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iPhone 1 = New Design
iPhone 2 = Same Design, improved Capacity
iPhone 3G = New Design
iPhone 3GS = Same Design, improved Specs
iPhone 4 = New Design

See the Pattern? A new Design every 2 Years. Whats hard to understand here?

What I see here is five iPhones >_>

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Don't burn your Apple T-Shirt, this ANALISYS IS A FAKE TO MANIPULATE APPLE STOCKS DEPRETIATION.

I Agree with BGR about this, and WILL BE BOTH A NEW IPHONE 4, AND AN ALL NEW IPHONE 5.

The new iPhone 4 (maybe Named "4+ or 4e, not 4S) willbe a DOWNGRADED iPhone 4, A4cpu (on new process 45nm) only 8GB, SAME CAMERA MODULES AS iPod TOUCH, GLOBAL WCDM/GSM NETWORK, Plastic Back, Aluminum Frame/Antenna, *MAYBE* will include NFC if targeted to More Markets than CHINA (As WSJ Stands).

The ALL NEW iPhone 5 (Maybe Named "iPhone PRO" as some Trademarks tat Apple Holds may suggest), will be SLIMMER (iPad 2 LookaLike) and have a 4" Screen, SAME RES but "Still a Retina Display"..., A5 dualcore @600Mhz (800 on iPad2), GLOBAL WCDM/GSM NETWORK, NFC, 8MPX, and GESTURE ENABLED HOME BUTTON.
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Ugh. Use a spellcheck... and honestly where are you pulling these stats from? :rolleyes:

The iPad 2 uses a 1 GHz Dual-Core A5. There's no reason they can't run the iPhone A5 at 800 MHz, or even 1 GHz.
 
If you offered two phones:

An iPhone 3GS w/ no 3G Chip
An iPhone 3G

...the iPhone 3G would outsell the 3GS by a large margin.

The 3GS had a 3G chip and outsold the 3G by a large margin. I don't get your point really.

iPhone -> iPhone 3G = new plastic case/3G chip
iPhone 3G -> iPhone 3GS = new CPU/GPU architecture(the same as the A4 in iPhone 4)/Video recording/Compass/better battery life (3G had worse battery life than the original)/Voice Control/Storage bump.

The 3GS was a bigger upgrade. End of story. These "4S" would be a small "upgrade" posts just ignore this reality.
 
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What I see here is five iPhones >_>

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Ugh. Use a spellcheck... and honestly where are you pulling these stats from? :rolleyes:

The iPad 2 uses a 1 GHz Dual-Core A5. There's no reason they can't run the iPhone A5 at 800 MHz, or even 1 GHz.

They are counting the 16GB iPhone as iPhone 2 (with the subsequent dropping of the 4GB iPhone).
 
My wife still has the original iPhone and I have a 3G. Whatever they release we are upgrading to. Hopefully it'll be iPhone 5, but anything will be light years better than what we have now. So many apps don't even support iOS 3.
 
So many "geeks" here simply do not understand the consumer market.

The consumer simply doesn't care about specs.

On the "poor" end of the spectrum, people care about cost. These are the consumers a company like Apple doesn't want as they rarely provide a repeat revenue stream. This is where Android has made a killing in terms of market share (but not revenue for the reason stated above)

On the other end of the spectrum you have the "rich", who care about user experience. These are the consumers a company like Apple does want as they buy into the ecosystem (apps, music, movies, ect.) and provide Apple with a repeat revenue stream. This is where Apple has made a killing and it has shown on their balance sheet.

Phones are not (in the consumer market) computers. People expect them to "just work" like a TV or DVD player. Specs are more or less irrelevant.

well said.
 
As I've posted before there is 2 new phones. The iPhone 4S has been done and dusted for a while - also I'll say it again the N94 is NOT the 4S. (Look back at my previous post and you can work out what the product code of 4S).

The N94 has been in development for over 10 months so you make your mind up for yourself if Apple needs 9 months to purely make a 4 with an A5 and a few revisions.

In terms of the iPhone 4S specs I'd guesstimate it'll be same camera as 4, A5processor, Retina display ala iPod not iPhone4 (given this the most expensive part), possible one piece polycarbnate back (again alloy machining in the manufacturing process raises production cost).

Lets just say Apple see China and Asia as being there biggest market and they've got to have an iPhone that is accessible to the masses in these regions. Soon enough China and APAC will the biggest Apple market (yes bigger than the US)

I have to say it's rather amusing watching all the guess work and people working themselves up in a frenzy purely based on unsubstantiated rumours! :)
 
As I've posted before there is 2 new phones. The iPhone 4S has been done and dusted for a while - also I'll say it again the N94 is NOT the 4S. (Look back at my previous post and you can work out what the product code of 4S).

You're right, the N94 isn't the 4S, its the N97, per Wall Street Journal article from back in February.

And the iPhone 4S, aka N97, is going to be 1/3 the size of the iPhone4, and will be sold for $199 without contract.
 
You're right, the N94 isn't the 4S, its the N97, per Wall Street Journal article from back in February.

And the iPhone 4S, aka N97, is going to be 1/3 the size of the iPhone4, and will be sold for $199 without contract.

No it's not the N97.
 
I'll add some new rumor I heard from a new friend working for a Chinese carrier. He claims that he personally tested a next gen iphone on their network:

"Next iPhone is only slightly larger (in screen) and faster processor. Nothing major."

And no iPhone5. (at least for the Chinese carrier)

We will see how accurate he is next month.
 
I'll add some new rumor I heard from a new friend working for a Chinese carrier. He claims that he personally tested a next gen iphone on their network:

"Next iPhone is only slightly larger (in screen) and faster processor. Nothing major."

And no iPhone5. (at least for the Chinese carrier)

We will see how accurate he is next month.

Most likely he's using a test unit regardless.
 
Why can't people understand that this year was all about Software. It was much about iOS 5 and iCloud rather than iPhone. Apple certainly knows that software is more important than Hardware. That's the biggest difference between Android Phones and iPhones. Android's relies on Raw Hardware rather than Software resulting in laggy experience. On the other side, Apple polishes the iOS so much that there is hardly any lag and release patches and updates every once in a while. The iPhone 4S would still be a great phone because it is shipping with improved performance and iOS 5. I would have certainly loved a slightly larger screen but I guess that's reserved for 2012.
 
The iPhone 4S would still be a great phone because it is shipping with improved performance and iOS 5.

iOS 5 isn't really an advantage of the iPhone 4S (or 5 or whatever Apple will call it), since all mobile devices will be updated to it. The only advantage the iPhone 4S would have over the iPhone 4 would then be a slightly increased speed and a slightly better camera? While it's doable, and it's what I believe is going to happen, it's somewhat underwhelming - unless someone wants to have always the newest thing, or was going to buy an iPhone 4 anyway, there aren't many reason to go for an iPhone 4S.
 
iOS 5 isn't really an advantage of the iPhone 4S (or 5 or whatever Apple will call it), since all mobile devices will be updated to it. The only advantage the iPhone 4S would have over the iPhone 4 would then be a slightly increased speed and a slightly better camera? While it's doable, and it's what I believe is going to happen, it's somewhat underwhelming - unless someone wants to have always the newest thing, or was going to buy an iPhone 4 anyway, there aren't many reason to go for an iPhone 4S.

I'm one who always likes the "latest and greatest" but if the new iPhone, be it a 4S or 5, only has a slightly better camera and slightly increased speed, I'll probably wait for the next version. A bigger screen would be a no brainer for me (and probably most others) but I'm satisfied with my iPhone 4 as it is so unless there's some detail we're missing, I'll keep what I have.
 
This is not going to happen

With SJ leaving his role as CEO I honestly don’t believe that Apple is going to only come out with a 4S iPhone. They need something in market that blows all competition out of the water. Apple will need to prove they will not falter or have their stocks drop with Steve Job gone. ;):apple:
 
I'm not buying it. If all this is going to be is a slightly improved version, they wouldn't even bother having a media event. With all the impressive phones that have come out in the last year from HTC and Samsung, I can't believe they would just tweak the current iPhone. Maybe they release an upgraded version and then announce a totally new iPhone 5 to be released later. That's possible.




If all it is is an iPhone "4S", then it sure as heck will be. It would land with a big "thud" in the current marketplace. Sure they would still sell plenty, but it would be a huge flop by Apple standards and Samsung and HTC would have a field day.

I could be wrong ( I think it happened once) but I don't think so.


Oh come on, even if it keeps the same design, the retina display whilst not being as large physically is higher res than ANY of its competitors, also the A5 is dual core. As long as there is a memory bump and the battery life is unaffected (preferably better) compared to the current iPhone 4 most will not be disappointed. Android already has a greater market share than iPhone.

Also personally having got used to it, I like the design of iPhone 4. It feels higher quality than any of the android phones on the market. Put it next to a Nexus S, and the iPhone is the one I'd pick up.

The main difference will always be down to the OS. We already know most of the features coming in iOS5.

Lastly even if we have a new design, don't expect LTE. Apple started with an EDGE iPhone even when 3G was commonplace for good reason, at the time the 3G chipsets had appalling battery life. 4G chipsets have that issue right now.

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iPhone 2, I must have missed that one?!

iPhone 1 = New fantastic design & software which changed phones forever, but no camera, 2g only & terrible call quality
iPhone 3G = New crap design in cheap plastic to get production costs down,but a great advancement in features & performance.
iPhone 3GS = Same cheap design but with vastly improved internals & finally video recording about 5 years after everyone else. By this time, you've invested in 2 years of apps & so you stick with it & Apple knows this.
iPhone 4 = Brand new very pretty looks, but a little let down by a serious design floor in the antenna which should have been fixed at pre-production stage in testing,but Steve Jobs repaid the loyalty of fanboys by releasing it anyway.
A completely redesgned iPhone 5 will raise the bar for others to meet in terms of design, but only match it's competitors in terms of specs.
An iPhone 4s model will simply address the antenna issue(should have been done 18 months ago in iphone pre-production & uprates the specs a bit...
iPhone 5(Pass, for now at least & hopefully a game changer)
iPhone 4s(Gigantic fail & before the fanboys jump in and give me sales figures, the dumbed down masses will swallow anything that's given & Apple knows they've got them by the testicles with iTunes & the Apps)

Apple are becoming the "Microsoft" of cellphones, selling us proprietry crap & no longer innovating because they don't need to with their market share.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INNOVATION & GREAT MARKETEERING, I HOPE PEOPLE WAKE UP & VOTE WITH THEIR FEET IF APPLE LET THEM DOWN AGAIN.

The original iPhone had a camera.

Apps came with the iPhone 3G, the 3GS followed one year after (therefore only one year of apps!)

iPhone 4 a serious floor in the antenna? I assume you mean flaw and yes there is a slight issue, but a piece of sellotape costing pence fixes it. Apple could and should have fixed it by a applying non conductive coating on top on the frame. As most radio amateurs know this would have a minimal effect on antenna performance and would eliminate the conduction between the two antennae when bridged by human skin.

Also think about an iPhone 4S. the A5 chipset is a dual core processor (matches anything Android) and the current retina display is higher res than anything on the market.

Personally I would find a bigger phone less comfortable to carry. Remember the effort made to make phones smaller in the last decade? Mainly done with ergonomics in mind
 
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With SJ leaving his role as CEO I honestly don’t believe that Apple is going to only come out with a 4S iPhone. They need something in market that blows all competition out of the water. Apple will need to prove they will not falter or have their stocks drop with Steve Job gone. ;):apple:
Unless Apple totally drops the ball, it will do fine whether there is an iPhone 4S, an iPhone 5 or both. iOS is no longer the leading OS in new mobile phones, but sales and profits continue to increase, and with Apple's ecosystem in place, people already invested in that ecosystem are likely to stay with it. So, as much as I want to see an iPhone 5 with easily visible improvements over the last model, I don't think that Apple HAS to introduce one at this time. And with what little information is out there to support the impending introduction of a new form factor, I'm not expecting one to be available in the next few months. Apple also tends to introduce new products in January to keep sales momentum up after Christmas, so it wouldn't entirely surprise me if we saw a 4S at the coming media event and a 5 in January.

Edit: listen to KnightWRX, I think he knows what he is talking about.
 
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