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Wasn't the shift in the iPhone launch date done in order to cover off the decline in iPod sales...
Q1 iPad Q2 MBP Q3 iPhone...

As I've said it before there is another probably valid reason why iPods sales are
declining, there are 10s of millions of iPods out there and and many people tend to buy iPhones now, so what they do with them, sell them to others and therefor there's less demand for new ones.

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Instead of a headphone jack, it could be a speaker, but it wouldn't make sense to put that next to the microphone.

I think there is much more room on the right hand side of the connector, that small square hole is there for a reason.
Edit : There is also a small connector next to it.

No, wouldn't make sense to put it right next to the microphone.
 
Apple, please make it look like the iPad or atleast have the backside Aluminium or like the one Macbook airs have. :l
 
What This Means​
- the iphone 5 is in production
- the design has been finalised
- we might see a late summer launch. Maybe a bit earlier than october but later than WWDC. But, we might see a surprise appearance
- you'll be able to plug in headphones to the iphone 5
 
What This Means​
- the iphone 5 is in production
- the design has been finalised
- we might see a late summer launch. Maybe a bit earlier than october but later than WWDC. But, we might see a surprise appearance
- you'll be able to plug in headphones to the iphone 5

I agree with some caveats. I've felt the 4s was a fallback design, that is, they intended to launch a new iPhone 5, but due to component availability they were forced to go with plan b, the 4s. (Let me get to that in a second.) So, I feel like some iPhone 5 parts have been in the wild for nearly a year now. If that's the case, we need to be careful about drawing any conclusions about when the next model will launch, and a fairly high likelihood that parts may already been redesigned.
 
That mic is for noise canceling. It's in a very similar place on the current iPhone. Immediately next to the headphone jack with the speaker very near by
 
How often are these parts leaks legit?

It wouldn't surprise me if Apple controls small leaks like this just to give waiting fans something to hold onto.
 
Apple is not like other OEMs and announces specs pre-release. Also, there's significantly less glitz and glam surrounding MBPs and MBAs than iPhones and iPads - people don't care as much. Apple doesn't even own 10% of the computer market. Other OEMs have been announcing Ivy Bridge models because that's what they do - announce in advance, though many aren't on sale until mid June or so. Just keep waiting patiently.

But this year is supposed to bring completely redesigned MacBook Pros. While I like the look of the MacBook Air, I hope there is some difference between the look of the new pros, and the airs.
 
Just don't assume too much...think the 4S

The 4S seems obviously a plan-b, fallback option that Apple went with. Here are some clues:

-They were late, leaving their yearly cycle of June refresh until October. As fastidious and careful as Apple is with these things, the late arrival indicates--to me at least--that something didn't go as planned. Only the Verizon launch, earlier that year, might provide a reasonable explanation for the October launch of the 4S.

-The 4S isn't half the update other releases have brought. Think about it. Screen stays the same, form factor stays externally the same, no LTE support.

-Meanwhile, the improvements the 4S does bring seem linked to a worldwide iPhone model of the 4S, with modems suitable to the Chinese markets. There is a new antennae redesign, but again this is a tiny revision.

-What about the A5? This may have been intended for an iPhone 5, because the dual cores certainly provide little benefit for the current model. They drain the battery quicker, but to what end? And there is the whole nomenclature...why would you plan on the iPhone 4S to have an A5 processor? The A4 for the iPhone 4 made sense, this doesn't.

-Siri. I think Siri is the single most telling piece of this puzzle. Siri may eventually be useful, but it's going down in history as the most successful gimmick ever. It was already available in the app store, runs fine on old hardware (please see silly debates early on claiming Siri 'needed' those dual cores and did most processing locally...lol). Apple prevented Siri from running on older hardware simply to drive up new sales. Siri was a marketing gimmick, only beta on release (although I'll technically dispute calling anything released a beta--it's just buggy software released anyway).

-And didn't Apple NEED a Siri feature to sell the upgrade to the 4s??? While a redesigned Iphone 5 wouldn't have needed a gimmick, Apple needed something to get people go out and spend money on essentially the same phone they released over a year previously. In fact, this new 4S model in addition to having worse battery life, actually weighed MORE than the previous version. So you have a bulkier phone, with worse battery life, that looks exactly like your old phone...you'd better come up with a gimmick if you want people to buy it. Hence Siri.

-Finally, we had pretty reliable sources thinking a redesigned iPhone 5 phone would materialize right up to launch. Remember those cases for a tear drop form?

All of which convinces me that the 4S was a stop-gap release and not what was originally intended. Of course, these build-ups need production to begin months ahead of time, so Apple probably waited up until nearly June and decided they couldn't put out the iPhone 5 last year, and went to the fall back. Leaving us with another year of a pretty, but inherently flawed, design of easily breakable glass, uncomfortable ergonomics, and a tiny screen.

If I'm at all close to correct, we therefore need to be EXTRA careful drawing any conclusions from parts suppliers this go around. There have probably been iPhone 5 parts out there for a long time. Some real, and some probably already redesigned for the "new" iphone 5/6 whatever they call it.

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That mic is for noise canceling. It's in a very similar place on the current iPhone. Immediately next to the headphone jack with the speaker very near by

The noise canceling mic is near the jack, but no speaker. On the bottom of the phones, the speakers and mic have always been separated across the connector.

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How often are these parts leaks legit?

It wouldn't surprise me if Apple controls small leaks like this just to give waiting fans something to hold onto.

Apple wouldn't have fake components--at least the mundane ones like this--to fool someone. Maybe a fake form factor or screen or some such part, but I think it's more likely this is either legit intended for a different product, or an "old iPhone 5" (see my other posts) part.
 
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I would love an end of June launch like before but without the introduction of iOS 6 to give the developers heads up, this will be launched no earlier than October I'm afraid.
 
I would love an end of June launch like before but without the introduction of iOS 6 to give the developers heads up, this will be launched no earlier than October I'm afraid.

And, we'd have seen far more leaks if it had been in production for a couple months now (as would have had to be the case).

The fact that we're starting to get parts leaked seems to fit the October release.
 
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Instead of a headphone jack, it could be a speaker, but it wouldn't make sense to put that next to the microphone.

What you identify as Antenna appears to be a piece that will connect the part to the rest of the phone. Connectors like that are in my Mac Pro to connect the internals to the Bluetooth and Airport circuits.

As with many phones, the antenna are part of the case designs, not just a short wire. Maybe Antenna Connector would be more appropriate.
 
The 4S seems obviously a plan-b, fallback option that Apple went with. Here are some clues:

-They were late, leaving their yearly cycle of June refresh until October. As fastidious and careful as Apple is with these things, the late arrival indicates--to me at least--that something didn't go as planned.

-The 4S isn't half the update other releases have brought. Think about it. Screen stays the same, form factor stays externally the same, no LTE support.

-Meanwhile, the improvements the 4S does bring seem linked to a worldwide iPhone model of the 4S, with modems suitable to the Chinese markets. There is a new antennae redesign, but again this is a tiny revision.

-What about the A5? This may have been intended for an iPhone 5, because the dual cores certainly give little benefit. They drain the battery quicker, but to what end? And there is the whole nomenclature...why would you plan on the iPhone 4S to have an A5 processor? The A4 for the iPhone 4 made sense, this doesn't.

-Siri. I think Siri is the single most telling piece of this puzzle. Siri may eventually be useful, but it's going down in history as the most successful gimmick ever. It was already available in the app store, runs fine on old hardware (please see silly debates early on claiming Siri 'needed' those dual cores and did most processing locally...lol). Apple prevented Siri from running on older hardware simply to drive up new sales. Siri was a marketing gimmick, only beta on release (although I'll technically dispute calling anything released a beta--it's just buggy software released anyway).

-And didn't Apple NEED a Siri feature for the 4s??? While a redesigned Iphone 5 wouldn't have needed a gimmick, Apple needed something to get people go out and spend money on essentially the same phone they release over a year previously. In fact, this new 4S model in addition to having worse battery life, actually weighed MORE than the previous version. So you have a bulkier phone, with worse battery life, that looks exactly like your old phone...you'd better come up with a gimmick if you want people to buy it. Hence Siri.

-Finally, we had pretty reliable sources thinking a redesigned iPhone 5 phone would materialize right up to launch. Remember those cases for a tear drop form?

Some of your arguments seem to be invalid. Please, tell me more about how both the iPhone 3G and 3GS was only a plan B. The 3G was actually the same as 2G with a plastic back and 3G capability, and the 3GS haven't brought bigger changes than the 4S (new, modern CPU, better camera, and a new software, everything else remains the same).

BTW why should Apple make every year a completely new phone with redesign? That means that the developers and everybody at Apple would have 12 month for EVERYTHING: for making a completely new design, for getting stronger hardware into it, for finding out some more revolutionary things, and for testing and perfecting the whole package. 1 year isn't enough for these developments.

Believe me, if they wouldn't have changed ANYTHING on the iPhone 4, it still would've been selled pretty well. Simply because there are a lot of people out there who couldn't buy the iPhone 4 because of their 2 year contracts.

If Apple concentrated its resources to making a totally new phone every year (with redesign), do you know what would happen? Apple would produce ordinary phones without fantasy like Samsung. Good developments and good ideas need more time.

Not to mention that abandoning a beautiful design after just 1 year is not like Apple... Looking back I find that almost impossible, that Apple was intended to make a completely new iPhone in 2011. There should've been other reasons for the late of the 4S.
 
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How often are these parts leaks legit?
Pretty much all of them have been legit. The fakes usually look suspicious right off the bat and there haven't been many of them.

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Well since MacRumors doesn't seem to care about these part listings I sent them, I'll post them here.

iPhone 5 rear camera module

http://www.chinaontrade.com/en/iphone-5-camera-module-back-original-oem.html

iPhone 5 ambient light and proximity sensor flex cable

http://www.chinaontrade.com/en/ipho...proximity-sensor-flex-cable-original-oem.html
There's no pretty pictures ;)
 
Some of your arguments seem to be invalid. Please, tell me more about how both the iPhone 3G and 3GS was only a plan B. The 3G was actually the same as 2G with a plastic back and 3G capability, and the 3GS haven't brought bigger changes than the 4S (new, modern CPU, better camera, and a new software, everything else remains the same).

BTW why should Apple make every year a completely new phone with redesign? That means that the developers and everybody at Apple would have 12 month for EVERYTHING: for making a completely new design, for getting stronger hardware into it, for finding out some more revolutionary things, and for testing and perfecting the whole package. 1 year isn't enough for these developments.

Believe me, if they wouldn't have changed ANYTHING on the iPhone 4, it still would've been selled pretty well. Simply because there are a lot of people out there who couldn't buy the iPhone 4 because of their 2 year contracts.

If Apple would concentrate its resources to making a totally new phone every year (with redesign), do you know what would happen? Apple would produce ordinary phones without fantasy like Samsung. Good developments and good ideas need more time.

Not to mention that abandoning a beautiful design after just 1 year is not like Apple... Looking back I find that almost impossible, that Apple was intended to make a completely new iPhone in 2011. There should've been other reasons for the late of the 4S.

The upgrade to 3G was a pretty huge deal. At the time, many refused to take the iPhone seriously as it was only an EDGE phone. I think it's quite similar to the move to 4G, which, again is a generational change requiring new modem. They improved antennae design for better reception.

The 3G to 3GS saw the inclusion of a video camera where none had existed previously, it also brought GPS integration, more RAM if memory serves, far better blue tooth support. And, of course it was faster.

The 4 came with completely new screen, form factor, front facing camera, more RAM, better reception still. Clearly, the 4 was the biggest improvement yet.

The 4S didn't bring LTE, a different screen, any really new functionality (video image stabilization is one), and at the same time weighs more and eats more battery. THE major change for the 4S is the combined CDMA/GSM modem Apple wanted to reduce costs making two separate models...something few customers cared about, and isn't even marketed by Apple.

I stand by my assertion that the 4S appears to have been a fall-back option. Nothing wrong with having a fall-back, every company should have one, and if the 4S is such a phone, it helps explain a lot...like why they crippled Siri on older phones.
 
That mic is for noise canceling. It's in a very similar place on the current iPhone. Immediately next to the headphone jack with the speaker very near by
That actually makes the most sense. But the black box just doesn't look like what they've done in the past for the earpiece. Although, if that's the case then we're actually looking at the back of it if they're keeping the headphone jack and in the same spot (top left) ...

After thinking about it, I'm convinced this is accurate. This piece is for the top of the phone not the bottom.

Anyone have a shot of the 4/4S piece from the back?

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Found one from iFixit that gives you an idea. The headphone jack/noise canceling mic and earpiece are separate though.
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Every iPhone came with final version of new iOS release. (beta of iOS6 = June, final version of iOS6 = october = 6th iPhone )

My predictions:

- same structure, thinner, little bit wider
- metal back
- 4", same 3:2 form factor, 1024x768 (>300ppi)
- A5 X chip@32nm (ipad is 45nm)
- LTE (28nm Qualcomm chip)
- NFC (service iPay/iWallet)
- FaceTime HD
- 1GB RAM
- iOS 6

I think you're probably pretty close here. Supposedly there have been issues with reception and metal backs, but I can't see them keeping the double glass front and back where the delicate edges are exposed. The 4 and 4s are just far too breakable as it stands, so they'll have to do something.

I'm hoping for a larger screen too, maybe 4.3-4.5, and I'd love for it to be the non-pentile super Amoled plus that would make it easier to read in the sun.

One more thing... I would like them to return to a wider form and curved back. I preferred the ergonomics of the 3G and 3GS and over the recent generations. Admittedly the old 3G/3GS felt less substantial, but they also felt like they were meant to be held. The 4/4S seem to be designed to be look pretty first and foremost.
 
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The upgrade to 3G was a pretty deal. At the time, many refused to take the iPhone seriously as it was only an EDGE phone. I think it's quite similar to the move to 4G, which, again is a generational change requiring new modem. They improved antennae design for better reception.

The 3G to 3GS saw the inclusion of a video camera where none had existed previously, it also brought GPS integration, more RAM if memory serves, far better blue tooth support. And, of course it was faster.

The 4 came with completely new screen, form factor, front facing camera, more RAM, better reception still. Clearly, the 4 was the biggest improvement yet.

The 4S didn't bring LTE, a different screen, any really new functionality (video image stabilization is one), and at the same time weighs more and eats more battery. THE major change for the 4S is the combined CDMA/GSM modem Apple wanted to reduce costs making two separate models...something few customers cared about, and isn't even marketed by Apple.

I stand by my assertion that the, in my opinion, the 4S appears to have been a fall-back option. Nothing wrong with having a fall-back, every company should have one, and if the 4S is such a phone, it helps explain a lot...like why they crippled Siri on older phones.

I see your point, but I still don't see how the difference between 3G and 3GS was bigger than the one between 4 and 4S.

The video recording capability was more like a software restriction (as I can recall), with JB the 3G could record video too. The differences between the camera sensors are comparable to the 4-4S. More megapixels, slightly better quality and 1080p HD video is pretty much, isn't it?

The CPU of the 3GS was a moderner chipset than the one in 3G, it's the same with 4S. Of course the speed difference isn't too striking, but just because the i4 was already pretty fast. That's not a "fault" of Apple, that's just simply how technology works. In the future speed difference isn't gonna be a deal breaker, because everything's gonna be fast enough. I'm pretty sure that the "iPhone 5" (or whatever it'll be called) won't be any faster than the 4S in real life conditions.

On the other hand, they brought quite big changes to the iOS (notification center) and they've built a complex cloud system (iCloud) and Siri, which also needs huge server power.

And I'm adding the fact, that they've made all these things right after the iPhone 4, which was a real overhaul, while before the 3GS there was only the 3G, which really wasn't a big update (except of the 3G modem and the App Store, of course).

So I respect your opinion, but I still think that the 4S was intentional, and not just some emergency solution.

(and I have an iPhone 4, not a 4S :))
 
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I see your point, but I still don't see how the difference between 3G and 3GS was bigger than the one between 4 and 4S.

The video recording capability was more like a software restriction (as I can recall), with JB the 3G could record video too. The differences between the camera sensors are comparable to the 4-4S. More megapixels, slightly better quality and 1080p HD video is pretty much, isn't it?

The CPU of the 3GS was a moderner chipset than the one in 3G, it's the same with 4S. Of course the speed difference isn't too striking, but just because the i4 was already pretty fast. That's not a "fault" of Apple, that's just simply how technology works. In the future speed difference isn't gonna be a deal breaker, because everything's gonna be fast enough. I'm pretty sure that the "iPhone 5" (or whatever it'll be called) won't be any faster than the 4S in real life conditions.

On the other hand, they brought quite big changes to the iOS (notification center) and they've built a complex cloud system (iCloud) and Siri, which also needs huge server power.

And I'm adding the fact, that they've made all these things right after the iPhone 4, which was a real overhaul, while before the 3GS there was only the 3G, which really wasn't a big update (except of the 3G modem and the App Store, of course).

So I respect your opinion, but I still think that the 4S was intentional, and not just some emergency solution.

(and I have an iPhone 4, not a 4S :))

Fair enough...I certainly don't have any insider knowledge and am guessing.

Like you have a 4 and didn't upgrade to the 4S. I had been planning to the 4S/5 but really was a disappointed when they didn't deliver more changes.

One thing I haven't given much respect to is the migration from ATT to all the other carriers. Undoubtedly deals had to be made that promised a certain handset at a certain time. By keeping the changes relatively few, the Verizon iPhone 4 early adopters probably don't notice that their friend on the Sprint phone (4S) is even using a different generation phone.
 
I hope the new iPhone comes out in July ... My 2 year iPhone 4 contract ends July ... Badly need an iPhone that looks slightly different - inside and out
 
It's interesting to see a piece of news claiming that the design has not been finalized, and then another piece of news claiming to be showing parts for the new design. Isn't it more likely that the design would have been at least mostly finished before it began to be produced?

I have the feeling the removal of numbers (new iPad instead of iPad 3) is a way for Apple to hide smaller updates. I think an iPad 2S would have sold less than an iPad 3, for example; and so an iPhone 4GS would have likely sold less than the same device called iPhone 5. However, if Apple released an iPhone 5 with only a few small changes from the iPhone 4S, some users would likely complain.

Calling the incoming device just the "new iPhone" would, then, be a way to make basically a slightly updated iPhone 4S without having to call it something like iPhone 4GS.

I hope I'm wrong; I really hope Apple goes back to something more similar to the design of the iPhone 3GS. The "glass brick" design of the newer iPhones is extremely anti-ergonomic.
 
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