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johnnyparafango

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Is there a list of missing features for iPhone 5?

Obviously 3D touch and co-processor features can't work, but I do not understand if there are other missing features.

i.e. Photos doesn't show the new Memories tab as well the new People album and I don't find someone else with this problem.
 
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chances14

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rich notifications do not work on my iphone 5 even though apple said they were bringing them to non 3d touch devices in beta 2
 

lagwagon

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lied and misleading are the same thing in my books. they didn't say they were excluding certain non 3d touch devices

They never said all devices would get it either. You only disappointed yourself by assuming that. Actually it's quite common that the bottom of the barrel of supported devices get very few of the latest features.
 
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chances14

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They never said all devices would get it either. You only disappointed yourself by assuming that. Actually it's quite common that the bottom of the barrel of supported devices get very few of the latest features.
but they never said that they weren't going to get them either. see I can argue pointless semantics too

I don't really care though since I don't use my iphone 5 as my daily phone anymore and will be going back on the shelf once ios 10 is released to the public in the fall
 
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Paddle1

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I wonder why rich notifications don't work on iPhone 5, is it possible they're just not ready for 32 bit... or are they never coming at all. I don't have any A6 devices so I can't check.
 

chances14

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I wonder why rich notifications don't work on iPhone 5, is it possible they're just not ready for 32 bit... or are they never coming at all. I don't have any A6 devices so I can't check.
my guess is they are never coming at all to 32 bit devices

would be kind of nice if apple would just tell us if they are coming to the iphone 5 or not instead of playing the typical vague game
 

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I wonder why rich notifications don't work on iPhone 5, is it possible they're just not ready for 32 bit... or are they never coming at all. I don't have any A6 devices so I can't check.

It is perfectly able to. The A6 has around the same clock speed as the A7. Apple just wants to kill the device probably.

The whole 64-bit mumbo jumbo is just a dumb excuse for this.
 

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It is perfectly able to. The A6 has around the same clock speed as the A7. Apple just wants to kill the device probably.

The whole 64-bit mumbo jumbo is just a dumb excuse for this.

The A7's actual performance is twice the A6. Not sure why you say they're almost the same. Single core scores are 700 (A6) to 1400 (A7). Don't go by clock speed alone.

However you're right that Apple wants to kill the device off. It is just very much Apple wanting to dump 32bit altogether. In beta 1 of iOS 10 there have been pop ups for some apps that say something along the line of "this app is 32bit and is not optimized for the operating system." More and more even when they maybe don't make sense features are being written in 64bit only because 32bit is quickly fading out. Fully expect iOS 11 to kill off all 32bit.
 

Feenician

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It is perfectly able to. The A6 has around the same clock speed as the A7. Apple just wants to kill the device probably.

The whole 64-bit mumbo jumbo is just a dumb excuse for this.

A) you're wrong about the clock speed. A5 in the 4s clocked up to around 800mhz while the a6 in the 5 could hit 1.3ghz

B) it's laughable that you think clock speed is anything like a definitive measure of performance

Edit: Wrong processors. Point stands as lagwagon pointed out
 
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Paddle1

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A) you're wrong about the clock speed. A5 in the 4s clocked up to around 800mhz while the a6 in the 5 could hit 1.3ghz

B) it's laughable that you think clock speed is anything like a definitive measure of performance

Wrong processors. Point stands aa lagwagon pointed out
They never mentioned the A5. iPhone 5 is clocked at 1.3ghz and the iPhone 5s is as well. However, there's still quite a big difference.

I was just wondering whether the rich notifications use 64-bit only code.
 

Feenician

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They never mentioned the A5. iPhone 5 is clocked at 1.3ghz and the iPhone 5s is as well. However, there's still quite a big difference.

I was just wondering whether the rich notifications use 64-bit only code.

I edited my post and added a sentence at the end but forgot to put "edit" at the beginning. Fixed the latter now.

Regardless the A7 was about twice as fast as the A6 by many measures. Whether rich notifications use only 64-bit code, I'm not sure how anyone here could tell you that. Even if they're devs all they see is an API.
 

Paddle1

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I edited my post and added a sentence at the end but forgot to put "edit" at the beginning. Fixed the latter now.

Regardless the A7 was about twice as fast as the A6 by many measures. Whether rich notifications use only 64-bit code, I'm not sure how anyone here could tell you that. Even if they're devs all they see is an API.
Yep, it's like Night Shift and Memories, they're missing from 32-bit devices with no other explanation.
 

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Yep, it's like Night Shift and Memories, they're missing from 32-bit devices with no other explanation.

Missing because Apple isn't writing many new things with 32bit support anymore. It's a waste of time and money to continue to develop for aging, dying off devices. We're about to be on the 4th iPhone release since 64bit came along in the 5s. OS X dumped 32bit ages ago and it's due that iOS does very soon as well.

Once 32bit is fully dropped it will clean up the code so much and make it more efficient. So writing new things today in 64bit only is doing some of that work in advance. (So they don't have to clean it up and remove the waste soon after.)
 
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vertsix

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Missing because Apple isn't writing many new things with 32bit support anymore. It's a waste of time and money to continue to develop for aging, dying off devices. We're about to be on the 4th iPhone release since 64bit came along in the 5s. OS X dumped 32bit ages ago and it's due that iOS does very soon as well.

Once 32bit is fully dropped it will clean up the code so much and make it more efficient. So writing new things today in 64bit only is doing some of that work in advance. (So they don't have to clean it up and remove the waste soon after.)


My jailbroken 5th gen. iPod touch with the A5 had f.lux without issues. There's absolutely no reason as to why they're excluding Night Shift.

I could understand the AI thing for the Photos app, since that requires higher processing power.
 

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My jailbroken 5th gen. iPod touch with the A5 had f.lux without issues. There's absolutely no reason as to why they're excluding Night Shift.

I could understand the AI thing for the Photos app, since that requires higher processing power.
It doesn't seem to be about power or anything like that, as much as it was simply implemented using the 64-bit codebase/framework, which 32-bit devices don't support, as was described in the earlier post.
 
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