm guessing there is still investment opportunity.

Year Revenue
2001 $5.363
2002 $5.742
2003 $6.207
2004 $8.279
2005 $13.931
2006 $19.315
2007 $24.006
2008 $32.479
2009 $42.905
2010 $65.225
2011 $105?
2012 $180?
 
Can't you people wait?

The people that upgraded to an Iphone 4s that already had an iphone 4 are truly sheep. "Siri" is not compelling enough to get what essentially is an incremental upgrade. A4 or A5 processor? Do you really think the App developers are going to take full advantage of a beefier processor before the next phone comes out? No, not really. Wait for a new design!
 
Why do they need to see it and touch it? It's an Apple product. They know what to expect, because they know Apple has their ish together. They know what's in store for them. This is not a risky proposition for the consumer.

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Just yesterday my son told me we always reward one of our daughters for doing things even before we check on them. I told him we reliably reward her because she reliably does what is asked of her; if you want to be reliably rewarded, reliably deliver.

Apple reliably delivers, and is known for sweating the small details you'll never run into in the store on a demo unit. Having owned many Apple products, I'm quite willing to trust that they will deliver on the latest just like they have in the past.

That having been said, I slavishly drooled over every bit of information I could find about the iPhone 4S before buying one on Friday. So, I can't say it was really "sight unseen". The main difference: I have a high degree of trust in what Apple puts out as marketing, and that the device will perform roughly as advertised (sometimes a little better, sometimes not quite as well). Compare that to the last HP printer I bought, which routinely needs to be unplugged and plugged back in for computers to be able to print to it without getting incorrect error messages back, or the Blackberry which was finally put to rest on Friday after two years of wholly disappointing service.

I don't think it is as much of an insult as some people think, to say that people would buy anything Apple sells. They would buy (just about) anything Apple sells because time and again Apple has proven that they deliver reliably. Maybe some day we'll be burned, but in the meantime, betting that Apple has delivered exactly what it has promised, again, and polished all the rough edges we're ever likely to hit, is a damned good bet.
 
iOS 5 on my original ipad was a BAD move... The thing is slower than all get out now... I'll bet it works great with the faster CPU but it dogs down the older stuff...


IMO

My iPhone 3GS was faster on iOS 5. The only downside I have heard for iPad 1 users on iOS 5 was they disabling of multi-touch gestures if you had gone through the trouble of using developer mode to activate them.
 
The people that upgraded to an Iphone 4s that already had an iphone 4 are truly sheep. "Siri" is not compelling enough to get what essentially is an incremental upgrade. A4 or A5 processor? Do you really think the App developers are going to take full advantage of a beefier processor before the next phone comes out? No, not really. Wait for a new design!

Absolutely!

Far more important than a new camera, significantly faster performance, better reception, and a very nice digital assistant tool would be a teardrop shaped shell with a '5' printed on the outside of the box!

Sheesh. I just don't get the "only pay for a complete redesign" cadre. What ever happened to "it's what's inside that counts"?
 
As usual the naysayers were proved wrong.

A guy who cleans my office: "I'm disappointed Apple didn't release iPhone 5"

Me: "really, what features are you looking for that aren't in the new phone?"

Guy: "I'm not really sure, I was just expecting a new phone"

Me: "whatever"

looks like most people "get" this new release...

I think the iPhone 4S is the most compelling iPhone to date - performance, features, and looks. The body design, though a year old, is extraordinary. I find the stainless steal and AS glass arresting. I'm massively torn between choosing white or black.
 
The vast majority of iOS users don't sit by their computers waiting for updates like us. 25 million is a LOT of early adopters.

Considering you have to update iTunes first then it will notify you of the new IOS version available. 25 million is pretty large
 
I think Siri is cool. But just to keep things in perspective, on my Galaxy S2 I can say "navigate to wherever" and it will fire up Google Maps and give you turn-by-turn voice directions with a moving 3d map. I can also send text messages and emails and it will solve math problems, define words, play music, call contacs etc... Where Siri shines is in the calendar/ reminder area, "remind me to take out the cat when I get home" etc...

You can bet that Google is working feverishly to improve their voice control, so they will probably catch up in that area soon. So again, I think Apple did a great job of implementing Siri, but I don't see it as anything earth shaking or industry changing.

I'm truly interested here. Can you simply say "show me a fed ex location" and google maps will show you or do you have to say "navigate" or some other heading like navigate first.
 
I doubt it's the Beta thing that makes it slowler than actually just typing out search engine queries.

"I don't know about that, do you want to search the web for it ?"... uh... at this point, I would have been better off to search the web for it myself rather than ask you ? :rolleyes:

There's 1 bug I attribute to the beta stage though :

- "Call Contact Name at home" works fine. Siri gets the right contact, dials the right number.

- "E-mail Contact Name at home" results in the funnies.

Interesting. Works fine for me. Call, email, text, send a message, etc. All ends up going to the right place and with the right contact. My guess would be that your pronunciation of "email" might be throwing Siri, that perhaps it is seeing the tail end of that word as being a part of the name? Dunno. The good thing about the voice processing being done on the server is that Apple can pretty quickly iterate through these kinds of issues, so perhaps you will see that improve over time.

The only complaint I have about Siri is that every one of those 4M iPhone buyers this weekend decided to spend Friday evening having long intimate yet meaningless chitchat with Siri, resulting in "Sorry; I am having trouble connecting to the network" time and time again for me. I think we won't be able to get a good idea of the utility of Siri until it's been out long enough for the novelty to wear off and/or for Apple to upgrade their servers and networks to handle the idle chitchat load.
 
Again, same contact name pronounced the same way for calls is ok, doesn't work for e-mail. Doubt the accent has anything to do with that. Same for the natural language bit. Siri has been overhyped a bit too
much.

Siri's most frequent response to me this last weekend was "Sorry, I cannot connect to the server."

It does some things amazingly well -- shockingly well.

On other things it misses the mark.

Again, it is "beta" software, but it is very unlike Apple to release "beta" software as a marquee feature. I think Siri has a ton of potential and I am already finding it useful.

I usually leave my BBQ Propane running after I am done cooking to burn off the the stuck-on food. Unfortunately I often forget to go back outside and turn off the BBQ, which means I empty the entire propane tank overnight (and its not too safe either). Last night I just whipped out my iPhone 4S and said "Remind me to turn off the BBQ in 25 minutes". Siri complied and setup the reminder for me. I never would have bothered to unlock the phone, open the app, and type in that reminder. The convenience factor of Siri was huge. Its a bit disconcerting how much can be done from the lock screen though.
 
Only 25 million upgraded to iOS 5? In the scheme of things is that a small number (compared to the number of eligeble iOS devices)?

Some people just haven't plugged their phones into their computers yet, so they are unaware of the new os. I can tell you that my parents probably plug their phones into their computers once every 2-3 weeks.

Also, in places where internet download speeds are slow (north Louisiana) people wait till they have plenty of spare time to download things that are ~1GB because it can take 1-3 hours.

I have friends that are competent iPhone users that are either unaware of the update or haven't had the time yet
 
The people that upgraded to an Iphone 4s that already had an iphone 4 are truly sheep. "Siri" is not compelling enough to get what essentially is an incremental upgrade. A4 or A5 processor? Do you really think the App developers are going to take full advantage of a beefier processor before the next phone comes out? No, not really. Wait for a new design!

I upgraded from the 4, while I know it would be hard to justify it for many, I figure life is short. even if it is 1 second faster at many tasks I do regularly, that adds up to minutes if not hours per month. siri also saves me time on many tasks and lets be be safer while driving. not to mention if some crazy stuff goes down I want to have the best camera possible with me. Camera could be worth it for many, people used to buy point and shoot cameras with that quality for a few hundred. with how much you can sell an iphone 4 for on ebay, and how much your free time is worth, and how priceless pictures are, how could you not upgrade?
 
Not that surprising to me. Not when you consider that the iPhone 4 launched with only one carrier in the US, adding Verizon late in it's launch. Then there was the fact that the 4 launched under a small cloud of controversy with the whole antenna-gate and the discoloration of the screen that eventually went away for most users. The iPhone 4 was also a redesign that some people didn't like, with all glass enclosure.

I think that the 4S success was bound to be higher because most users believed that Apple would fix the small issues that were associated with the 4, or those people put off by those issues may have finally come to accept that they could live with them if they were still present in the new phone. Plus like others have said the 4S added a new US carrier, and increased the availability at launch time to more countries than before. Pretty much there was no way the 4S was going to under sell the 4 or any other model before it.
 
While it's true that the 4S is selling like hotcakes, the Galaxy S2 is a terrific phone and well worthy of consideration if you are looking at upgrading.

The S2 could somehow have unlimited battery life, and a quad-core processor with 4GB of ram for all I care. If it's not running iOS, then it's only worth buying if you can't afford an iPhone and the android phone is much less expensive
 
i feel greatly disappointed in t-mobile for not trying to get the iPhone 4s, honestly they messed up by trying to compete with it. Now they have no other choice but to sell themselves over to AT&T or Sprint.:apple:

This really ticked me off. My TMO upgrade was availablei April and I awaited. Now my BB crapped out. Can't bring myself to get an android.
 
I upgraded from the 4, while I know it would be hard to justify it for many, I figure life is short. even if it is 1 second faster at many tasks I do regularly, that adds up to minutes if not hours per month. siri also saves me time on many tasks and lets be be safer while driving. not to mention if some crazy stuff goes down I want to have the best camera possible with me. Camera could be worth it for many, people used to buy point and shoot cameras with that quality for a few hundred. with how much you can sell an iphone 4 for on ebay, and how much your free time is worth, and how priceless pictures are, how could you not upgrade?

I also upgraded from a 4 to 4S. The money I get from Gazelle pays for my upgrade. Yes, I am one of the ones ATT gave the upgrade price to in this time period.

The speed for me is quite noticeable when switching between apps, sending something to email from another app, etc. Reception much better. Siri is awesome and especially how it is integrated. Etc.

Getting locked in to 2 more years with ATT from having 1 year left is nothing to me. Especially since ATT has worked well in my case.
 
(Or, heck, perhaps they really did start making the 4S back in May and have just been using the extra months to stockpile, rather than spending it on extra design time.)

In all honesty, most products don't see any design changes for the last 3 to 6 months of the development cycle. Generally that time is reserved entirely for testing. So it is possible that Apple may have set a deadline mid test cycle to begin production. That wouldn't be unheard of since any issues that might affect production are normally handled first.
 
iOS 5 on my original ipad was a BAD move... The thing is slower than all get out now... I'll bet it works great with the faster CPU but it dogs down the older stuff...


IMO

iOS 5 working fine on my iPhone 3GS and my friends iPad 1, better than iOS 4 did. The original iPad is beefier than the 3GS, so I suspect something else is up with your particular device.

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Not for anyone that has used IOS. The Android OS is good, IOS is great.

If you want to speak with authority, make sure to get the name right: iOS (with a lowercase "i"). Same goes for "Mac", never MAC like a lot of newbie switchers would type.

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Absolutely!

Far more important than a new camera, significantly faster performance, better reception, and a very nice digital assistant tool would be a teardrop shaped shell with a '5' printed on the outside of the box!

Sheesh. I just don't get the "only pay for a complete redesign" cadre. What ever happened to "it's what's inside that counts"?

Great response! I couldn't have said it better.

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The people that upgraded to an Iphone 4s that already had an iphone 4 are truly sheep. "Siri" is not compelling enough to get what essentially is an incremental upgrade. A4 or A5 processor? Do you really think the App developers are going to take full advantage of a beefier processor before the next phone comes out? No, not really. Wait for a new design!

Just to add fuel to what others have said... the 4S *is* a new design, just not entirely on the outside.
 
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