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Looking at one of the pictures, it has a Qualcomm MDM6610. So it does have HSPA+ after all, despite the insistence of some that it does not...

The MDM6600 had HSPA+ as well. I think most people had agreed that it did have HSPA+ no?
 
That is absurd and unfounded.

1) The reality is iOS was a few more years advanced when Android was announced so Google had a lot of catch up to do. Google also isn't that involved in actual hardware development. It's up to the hardware makers to tweak Android for many of the specs it employs in a given model.

2) Android hardware is very uneven because of its openness. Some phones can't even be upgraded at all to the latest and greatest -- even as Android proponents carp that Siri isn't included in iOS 5 for phones other than the 4S. Other phones are not compatible with many apps in the Android App store.

3) Hardware is only half of a phone. Their are plenty of beautiful Android phones, especially some of the early models, that frankly were not practical because the guts were so half-baked.

4) "Lame strategy" as you call it doesn't yield 1m pre-orders and who knows how many snaked lines at tomorrow's launch. If Android were significantly more attractive (in usability and design) -- even just one model, then it seems at least a good chunk of buyers would go that route. I doubt all the 4S buyers are just upgrading from previous iPhones b/c the way subsidized phone upgrades are staggered.

5) Google via the Motorola purchase may catch and surpass Apple at some point in the near future but it's crass to say Apple is taking a nap or that it's resting on its laurels. Sales to a wide array of consumers just do not bear that sentiment out.

Motorolla makes some of the crappiest hardware....Google won't slip past Apple in the hardware design....Now since microsoft is hooked to the hip with nokia...then we will probably see some cool Windows phones, but they are playing catchup in the hardware department....ie no dual core phones yet...by the time they come out with their first dual core Windows phone, the quad Core A6 Iphone 5 will be out...plus countless Android quad core phones in 2012.
 
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Stratus Fear said:
The MDM6600 had HSPA+ as well. I think most people had agreed that it did have HSPA+ no?

It did, yes. There was an entire thread of people arguing that it didn't have it, or Apple disabled it (the latter of which I find extremely unlikely).

Maybe they did... iPhone 3G and 3GS had identical basebands (down to the baseband firmware) and yet the 3GS was capable of 7.2mbps while the 3G was only able to do 3.6mbps. Clearly they deliberately limited the 3G, presumably to "save a feature" for the next phone. They might be doing that now too.

If that's the case, hopefully the "full speed" can be unlocked with a jailbreak
 
Apple is more like nintendo. They probably limited the ram to 512 because they are trying to make as big of a profit as they can vs what their own developers are comfortable with spec wise.

IF apples programmers are happy with 512 and it saves them money on each one then thats what will go into it.
 
Although the new iPhone has been announced, I believe it is still vital to perform the teardown. Teardowns prove what the phone is really made out of and allows consumers to be aware of what they are purchasing. Teardowns make creates such as apple strive to make the best product they can without just "filling space". Therefore I believe the teardown experts provide an important role of technological development and consumer awareness.

The majority of people with smart phones think a "tear down" is a tear that runs down a cheek.

They just use their phones and when everything works things are fine.

Tech spec hounds of course live differently.

Following iphone and ipad tear downs is as if we should care what our cars have under the hood.
Very few look under it as long as their cars just start and drive.

What ifixit is very good for is to show us how to repair things when something is out of warranty or a shop fix would cost too much.

That it for me though.
 
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Maybe they did... iPhone 3G and 3GS had identical basebands (down to the baseband firmware) and yet the 3GS was capable of 7.2mbps while the 3G was only able to do 3.6mbps. Clearly they deliberately limited the 3G, presumably to "save a feature" for the next phone. They might be doing that now too.

If that's the case, hopefully the "full speed" can be unlocked with a jailbreak

What I found odd about that was, despite the claims, you can find some people with speed tests on a 3G hitting near 6mbps. I wonder if said limitation was introduced in an update or something.

But as it is, it makes no sense for Apple to do this with a new product.
 
Im still amazed at how well Apple makes use of the RAM that goes in their products. The competition should take a leaf out of Apple's book. They probably wouldnt come close to a stem though lol
 
Apple perfects the User Experience, others just throw more specs into boxes.

why does everyone seem to think you should have to choose one or the other? i'm all for doing more with less, but that doesn't mean you can't put more in there for the future?

i know it won't hurt sales, and in fact it wouldn't add very much to sales to include it if the device performs well without it. my concern is fully about how quickly it will limit how well future versions of the OS run/are supported.

and as for the people here seem to love to down rate anything questioning an apple decision, i'd ask that you at least bother to respond with why you think its "bad" for me to be thinking about how my phone will be running towards the end of my contract term.

its been a rough ride on my 3G waiting 20-30s or more for simple things like my text messages/address book to load, and i'm already upgrading 6months early to try to "keep up" with what is apparently required to have a useable device. what is it about these concerns given my experiences offends you all so much?

edit: life's too short to waste debating with people who are just in it for the argument or to disparage. enjoy your victory.
 
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Apple stagnates development, ...

Feels like the hardware team took a vacation while the iOS devs made Siri. Lame strategy.

Sounds like you know very little about hardware design.

Certain types of hardware design require over 2 years of development and tooling time... big deep-submicron ASICs for sure. If it's an advanced product, the iOS hardware team could have been working overtime making incredible progress the entire past year, and, given Apple's secrecy policy, you wouldn't have a clue until later next year.

Or never have a clue at all. :p
 
Apple is more like nintendo. They probably limited the ram to 512 because they are trying to make as big of a profit as they can vs what their own developers are comfortable with spec wise.

IF apples programmers are happy with 512 and it saves them money on each one then thats what will go into it.

Apple is not like Nintendo. The A4 and A5 have been front-runners in terms of SoCs. Nintendo has converted to using more power efficient, less bleeding edge tech for their processors.
 
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Go go ifixit !
 
Tear away!

To those who question the necessity of such tear-downs: discriminating shoppers your are not!

Since I cannot tear any of ours' apart to see what we actually bought, I wait with baited breath for these updates!

We were upgraded, via AT&T, to four new 4S IPhones.....so let it roll!

All I can say...is....Thank You!

:confused::confused::confused::confused::eek::):):apple::apple::apple:
 
So I don't see anything new to the 4s that can't be found in the ipad 2 that is unique to siri?

I can't wait to hear if at all what Apple's answer to not giving ipad 2 owners access.
 
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