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It's not so much about change for change sake. One is bewildered however why some change is not adopted.

Does anyone remember the "Reopen windows when logging back in" checkbox in Lion when shutting down? You had to ask yourself WHY apple decided to make that not remember your last setting. It was so annoying. Nobody liked it. We had to wait post Steve Jobs for that to change. One has to shake their head and ask WHY???

Some things from apple defy logic. Same goes with their phones and iOS.

For now I'm sticking with iPhone - albeit 4S. But I do see the point of view of people as starting to get tired. So far everybody I know that jumped ship to an S3 is quite happy all this time down the track. Their only gripe is the poorer battery life.

But poorer battery life came free with iOS6. Lucky us.

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Get a galaxy note 2 if you can handle the size. Battery life is nothing short of amazing. I dont even need a spare battery even tho I can get 1.
 
Keep at it fanboy. Love the denial.

The denial? lmao! As an owner of both the iPhone 5 and the S3 I can assure there is no "denial" over here.

The Android operating system is clumsy - even with Jellybean. I also own a Motorola Android Razr Maxx which runs Ice Cream Sandwich... it's horrible.

Yes their screens are nice and big. The battery on the Razr Maxx is hands down the longest lasting battery I've yet to use - nearly twice as long as the other phones.

But the overall experience... simply... isn't the same. Period. It's NOT.

I also dislike how they've flooded the market with all types of devices in an effort to get one into the consumers hands. It makes their products seem cheap and that's because, for the most part, they are. There isn't a damn person that can tell me that the S3 has a better build quality than the iPhone 5.

And don't get me wrong... the S3, imo, IS the 2nd best smart phone on the market. But some of you need to stop with that nonsense about it being better than the iPhone 5. That's simply not true.

Samsung has got so many people duped into believing that they're the innovative tech company they claim to be. They're not. They have a longgggg history of forging other companies tech and ideas. It's obvious in just about every product they create. Even the S3 shows some of that in more subtle ways.

Now I'll be the first to say that Apple doesn't have the squeaky clean record that they claim either but they're FAR less so likely to steal an idea like Samsung.

This is for everyone out there who was duped... like myself... into believing that Samsung makes a superior smartphone and has had a subpar experience with it... full of hindsight and regret.

This is where the little kids flame me.
Just telling it like it is.
Flame on.

:apple:
 
Many sites don't offer that option and force the mobile setting. Many Android browsers (Dolphin) allow you to change the setting permanently. Personally, I use the desktop useragent all the time.

I can see doing this on a tablet but I find full websites are cumbersome on my phone. Generally stick with the mobile versions. The few sites that I sometimes use the full version have the option.

To bad Android tablets don't have a tablet specific user agent to load the tablet versions of websites. I guess that is the reason that some Android browsers provide the option to change the user agent.

Just so I can see an example, where is an example of a website that forces the mobile version, doesn't provide the option to switch, and the mobile version is unusable to necessitate switching to the full site?
 
As I wrote earlier in this thread, I went to look at the iPhone 5 yesterday and wound up buying an iPhone 4s - it felt better in my hand than the 5. The 5 exemplifies, to me, the direction Apple has gone the last few years. That direction seems to be obsessing over making things thinner and lighter, regardless of whether they really need to be. In other words, Apple is turning form follows function on its head - and making function follow form.

I see this in the iPhone 5, the iPad mini, the new iMac, the Macbook Airs, and the retina MBPs. As a result of this obsession with thinness, it seems to me that too much has been given up in performance and capability terms. The Airs and rMBPs cannot be upgraded once they leave the factory - you have to buy a new one to upgrade. The iPhone 5 seems almost - but only almost - flimsy, like it will break if you squeeze it too hard. Of course it won't, but that feeling is there - as it is on the Macbook Airs and the rMBPs. And why does the new iMac have to be so thin, at the expense of allowing a user to upgrade RAM? On a desktop? Really?

I'm now concerned with the direction of Apple. Not the trajectory - it's going to continue to make enormous amounts of money at least in the short term - but it seems to have painted itself into a corner. Once people stop caring that something is slightly thinner or lighter than its predecessor, what does Apple do? All the new products are headed in the same direction, and while that's extremely popular now, it seems as if Apple is reaching the point at which it can see the end of the "let's make it thinner for the sake of it" era.

Or, put more plainly, Apple hasn't done anything revolutionary since the original iPhone. Everything since has been an incremental, evolutionary change - even the iPad, which is a larger iPod in both size and capability. That's concerning.
 
I can see doing this on a tablet but I find full websites are cumbersome on my phone. Generally stick with the mobile versions. The few sites that I sometimes use the full version have the option.

To bad Android tablets don't have a tablet specific user agent to load the tablet versions of websites. I guess that is the reason that some Android browsers provide the option to change the user agent.

Just so I can see an example, where is an example of a website that forces the mobile version, doesn't provide the option to switch, and the mobile version is unusable to necessitate switching to the full site?

Try southwest.com. Could never get it to work without changing the user agent.
 
The problem Apple too afraid change the look so the making the phone over and over again. Maybe they afraid losing stock value. Samsung making bold changes. Now Apple losing good relation with Samsing. What going to happen if Sansung inventing next generation touch screen and Apple no can buy? I thinking they making big mistake

WHy would they change a design that already kicks any competitions ass? lol. The iPhone 4 and up still runs rings around any look of competition. Also why must you have a design change with something that is already good? Just because it is a couple of years old it doesn't mean it is ugly. I have the iPhone 5 black and it is the best looking product in my house.

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To sum everything up:

People who just want a beautiful looking phone and to use it as what a phone is traditionally meant to be used for will love the iPhone.

People who want to use their phone to take over the world and monitor their heart rate, defuse bombs, prosthetic limbs to check the mail without leaving their couch, change the colour of the sky chemically instead of photographically will love android phones. People who don't care so much about the look of their phone compared to the functionality. Which a lot of the people who don't respect nice design will never understand. That is why you see more shattered Galaxies than iPhones because generally people who buy non Apple gear have less care for their products. Don't argue you know it's true.

But everyone knows iOS is a smoother experience. :apple:
 
Try southwest.com. Could never get it to work without changing the user agent.

Works fine in iOS. Went to site, selected full site, and it worked like normal.

Maybe, this is just an Android issue?
 

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IPhone selling very bad in Korea. Oriental know how to fighting by hitting you in pocket book. Look at Japan and China. Chinese fight by not buying Japeses products. Doing much damage to Japan economy. This only small sample but if all China not buy they will taking long time recover. Apple should carefully decide better to negotiate then to suing.

jsut back from Tokyo and aware iPhone everywhere..though not many iPhone 5
 
As I wrote earlier in this thread, I went to look at the iPhone 5 yesterday and wound up buying an iPhone 4s - it felt better in my hand than the 5. The 5 exemplifies, to me, the direction Apple has gone the last few years. That direction seems to be obsessing over making things thinner and lighter, regardless of whether they really need to be. In other words, Apple is turning form follows function on its head - and making function follow form.

I see this in the iPhone 5, the iPad mini, the new iMac, the Macbook Airs, and the retina MBPs. As a result of this obsession with thinness, it seems to me that too much has been given up in performance and capability terms. The Airs and rMBPs cannot be upgraded once they leave the factory - you have to buy a new one to upgrade. The iPhone 5 seems almost - but only almost - flimsy, like it will break if you squeeze it too hard. Of course it won't, but that feeling is there - as it is on the Macbook Airs and the rMBPs. And why does the new iMac have to be so thin, at the expense of allowing a user to upgrade RAM? On a desktop? Really?

I'm now concerned with the direction of Apple. Not the trajectory - it's going to continue to make enormous amounts of money at least in the short term - but it seems to have painted itself into a corner. Once people stop caring that something is slightly thinner or lighter than its predecessor, what does Apple do? All the new products are headed in the same direction, and while that's extremely popular now, it seems as if Apple is reaching the point at which it can see the end of the "let's make it thinner for the sake of it" era.

Or, put more plainly, Apple hasn't done anything revolutionary since the original iPhone. Everything since has been an incremental, evolutionary change - even the iPad, which is a larger iPod in both size and capability. That's concerning.

Agreed. Some of the defenses ive heard for the 13 inch rMP and iMac are mind boggling to say the least from a productivity standpoint. Pretty only gets you so far.
 
As I wrote earlier in this thread, I went to look at the iPhone 5 yesterday and wound up buying an iPhone 4s - it felt better in my hand than the 5. The 5 exemplifies, to me, the direction Apple has gone the last few years. That direction seems to be obsessing over making things thinner and lighter, regardless of whether they really need to be. In other words, Apple is turning form follows function on its head - and making function follow form.

This isn't new. I bet if Apple could make a paper thin phone with a battery life of 6 hours it would make it. If doubling the thickness would double the battery life Apple would decline.
 
Just looking at the numbers. Doesn't Samsung sell like a crap load of mobile phone models from cheapie flip phones to high end smart phones? No surprise they sell more as they have every class of phone covered. I'd like to see how Samsung's smart phone numbers stack up against Apples.
 
The denial? lmao! As an owner of both the iPhone 5 and the S3 I can assure there is no "denial" over here.

The Android operating system is clumsy - even with Jellybean. I also own a Motorola Android Razr Maxx which runs Ice Cream Sandwich... it's horrible.

Yes their screens are nice and big. The battery on the Razr Maxx is hands down the longest lasting battery I've yet to use - nearly twice as long as the other phones.

But the overall experience... simply... isn't the same. Period. It's NOT.

I also dislike how they've flooded the market with all types of devices in an effort to get one into the consumers hands. It makes their products seem cheap and that's because, for the most part, they are. There isn't a damn person that can tell me that the S3 has a better build quality than the iPhone 5.

And don't get me wrong... the S3, imo, IS the 2nd best smart phone on the market. But some of you need to stop with that nonsense about it being better than the iPhone 5. That's simply not true.

Samsung has got so many people duped into believing that they're the innovative tech company they claim to be. They're not. They have a longgggg history of forging other companies tech and ideas. It's obvious in just about every product they create. Even the S3 shows some of that in more subtle ways.

Now I'll be the first to say that Apple doesn't have the squeaky clean record that they claim either but they're FAR less so likely to steal an idea like Samsung.

This is for everyone out there who was duped... like myself... into believing that Samsung makes a superior smartphone and has had a subpar experience with it... full of hindsight and regret.

This is where the little kids flame me.
Just telling it like it is.
Flame on.

:apple:

Look, I'm going to let you finish...but if you live in the US, UK, Australia, etc... (i.e. not Poland and a bunch of other non-English speaking countries) your Galaxy S3 doesn't have Jelly Bean. Why? Because carriers have not released it yet! So before you go and say, "hey guys, Jelly Bean ain't that great! I have it on my S3", please confirm that you live in one of these countries...for those of us who actually know both the Apple and Android markets backwards.

Otherwise, you can stop making false claims...fanboy.

Thank you.

THAT SAID, I switched from my iP4 to the S3. iOS is nicer to use, ICS (Android 4.0.4) has more functionality. It's like comparing a Mac to a PC (about 10 years ago, when Macs weren't as cross-compatible as they are now).
 
Cos Samsung makes the best phones. It's no wonder.


Love my Apple stuffy... But iPhone? No thanx. No more. Im in 2012 and not 2007 - iPhone just cant do the stuff I need.

Considering the best Samsung phone is crushed performance-wise, software-wise and construction-wise, the only thing the 5 lacks is NFC. Methinks you're living in some form of reality distorting bubble.

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Keep at it fanboy. Love the denial.

Right back at you, fanboy.

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All info on homescreen.

Folders for every kind of documents you need and want.

SCREEN SIZE - Im on a Note 2

I can splitscreen... Do 2 Apps at a time.

Maps ! That actually works outside USA

and soooo on...

1: meh, considering each app has internalised folders and can share them if need be.
2: I want a phone, not a tablet that bends in my hands. I laugh at the build quality of Samsung phones, and the reality distortion field they're attempting to implement on desperate sheep suffering from the tall-poppy syndrome.
3: Useless feature on something of that size, even a 10" device is pushing it.
4: My maps work fine, and there are plenty to choose from.
5: So on? What, like touching two phones together to share a playlist? The inanity of Samsung never ceases to entertain.

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I owning iPhone :)
My wife owning Samsung G3 :)

I own both; the S3 is a competent device, and I would say appropriate to be a competitor for something approaching the 4S. If you think it competes with the 5 on any level, you're smoking something that's bound to have a deleterious effect on your mental health.

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Of cause. Profits more important than total market share.

When most of their sales are from 'smart-phones' that don't even compete with the 3GS, then yes, yes they are.
 
The GS3 does look pretty slick. As far as it being more customizable than the iPhone, I would think that most average users don't know how or care to take advantage of that. I like the iOS interface. It is very simplified and easy to navigate & kill apps. I dig the smaller form factor too. I'm a Mac user, so I like that it's easy to sync with my hardware. I'm not a fan of syncing things via the internet like Google. As far as the screen size differential, Apple seems to be adamant about their choice of dimensions that they believe to be optimal for their OS. Why not carry an iPhone with a wider screen and an iPhone mini? Kinda like what they did with the iPad? All in all, I like my iPhone 4s and I'm only paying $30/month on Virgin. Yeah the network might be slower than the two big boy carriers, but the $$ I'll save in the long run is worth it. I use the WiFi more anyways.
 
Considering the best Samsung phone is crushed performance-wise, software-wise and construction-wise, the only thing the 5 lacks is NFC. Methinks you're living in some form of reality distorting bubble.

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Right back at you, fanboy.

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1: meh, considering each app has internalised folders and can share them if need be.
2: I want a phone, not a tablet that bends in my hands. I laugh at the build quality of Samsung phones, and the reality distortion field they're attempting to implement on desperate sheep suffering from the tall-poppy syndrome.
3: Useless feature on something of that size, even a 10" device is pushing it.
4: My maps work fine, and there are plenty to choose from.
5: So on? What, like touching two phones together to share a playlist? The inanity of Samsung never ceases to entertain.

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I own both; the S3 is a competent device, and I would say appropriate to be a competitor for something approaching the 4S. If you think it competes with the 5 on any level, you're smoking something that's bound to have a deleterious effect on your mental health.

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When most of their sales are from 'smart-phones' that don't even compete with the 3GS, then yes, yes they are.

QFT. I have a few colleagues with the S3 and the build quality of the thing doesn't convince me that much thought went into its design.

Samsung phones are sold through spec-based marketing, not the quality of the product. Still haven't seen anything in Samsung or Android for that matter that convinces me to switch phones.
 
What do you NEED from a phone that the iPhone does not do. I express the "need" part of your comment.

1) Flash video. On the galaxy note 2 i even get better performance than my macbook. Not sure why android "officially" took it off the play store. Works great.
2) removable battery, not so much for day to day use as my battery life is great but after a while when performance drops i can put a brand spanker in
 
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Whilst I see what you're getting at, what do you seriously think is a better end result of dropping a phone:

- Drop a Samsung, back cover pops off, the battery comes out, and maybe the SD or Sim card as well - you shout at the floor, pick the bits up, put it back together and carry on.

- Drop an iPhone, smash the screen, scuff the metalwork, shout at the floor, then go into your local AppleStore and ask how much it'll cost.

Or even scratch your rear panel on samsung, goto ebay or wherever get a brand new one for pennies.
 
1) Flash video. On the galaxy note 2 i even get better performance than my macbook. Not sure why android "officially" took it off the play store. Works great.

Didn't Adobe abandon flash for mobile devices? Or is it something else you're talking about?
 
Didn't Adobe abandon flash for mobile devices? Or is it something else you're talking about?

Yeh but you can still get it easily its just not in the play store.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1774336

I dont have a sd card writer on my mac so just put it in my dropbox and opened it up on my phone. Simples.

Its full flash too not just video, but only the video interests me. Im a kiwi in poland so the only way i can watch sport from home is by flash.
 
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Sucker logic.

Samsung and other OEMs keep recreating new hardware because their users can't get the latest release of the OS. They'd rather force them into buying brand new hardware. Android is being released at such a pace the OEMs and carriers can't keep up, so they ditch their current customers and just move on to new devices. And maybe, eventually put out an update... MAYBE.

I know a ton of people still using the 3GS as their phone. Why? Because over the passed 3.5 years, Apple has offered 3 OS upgrades; 3.0 - > 4.0 -> 5.0-> 6.0. Most people don't care about new hardware, they just want their phone to continue working.

People who do upgrade to new hardware may not be interested in how it looks but other aspects: better screen, faster performance, etc.

When I upgrade ANY product or device, it's not because of how it looks, but rather what it's capable of doing better than the current device I have.

What planet are you on, updating Android OS is just as simple as iOS. Updates are coming all the time to current and older version.
 
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