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You mean overall device installed base. Market share is calculated on the quarter by quarter basis. It doesn't matter that users are upgrades or new customers, they are counted as a new sale in this market share numbers.

Ahh yes you are correct, install base is what I was going after.
 
Only 25 million upgraded to iOS 5? In the scheme of things is that a small number (compared to the number of eligeble iOS devices)?

I think that most of us are not early adopters and don't want to deal with bogged-down servers and the like. We like to let things settle down a bit before we take the big leap.
 
I'm feigning no ignorance at all. I stand by what I posted. If the iPhone 4S was exactly the same as the iPhone 4, people still would have lined up to buy them. The average user had no idea what changes were made to the phone. They just heard on the news and read online that there was a new iPhone going on sale Friday, and the majority bought them without even looking at one first. What am I pretending?

Source?
 

We both know that there is no source for that, but we also both know it it largely true. I believe it for my reasons, you don't believe it for other reasons. People lined up literally by the millions to buy a product sight unseen without even touching it.
 
We both know that there is no source for that, but we also both know it it largely true. I believe it for my reasons, you don't believe it for other reasons. People lined up literally by the millions to buy a product sight unseen without even touching it.

Ok lemme try. People researched the product extensively before lining up. I will provide no sources to prove this but we both know this is true.
 
4 million phones is what Apple sold every 18 days in the last quarter. So that's a nice number, but not unbelievable.

True - though don't forget the 4S is only on sale in a subset of the countries in which the 4 is on sale. If the 4S was on sale in the same countries, then presumably the sales would be much higher again.
 
I wonder. Is there ever a bad time to buy Apple shares?

These numbers are scarily big. You'd have to think the iPhone must be approaching 'saturation', that its market percentage won't grow too much more and the majority of sales will be just users upgrading. And then you see results like this, and.. maybe not!

And then you still have the iPad, which is probably the Apple device with the most growth potential. If anything, I reckon the Apple shares are still undervalued.

Remember, most people still have feature phones. Apple can still grow beyond the 'smartphone' segment.
 
We both know that there is no source for that,

Than why did you call it a fact?

but we also both know it it largely true.

That's just crap.

I believe it for my reasons, you don't believe it for other reasons. People lined up literally by the millions to buy a product sight unseen without even touching it.

Some people. For actual information instead of your fanboy fantasy, we can look at an actual survey.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/1...-line-reveals-record-crowd-and-other-tidbits/

71% wanted it for the upgraded camera or Siri. So much for your facts.
 
It is kind of interesting. This is my first iPhone. I have countless other Apple products, but they are less visible since they stay home most of the time.

Since getting the phone (coming from Android) a lot of my friends have given me the business about it. So far I have been unwilling to engage in the Ford vs. Chevy-style debate with them about phones, but these numbers are really all that anyone needs to know IMO.

I certainly don't recall seeing a reaction like this to anything that runs Android - not even a fraction of it. People can say whatever they want about the folks purchasing these phones, the sales numbers don't lie. You don't achieve this kind of success with brainwashing and tomfoolery. Apple clearly knows what they are doing.
 
buy a product sight unseen without even touching it.

Why do they need to see it and touch it? It's an Apple product. They know what to expect, because they know Apple has their ish together. They know what's in store for them. This is not a risky proposition for the consumer.
 
I have the new iPhone 4S, and it truly is one phenomenal, industry-shaking device!

Siri really leaves people floored. I have a die-hard Android user for a buddy and he is ready to convert. Here at work, our Executive Director's special assistant is astonished with the iPhone and Siri & voice infrastructure in it, she swears she'll have one by the end of today! My little niece is moaning and groaning all over her Facebook wall, wishing she had Siri on her iPad. My PARENTS are talking to their own pre-ordered 4S phone like little kids, for cryin' out loud!!!

I don't mean for Siri to take away from the 4S virtues such as how silky smooth it operates with it's new dual-core processor, or how stunning the pictures look taken with its 8 megapixel camera, the signature Apple elegance and usability of even the simplest apps such as Reminders, or the awe-inspiring mirroring of the display onto your home televisions.

But combined with Siri, the 4S truly is most spectacular technology that Apple has released to date, without a doubt! This is industry-shaking, folks. And you can bet that it all somehow gets even better from here!

I kick myself for initially feeling underwhelmed by Apple's keynote release of the 4S. Sales of 4 million in 3 days contradicts all the generally-held industry opinions of brushing off the 4S, easily. Apple shows that it will provide the technology when it's ready, and Apple's WILL be the best of it.

Pissed off that Apple didn't release a 4G/LTE phone (which probably would have had horrendous battery life like the other 4G/LTE Androids)? Apple will make your wait worth the while. And you can take that one to the bank!

Wow, get a grip buddy. Siri is cool, I'll admit I'm impressed with how well integrated it is, but Android has had much of Siri's abilities for a while. I can guarantee you the vast majority of people will not use it much. They will fire it Up to impress their friends once in a while. After the novelty wears off, people will just not use it much. Other than that, it's a slightly improved version of the iPhone 4. It's a good phone, but let's not go crazy.

The iPad was "phenomenal, and industry shaking", but the 4S is just another good smartphone. There are a number of other excellent phones available at the moment as well. Just keepin' it real. :)
 
Wow, get a grip buddy. Siri is cool, I'll admit I'm impressed with how well integrated it is, but Android has had much of Siri's abilities for a while. I can guarantee you the vast majority of people will not use it much. They will fire it to impress their friends once in a while. After the novelty wears off, people will just not use it. Other than that, it's a slightly improved version of the iPhone 4. It's a good phone, but let's not go crazy.

The iPad was "phenomenal, and industry shaking", but the 4S is just another good smartphone. There are a number of other excellent phones available at the moment as well. Just keepin' it real. :)

dude, I am loving siri, for directions while driving, lots of math questions are quicker than punching in on calculator, and I find there are lots of things I don't feel like tap tap tapping lots of buttons or typing stuff out. I will use it lots, and probably more as it's capabilities expand. certain things are quicker to do without siri, but i find lots of things are faster with siri's help. I love how I can tell it to "wake me up in 8 hours" and it does the math and sets the alarm for the right time.

we'll see how this works out, but I thing you are wrong, i think siri will ramp up and own like ipod, and be called industry shaking... yet another thing that others did before apple, and nobody cared about or used because it sucked, then apple did it right and owned.
 
So these 71% actually tried out Siri and the camera before buying? They didn't just buy sight unseen because they assumed they would like it? If that is the case, I stand corrected. And I would hardly call people already waiting in line a scientific survey, but what do I know.

Except you said "If the iPhone 4S was exactly the same as the iPhone 4, people still would have lined up to buy them. The average user had no idea what changes were made to the phone." Despite your attempts to shift the argument, the survey proved your statement wrong
 
Except you said "If the iPhone 4S was exactly the same as the iPhone 4, people still would have lined up to buy them. The average user had no idea what changes were made to the phone." Despite your attempts to shift the argument, the survey proved your statement wrong

You're the expert. If you say it, it must be fact and everyone else if wrong. Carry on. The survey proved that the people in one line wanted a better camera and Siri.
 
dude, I am loving siri, for directions while driving, lots of math questions are quicker than punching in on calculator, and I find there are lots of things I don't feel like tap tap tapping lots of buttons or typing stuff out. I will use it lots, and probably more as it's capabilities expand. certain things are quicker to do without siri, but i find lots of things are faster with siri's help. I love how I can tell it to "wake me up in 8 hours" and it does the math and sets the alarm for the right time.

we'll see how this works out, but I thing you are wrong, i think siri will ramp up and own like ipod, and be called industry shaking... yet another thing that others did before apple, and nobody cared about or used because it sucked, then apple did it right and owned.

I think Siri is cool. But just to keep things in perspective, on my Galaxy S2 I can say "navigate to wherever" and it will fire up Google Maps and give you turn-by-turn voice directions with a moving 3d map. I can also send text messages and emails and it will solve math problems, define words, play music, call contacs etc... Where Siri shines is in the calendar/ reminder area, "remind me to take out the cat when I get home" etc...

You can bet that Google is working feverishly to improve their voice control, so they will probably catch up in that area soon. So again, I think Apple did a great job of implementing Siri, but I don't see it as anything earth shaking or industry changing.
 
I doubt it's the Beta thing that makes it slowler than actually just typing out search engine queries.

"I don't know about that, do you want to search the web for it ?"... uh... at this point, I would have been better off to search the web for it myself rather than ask you ? :rolleyes:

There's 1 bug I attribute to the beta stage though :

- "Call Contact Name at home" works fine. Siri gets the right contact, dials the right number.

- "E-mail Contact Name at home" results in the funnies. Usually, Siri will pop up a new e-mail with the subject line being : "completely messed up contact name at home" and ask "To whom shall I send it ?". :rolleyes: Repeat contact name. "I don't understand completely messed up contact name to whom shall I send it ?". Bugger. Try again. "I don't understand completely messed up contact name to whom shall I send it ?". Cancel that. "Call Same Contact Name you don't understand", bam, first try works fine.

Siri doesn't recognize any of my contacts for e-mail. None. No matter how easily pronounceable their names are and yet has no problem even with the hard to spell crap when calling contacts. Why ? That is a bug to sort out and something that's "beta" about it. But the slowness, confirmations and inefficiencies are just par for the course for Voice control. Sometimes, it is just faster to type things out.

Not to mention the point about "Natural conversation with the phone". Another scenario that caused problems :

- "Call Contact Name". "Which number to you want to use, mobile or home ?". Fine, let's play around with "natural" language and just talk to this thing as if it were human instead of a glorified Voice Control system. "Nevermind". "Which number to you want to use, mobile or home ?". "I changed my mind". "Which number to you want to use, mobile or home ?". "Bugger that, don't call anyone". "Which number to you want to use, mobile or home ?". Rince and repeat for a good 3 minutes of trying "natural" language ways of cancelling an action. The only way I got Siri to stop bugging me was to issue the rather plain and dull "Cancel" command. I thought this wasn't "Voice Control" but rather "speak naturally to your phone ?".

All of this together still leaves me with the same opinion as before : Siri is a gimmick. It's a nice thing to show off, doesn't quite work well in real world scenarios. We're not in the 24th century yet and I can't write this post to the Captain's Log for now.

(wonder how low this post will reach... imagine that, someone actually using a function and criticizing it! I want to point out to anyone wanting to downrank me to oblivion : Have you used Siri ? I have).

Any chance you have an accent, coming from Quebec and all? U.S. English seems to be working best, probably optimized first.

I actually saw some Scottish comedians in a video trying to use a voice controlled elevator; pretty funny.
 
Another problem I have. iMessage won't activate for me. Didn't on my 3GS, doesn't on my 4S. Keeps saying "problem activating iMessage, turn it off and on again." :mad:

Same for Facetime.

Do you have another Apple ID you can try? If it didn't work across devices, and you used the same Apple ID I would think there is something wrong with the Apple ID.

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So name one. :confused:

CoD sells like crazy, don't know if they have hit 4 million in a weekend though.
 
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