iPhone 5 Launch Props Up Apple's Share of Smartphone Market as Samsung Keeps Rolling

[TheHateMachine]

American company, American profits.

Samsungs are also made in China. Enjoy your plastic Korean knockoff.

A jailbroken iPhone will do everything an Android phone will do, minus the crappy Android app store.

My point was to illustrate your ridiculous comment. It is ok bro, Koolaid assembled in China tastes just as good right? Is that Apple lodged so far up your ass you can taste it in the back of your mouth?Your first comment seemed really defensive and you outright attacked a lot of people. Does this article anger you? Can you show us where the big bad Samsung touched you?

 

[Dooger]

I am tired of BMW's. They still have four wheels. My car in 2002 had four wheels. And steering wheels; don't get me started on steering wheels.

This is a moronic analogy. The car may still have four wheels and a steering wheel but people want a new one for the A/C, PDC, enhanced comfort, sat nav, entertainment systems etc etc.

 

[munkery]

No it's not. Getting stuck with an old OS version is a known fact in much of the Android world. Consider yourself lucky you ended up with the magical device/carrier combination that allowed you to update your device.

And related to this is malware.

https://blog.duosecurity.com/2012/0...ay-over-50-of-android-devices-are-vulnerable/

 

[samcraig]

American company, American profits.

Samsungs are also made in China. Enjoy your plastic Korean knockoff.

A jailbroken iPhone will do everything an Android phone will do, minus the crappy Android app store.

That's just a flat out lie. A jailbroken phone will not do everything an Android phone. And please explain why the Android app store is crappy. What makes it crappy exactly?

Sure everybody uses their device for more than just data.

But browsing marketshare should equate to device marketshare unless another variable is at play.

iOS has a great app repository so it isn't because of the quality of apps available impeding alternate methods to use the device.

The variable must be that browsing on an Android device isn't as good an experience in comparison to iOS.

I disagree. There could be many variables. It's extremely subjective to state that browsing on an Android devices isn't as good in comparison. That might be your opinion of what the #s mean - but there's no further data to prove your point. All we KNOW is that web traffic marketshare is "owned" by iOS.

 

[edinburghmac]

Samsung phones are rubbish

Samsung may have "shipped" 100M phones but a large number of these are the cheap rubbish that are freebies (like the Samsung Ace), that phone companies use to lure unsuspecting customers into 2 year deals. I'm sure they have sold a fair number of the more up market Galaxy range as well. Personally, I don't see why people are buying these - I've never seen a Samsung phone with anything approaching a natural colour balance on the screen - they always look a sickly shade of green to me - reminds me a bit of colour TV in the 70's where everyone looked orange. I also don't understand why people would use phones the size of the SIII or Note - reminiscent of the 80's "bricks" and Treos people used to laugh at.

 

[sc4rf4c3]

A jailbroken iPhone will do everything an Android phone will do, minus the crappy Android app store.

My point was to illustrate your ridiculous comment. It is ok bro, Koolaid assembled in China tastes just as good right? Is that Apple lodged so far up your ass you can taste it in the back of your mouth?Your first comment seemed really defensive and you outright attacked a lot of people. Does this article anger you? Can you show us where the big bad Samsung touched you?

Lol, look at his comments. He keeps pointing out that the only way for Android to get timely updates is if you root it. Then he's saying that in order for an iPhone to do what Android can do is to jailbreak. Hyprocisy at its finest.

 

[munkery]

I disagree. There could be many variables. It's extremely subjective to state that browsing on an Android devices isn't as good in comparison. That might be your opinion of what the #s mean - but there's no further data to prove your point. All we KNOW is that web traffic marketshare is "owned" by iOS.

Is it possible to get an android device on a service contract without data?

Maybe it is because more android device users get devices with lower initial costs and with less expensive service plans.

This would also explain why android devices have greater marketshare.

 

[Bezetos]

Are you kidding me? Talk about manipulating the facts! First, I can't find a Galaxy S3 on amazon less than $550. Aside from that, are we now talking about apple's cut or how much the consumer pays? If I buy an iPhone5 on contract, I the same as I do for a Galaxy S3. If I buy off-contract, then it's all up in the air. And again, it goes up from there. A galaxy note II is almost $700 if I go that route.

$550 is roughly 341 pounds, so you might have found an even cheaper Samsung GIII.

Why on Earth would we be talking about Apple's cut?

Buying a phone off contract is the only fair way of comparing smartphone prices.

The Galaxy Note II is the only Samsung phone more expensive than the latest iPhone.

So are you kidding me?

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Which are very likely colored by input from Samsung.

Just like your comment could have been coloured by input from Apple...

 

[mjtomlin]

Makes me wonder if you're actually a developer.

Whilst I can't speak for iOS development, the way on Android is that you develop for the lowest API version that supports all the features your app needs, which gives you the broadest level of compatibility. There's no need to target Jelly Bean if you don't use any Jelly Bean features. You can target say Gingerbread and have your app run on anything.

Yes, this is true as well on iOS, but if there are changes to the foundation (low-level system) or some other APIs that make life easier for you as a developer, you want to take advantage of them as well as any new features of the OS that a user may want to take advantage of.

If Apple can move 200 million users to their latest OS in just ONE month, as a developer why would I NOT target iOS 6? By the end of the year there could very well be over 300 million iOS devices out there. Do you really think I'm going to sit down and wonder how far back I need to go to reach the most amount of people? Hell no. Especially if I'm some small development shop. Sure in the future, I may continue to support older versions, but not for new applications.

Bigger question is, why do you NEED to target Gingerbread? That's easy to answer, it is the largest Android user base. This is the reason Android apps pale in comparison with most iOS apps - the entire iOS platform relentlessly moves forward while Android's only viable, thriving version is still 2.3. Since apps don't sell well it's left up to ad impressions to make revenue and that only works when you target the lowest common denominator.

 

[samcraig]

This is the reason Android apps pale in comparison with most iOS apps - the entire iOS platform relentlessly moves forward while Android's only viable, thriving version is still 2.3.

Can you list the apps which pale in comparison to their iOS counterparts?

Thanks.

 

[Dmunjal]

Despite Android devices having the greater marketshare, iOS has more of the browsing marketshare.

Does this mean iOS devices are used more and are more useful?

Or, does it mean that browsing on an Android device isn't as good as iOS?

No, it means that a lot of Android users change the useragent to Desktop since it allows them a better browsing experience. Especially on Android tablets, many sites default to the mobile view so the first thing they do is change it to desktop or even iPad! This messes with the data I'm sure.

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American company, American profits.

Samsungs are also made in China. Enjoy your plastic Korean knockoff.

A jailbroken iPhone will do everything an Android phone will do, minus the crappy Android app store.

Nope. Still can't reply to emails with attachments.

 

[Bezetos]

A jailbroken iPhone will do everything an Android phone will do, minus the crappy Android app store.

Keep dreaming.

Plus, Play Store is awesome. Has the App Store got remote installs etc.?

 

[mjtomlin]

It also didn't have any apps, MMS and exchange support. Some people seem to forget that. What it was - was a lot of fun to play with - just not all that good if you wanted to be productive.

Exactly right. But Apple wasn't looking for enterprise customers, which at the time was where most smartphone sales were coming from.

Apple kicked open the consumer smartphone market with the iPhone. It had an extremely easy to use interface, great for playing media, had an awesome browser, was just fun to use.

Their mindset wasn't about being productive, but about communicating, surfing, and entertaining. People who complained about copy&paste didn't get it. Apple later started adding features that corporate users might desire, which eventually led them to become the number 1 phone in the enterprise, supplanting RIM.

Honestly, Apple was the iPod company, what did ANYONE think their first phone would be like? LOL

 

[riveting]

Most high end phones are getting the OS update, they are just slow. For example, all galaxy S2 series are getting Jellybean at least, that is already 2 major OS update, not sure about future support. I agree they are way too slow to release the upgrade though. Sticking with nexus phone would be best.

Sucker logic.

Samsung and other OEMs keep recreating new hardware because their users can't get the latest release of the OS. They'd rather force them into buying brand new hardware. Android is being released at such a pace the OEMs and carriers can't keep up, so they ditch their current customers and just move on to new devices. And maybe, eventually put out an update... MAYBE.

I know a ton of people still using the 3GS as their phone. Why? Because over the passed 3.5 years, Apple has offered 3 OS upgrades; 3.0 - > 4.0 -> 5.0-> 6.0. Most people don't care about new hardware, they just want their phone to continue working.

People who do upgrade to new hardware may not be interested in how it looks but other aspects: better screen, faster performance, etc.

When I upgrade ANY product or device, it's not because of how it looks, but rather what it's capable of doing better than the current device I have.

 

[samcraig]

This all stemmed from this comment: "iOS might not have had all features from version 1, but the OS was never considered half-baked."

I guess that really depends on who you ask. Just like it really depends on who you ask about Android. In other words - it's not a valid comment.

Exactly right. But Apple wasn't looking for enterprise customers, which at the time was where most smartphone sales were coming from.

Apple kicked open the consumer smartphone market with the iPhone. It had an extremely easy to use interface, great for playing media, had an awesome browser, was just fun to use.

Their mindset wasn't about being productive, but about communicating, surfing, and entertaining. People who complained about copy&paste didn't get it. Apple later started adding features that corporate users might desire, which eventually led them to become the number 1 phone in the enterprise, supplanting RIM.

Honestly, Apple was the iPod company, what did ANYONE think their first phone would be like? LOL

 

[theBB]

Yes I agree. Love the hardware of my white iPhone5 but iOS is a disappointment after my Galaxy Nexus. Today I tried to email a PDF (not a link, but the file itself) from dropbox... How complicated can it be? Had to open/download the file in Dropbox, open it in another app: Docstogo, email from docstogo. A proper file system or a folder in which to save temporary files would be so much easier.

Is there a reason why you couldn't just email the pdf from within Dropbox? Hit share button, pick email. How is that complicated?

 

[Bezetos]

Is there a reason why you couldn't just email the pdf from within Dropbox? Hit share button, pick email. How is that complicated?

It's been already explained that you e-mail the link to the file on Dropbox, not the file itself.

 

[rmwebs]

No, no I don't.
I'm using hyperbole to make the point that even without all the newest features at least Apple is adding new features to its older phones consistantly, while Android OEMs rarely update and just push new hardware (which is their business, afterall).

Out of interest, have you actually tried using iOS 6 on the 3G? It's painful how poor it performs - it was slow enough with iOS 5, but 6 really kills it.

FYI the 3G was still on sale up until September this year...with a crippled OS and no future updates.

 

[samcraig]

Originally Posted by mjtomlin
This is the reason Android apps pale in comparison with most iOS apps - the entire iOS platform relentlessly moves forward while Android's only viable, thriving version is still 2.3.

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Can you list the apps which pale in comparison to their iOS counterparts?

Thanks.

Looking forward to your list since I have both platforms and I'd just love to do a comparison to see if you're accurate. Let me know which apps...

 

[munkery]

No, it means that a lot of Android users change the useragent to Desktop since it allows them a better browsing experience. Especially on Android tablets, many sites default to the mobile view so the first thing they do is change it to desktop or even iPad! This messes with the data I'm sure.

I'm pretty sure only dedicated Android fans do this.

Why wouldn't you just select using the full site from the bottom of the page on sites that you want to use the full site?

Seems easier than changing your user agent all the time given that this setting is often reset and sometimes doesn't even work on some websites.

 

[mjtomlin]

Looking forward to your list since I have both platforms and I'd just love to do a comparison to see if you're accurate. Let me know which apps...

Don't be stupid, I'm not making you a list...

If you could read within context: iOS apps make use of newer features within the OS because developers can move to newer APIs quicker. If your users are mostly stuck two versions back, then they're not going to see the benefits that a developer could offer them from the latest OS.

This is a fact. Many Android users cannot upgrade their devices and are stuck. Most iOS users can and therefor can see the benefits of doing so by the apps developers create. And as such, iOS apps will generally be better and more modern to more users than what most will see when using Android.

 

[samcraig]

Don't be stupid, I'm not making you a list...

If you could read within context: iOS apps make use of newer features within the OS because developers can move to newer APIs quicker. If your users are mostly stuck two versions back, then they're not going to see the benefits that a developer could offer them from the latest OS.

This is a fact. Many Android users cannot upgrade their devices and are stuck. Most iOS users can and therefor can see the benefits of doing so by the apps developers create. And as such, iOS apps will generally be better and more modern to more users than what most will see when using Android.

I'm stupid because you make a claim and don't support it? Let me refresh your memory. You wrote "Bigger question is, why do you NEED to target Gingerbread? That's easy to answer, it is the largest Android user base. This is the reason Android apps pale in comparison with most iOS apps - the entire iOS platform relentlessly moves forward while Android's only viable, thriving version is still 2.3. "

Bold claim. Can you even name one iOS app that pales in comparison to its android counterpart? Or are you just making you-know-what up?

 

[NedBookPro]

Interesting.

Went to the Apple Store yesterday to look at a 5. Wound up with a 4S - I preferred how it felt in my hand - it's more substantial. The 5 felt . . . too light and almost flimsy (but only almost).

Yes... exactly what I thought, and exactly what happened to me. Couldn't be happier with my 4S.

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[mjtomlin]

I'm stupid because you make a claim and don't support it? Let me refresh your memory. You wrote "Bigger question is, why do you NEED to target Gingerbread? That's easy to answer, it is the largest Android user base. This is the reason Android apps pale in comparison with most iOS apps - the entire iOS platform relentlessly moves forward while Android's only viable, thriving version is still 2.3. "

Bold claim. Can you even name one iOS app that pales in comparison to its android counterpart? Or are you just making you-know-what up?

Like I said, "context" as was explained in my previous post.

They pale in comparison due to the fact that most developers target a two year old operating system, when iOS developers can generally target the latest version.

 

[NedBookPro]

Cos Samsung makes the best phones. It's no wonder.

Love my Apple stuffy... But iPhone? No thanx. No more. Im in 2012 and not 2007 - iPhone just cant do the stuff I need.

What do you NEED from a phone that the iPhone does not do. I express the "need" part of your comment.

NFC?
It is widely used in other countries.
Let's all admit it. Passbook is pretty lame by comparison to "Tap & Go" and "Paywave" That is the future.

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