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Is Apple still shipping iPhones with bugs? I had one crawling across the display on my 4S and had to return it. If they still can't get these devices out of factories without bugs then the working conditions must be appalling.

must be the maggoty rice that they feed Foxconn workers
 
How is the crowd everywhere?

My wife about to drop down to Portland, OR store to see ...

keep you posted; generally it will be crowded during iDevice launches.
 
I got mine, 64GB White, AT&T Store in Collinsville, IL. There were about 25-30 people in line. I was #5 been there since 4:30am. It went really smooth. Wow, loving the phone so far, feels lighter than the 4 and the LTE is screaming wicked fast.

GOod luck w/ the activations today.
 
Home with my black 32G! I went to a local ATT store instead of the Apple Store and it was a great decision- I got there at 5 AM, and there were only 2 people in line. Even at 8, when the store opened, there were only about 25 in line. Everyone was shocked at how few were there.......
 
I hope the iPhone 6 will have worked out the bugs in iPhone 5.

Lol and im sure you mean iOS 6 as hardware can't have "bugs". Apple can only learn from what they build and make a better product next year but with iOS there's updates :)

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you guys are all losers, why don't you try going out and banging chicks

At least now with an iPhone 5 maybe they can. Just flash it at a bar lol
 
And Apple doesn't bother with gimmicks like "flip to mute" or "palm touch pause something or other", heralding these ridiculous "features" as innovations. They also don't portray competing fan bases as stupid, mindless idiots in their ads either.

I have never really understood peoples obsession with flip to mute... If my iphone is lying face up on my table (or even if it is in my pocket) it is easier for me to just press either volume button to mute it than to flip it...

Also I have one question regarding it.. I asked that in another thread but no one responded... If the phone is lying face up and I flip to mute it... Now it is lying face up... What if the person immediately calls... Do I flip it back to face up and it'll still mute...? Or do I flip it face up and flip it face down again...?
 
you can purchase at full retail pricing so you're not locked into a contract with the carrier, but they're not selling unlocked versions of the device yet

So if you buy FULL retail can you unlock it easily at a later date? Is there a difference between FULL retail devices sold today and future pre-unlocked phones sold at a later date.

How does that process work? You bring it into your carrier or Apple?

Thanks!
 
I have never really understood peoples obsession with flip to mute... If my iphone is lying face up on my table (or even if it is in my pocket) it is easier for me to just press either volume button to mute it than to flip it...

Also I have one question regarding it.. I asked that in another thread but no one responded... If the phone is lying face up and I flip to mute it... Now it is lying face up... What if the person immediately calls... Do I flip it back to face up and it'll still mute...? Or do I flip it face up and flip it face down again...?

Exactly....no idea. All these so called features Samsung added to the GS3 are just gimmicky ways to do basic things we've always been able to do.

And the stuff that sounds cooler like the photo sharing with friends and picture in picture have glaring issues. Like, if you share photos with multiple friends, each one has to accept in the order you share with them. The person at the end of the line will never see the pictures until the person before them does. At that point, wouldn't it be easier to just mms/iMessage the photo? (Also I think shared photo streams does this in a much easier way).

And why would I want picture-in-picture on a 4.8" display? I don't even like it on my 42" TV!
 
I'm sure there are many, but as long as Apple continues to sell out of their pre-order inventory in just 1 hour and people continue to line up for days... They will be content giving us small incremental upgrades and small design changes. It's like when hamsters are being fed little drops at a time from a tube....... They still keep coming back and dont require more..........

That s indeed true except that success of apple is not a matter of journalists measuring early success but stock analysts who have very high expectations in terms of iphone5 sales. Same sales number as iP4S (which was really good) would be a total miss...
 
If it's not one thing it's another!

I went to my friend's Radio Shack Store.. He had my phone all ready for me. Of course something always has to go wrong.. The at&t server kept kicking him out!! Their server is too busy!!! You would think this time they would be prepared.. UGH!!! :(
 
Apple keeps making their great products even better. Until I feel they're giving me the middle finger I see no reason to not have the best performing phone when they release it. Did you read the ifixit tear down and all of the stunning reviews? Huge upgrade from 4S.. it IS worth it to me. I've spent all week looking at all of the little things they've tweaked and upgraded.
P.S. I have an iPad 3, iPod classic, two Apple TVs, a 27 inch iMac, a MacBook air, and a 4S.

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Maybe the UPS person will be a chick ;)

Well not exactly. They tend to titrate out features/updates to make them seem like something new groundbreaking. And as much as I like OS X, I admit they do the same ruse on that too. For example it took until a few months ago for them to make "using the address bar in Safari as a search box" when other browsers did it year ago...then having the audacity to boast it as a new great feature. For the iPhone they say Facebook integration is new and better, but other phones already did it. Allowing signatures for different email accounts? Wow that's advanced...other phones did that years ago.

Some people also think they do the same with hardware. People often are critical of new Apple computers saying the tech in them is outdated tech and not the latest and greatest. Which doesn't always mean a bad thing, if it works well with the software that's better than having the greatest newest hardware and an OS that can't handle it.

All they've done with the iPhone 5 is slightly tweak the body to make it longer and changed the back. They bumped the specs inside which is what most phone makers/computer makers do. Then they slapped on some UI improvements, many of which aren't groundbreaking or new, they just tell you it's advanced and new.

I still like Apple's computers but their phones are becoming a joke. The hardware isn't groundbreaking, they purposefully hold off on basic updates/basic features than drop them like they are the next big thing. Spec bumps don't count, every piece of tech hardware is expected to do that. The only feature on iPhone that actually got me interested was Passbook or Passport and that's not even unique to the 5, it's just in the OS and NFC was already in other phones before that. And lets not forget that nearly EVERY phone on the market today uses the same power/usb connector except Apple. And Apple decided to go even further and change the plug again rendering many accessories useless without paying them more for an adapter.

For the iPhone Apple is good at making old tech seem new and for figuring out how to get people to spend more money through apps, adapters, and touting minor changes as groundbreaking and must have. I'm sorry but there's no way the iPhone 5 is that much different than the iPhone 4s or 4 other than the iOS 6 which is basic at best and available on multiple iPhones anyways.

I'll readily say I had a 4s and wasn't impressed. It's great for games, multimedia, and taking photos but was sorely lacking in basic communication purposes and basic usefulness and for me that's what makes a good smartphone. And maybe it's personal too, I realized I downloaded a bunch of apps that I ended up never using, it really struck me as a toy and I don't mean that as a cheap shot or to be mean natured, I mean it just felt more like an entertainment toy rather than a communications/productivity tool.
 
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PLEASE READE!!!

Got mine a few hours ago in Munic.
Nice Phone, but be shure to open your phones in the Apple Store to check for scratches. Many People including me, got some scratches on the chamfered edges.

Seems like Apple hat to lower there quality checks to get enough iPhones for the Release

Return it. I wouldn't pay $700+ for a product that comes scratched / sctraches easily.

I was sold on Black but now that I hear this,I think I'll go silver

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So the iPhone 4s is "obsolete" because the 5 came out today?

That's a bit silly.

No, and neither is the 4 for this matter. Unlike Apple though, most Android phones are rarely supported with new software pretty much the moment they are out the door. The get radical redesigns and priority is given to the new phone instantly.

Apple phones have great resale value because of this very reason
 
Portland, OR pionner place store has a big queue; stocks might sell out pretty soon.

they are handing tickets to those who are in line.
 
Well not exactly. They tend to titrate out features/updates to make them seem like something new groundbreaking. And as much as I like OS X, I admit they do the same ruse on that too. For example it took until a few months ago for them to make "using the address bar in Safari as a search box" when other browsers did it year ago...then having the audacity to boast it as a new great feature. For the iPhone they say Facebook integration is new and better, but other phones already did it. Allowing signatures for different email accounts? Wow that's advanced...other phones did that years ago.

Some people also think they do the same with hardware. People often are critical of new Apple computers saying the tech in them is outdated tech and not the latest and greatest. Which doesn't always mean a bad thing, if it works well with the software that's better than having the greatest newest hardware and an OS that can't handle it.

All they've done with the iPhone 5 is slightly tweak the body to make it longer and changed the back. They bumped the specs inside which is what most phone makers/computer makers do. Then they slapped on some UI improvements, many of which aren't groundbreaking or new, they just tell you it's advanced and new.

I still like Apple's computers but their phones are becoming a joke. The hardware isn't groundbreaking, they purposefully hold off on basic updates/basic features than drop them like they are the next big thing. Spec bumps don't count, every piece of tech hardware is expected to do that. The only feature on iPhone that actually got me interested was Passbook or Passport and that's not even unique to the 5, it's just in the OS and NFC was already in other phones before that. And lets not forget that nearly EVERY phone on the market today uses the same power/usb connector except Apple. And Apple decided to go even further and change the plug again rendering many accessories useless without paying them more for an adapter.

For the iPhone Apple is good at making old tech seem new and for figuring out how to get people to spend more money through apps, adapters, and touting minor changes as groundbreaking and must have. I'm sorry but there's no way the iPhone 5 is that much different than the iPhone 4s or 4 other than the iOS 6 which is basic at best and available on multiple iPhones anyways.

I'll readily say I had a 4s and wasn't impressed. It's great for games, multimedia, and taking photos but was sorely lacking in basic communication purposes and basic usefulness and for me that's what makes a good smartphone. And maybe it's personal too, I realized I downloaded a bunch of apps that I ended up never using, it really struck me as a toy and I don't mean that as a cheap shot or to be mean natured, I mean it just felt more like an entertainment toy rather than a communications/productivity tool.
sounds more personal
 
The iPhone 5 is far from a new design. It's the same dull candybar style phones we've seen for years. They made it longer and changed the back, that's not innovative or new, that's just knowing whatever they do people will line up and buy it. I mean their bragging a new feature of iOS 6 on iPad is a clock, a clock! And Facebook integration (don't have to switch from camera to FB app anymore) as a new feature other phones had for a few years. Then you have the OS that like the phone, looks pretty much the same as 2007. Yet people still swarm the stores to buy the phone.

And that is just sad that Apple could release any old thing and people would go nuts for it. It's sad how many people just blindly throw money to Apple for the newest iPhone as soon as it comes out. I walked past an AT&T store and an Apple store today and people are just standing in line playing on their iPhones 4s waiting for the iPhone 5. Most of these people don't care what the phone does and can't do, it's a status symbol, a cool toy. And hey, that's great for Apple to just know they'll rake in cash because people will line up and buy whatever they put out under the iPhone/iPad names.

But after years of saying how good Apple is, I can see why people call the iPhone buyers sheep. It's a shiny not much has changed since last one device that looks similar and people just buy it right up. How many of these iPhone users even know Apple makes computers? Do they even question other devices or just run in line to get the next iPhone? And of course when will people tire of the same old thing of iPhone and move on?

I would agree that for *most* iPhone customers at this point it is a status symbol and the most important thing is to own a phone that everyone else owns. I honestly believe that it is more then a fad and that Apple realizes they can't lose at this point. People will go nuts to all look alike no matter what they release.

The iPhone 5 is nice update and iOS 6 is solid if minor improvement, but it doesn't really give me an orgasm like it does some people.
 
sounds more personal

Part of it is. My Blackberry runs circles around the iPhone for what I need a smartphone to do. It's intuitive to use, it's fast to work with, and it does the things I need done better than the iPhone.

Part of it is that I recommended the iPhones to many people over the years but when I finally got one I was sorely disappointed with it. How much I realized I have no need for all those apps, how I realized Apple just makes old tech seem new and makes basic features seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I'll still recommend the iPhone to people who know nothing about smartphones, enjoy games/multimedia on a phone, and consider the communication features secondary to having a mini computer. As a multimedia device it's stunning, as a communication tool, it's fair at best.

I think it's a good starter phone for techphobic people and that's fine. But thinking Apple is doing anything amazing or revolutionary anymore with phones is naive...the iPhone was a game changer but now it's just one of the many options and for some it's just seen as a toy instead of a communication tool.

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I would agree that for *most* iPhone customers at this point it is a status symbol and the most important thing is to own a phone that everyone else owns. I honestly believe that it is more then a fad and that Apple realizes they can't lose at this point. People will go nuts to all look alike no matter what they release.

The iPhone 5 is nice update and iOS 6 is solid if minor improvement, but it doesn't really give me an orgasm like it does some people.

I think I agree. I think Apple is getting lazy with development on the iPhone because people just run out and buy anything iPhone now. It's amazing people rush to have what everyone else haves. I had the 4s for a few months and looked around....everyone else did too. And for example unlike Blackberry, there's no actual benefit to everyone having the same identical phone...there's no messenger just for iPhones, there's no secure communication between iPhones, there's no really reason for everyone to have the same device. What concerned me was that if everyone keeps buying iPhones as is, Apple has no reason to innovate. Get people hooked into the Apple ecosystem and it's a pain to leave, so what's the incentive to do something great or different later?
 
Yea!

People are starting to get their new iPhones - I love all of the excited posts! That is what makes this day so fun!
 
So if you buy FULL retail can you unlock it easily at a later date? Is there a difference between FULL retail devices sold today and future pre-unlocked phones sold at a later date.

How does that process work? You bring it into your carrier or Apple?

Thanks!

Last year Apple guys told me the same thing about how it's not unlocked even if you pay full retail price, I took the gamble and bought it anyways. it turns out the iPhone 4s, that I purchased on launch day, which was indeed unlocked. I paid full retail price on launch day for the 4s.

The problem now is why would apple sell a full retail price phone and not have it unlocked?

I have a iPhone 5 sitting in front of me. I paid full price for it, I haven't opened it yet and will not open until i can confirm it's 100% unlocked.
I asked the same question i did for the 4s and was told that the full retail price will not be unlocked. I really think it's unlocked but would like some confirmation.

So has anyone purchased a full retail version and can confirm it's unlocked?


P.S. I really hate how people answer sometimes. It's leaves so much room for interpretation.
 
But after years of saying how good Apple is, I can see why people call the iPhone buyers sheep. It's a shiny not much has changed since last one device that looks similar and people just buy it right up.

Samsung Galaxy phones are shiny-not-much-has-changed-since-last-one devices and Android fans still buy it right up.

I suppose they're sheep too, right? Oh, and looking at Android's dominating market share....yep, sheep. Sheep for sure.
 
Those two iPhone 7's in the window sure are tall!

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Last year Apple guys told me the same thing about how it's not unlocked even if you pay full retail price, I took the gamble and bought it anyways. it turns out the iPhone 4s, that I purchased on launch day, which was indeed unlocked. I paid full retail price on launch day for the 4s.

The problem now is why would apple sell a full retail price phone and not have it unlocked?

I have a iPhone 5 sitting in front of me. I paid full price for it, I haven't opened it yet and will not open until i can confirm it's 100% unlocked.
I asked the same question i did for the 4s and was told that the full retail price will not be unlocked. I really think it's unlocked but would like some confirmation.

So has anyone purchased a full retail version and can confirm it's unlocked?


P.S. I really hate how people answer sometimes. It's leaves so much room for interpretation.

How can the phone be locked if you haven't chosen a carrier when you bought it? Of course it's ****ing unlocked lol. You confirmed that by buying the phone the same way as your previous one. Unless when you bought it you sign up for a carrier contract, then at that point it may be locked. But I doubt it as they have no reason to lock it as you are buying it out right. Carriers lock them when you buy from them on contract as they are subsidising it and don't want you selling it on so easily and what not. personally I hate locking down of phones.
 
So if you buy FULL retail can you unlock it easily at a later date? Is there a difference between FULL retail devices sold today and future pre-unlocked phones sold at a later date.

How does that process work? You bring it into your carrier or Apple?

Thanks!

as long as your carrier cooperates, yes. no reason to think they wouldn't. i read at&t will do this for you over the phone if you're out-of-contract.

i don't think there's a difference once the retail version is unlocked. you'll still have to choose the right version (GSM, CDMA, etc.) since an unlocked version will still only work with certain carriers.
 
Samsung Galaxy phones are shiny-not-much-has-changed-since-last-one devices and Android fans still buy it right up.

I suppose they're sheep too, right? Oh, and looking at Android's dominating market share....yep, sheep. Sheep for sure.

Had Android phones too, I don't know how people use that junk. It's fragmented, behind on the times, and just sloppy UI work. For me it's about getting the best functionality out of a communications device and neither Android or iPhone do that for me.

Maybe you're right, people just blindly buy iPhones or Androids to pick a side leaving functional devices like Blackberry and Windows Phone out to dry without giving them a try or dismissing them as "not as good."

But wait? Isn't the Galaxy actually better specs, better screen than the iPhone? So in theory the Android fanboys would be right to say the Galaxy is the better phone.

The thing is people just run out and buy the new iPhone. Why? Because it's the new iPhone. I rarely hear anyone talk about what they actually do with the iPhone, what great things they accomplish with it or how it helps them with their day to day experiences? I just hear "Well the iPhone, it's the best." At least those Android fanboys cite reasons.
 
I was able to confirm it by opening it. Sometime I doubt my instincts but i guess that's why you have the internet.
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How can the phone be locked if you haven't chosen a carrier when you bought it? Of course it's ****ing unlocked lol. You confirmed that by buying the phone the same way as your previous one. Unless when you bought it you sign up for a carrier contract, then at that point it may be locked. But I doubt it as they have no reason to lock it as you are buying it out right. Carriers lock them when you buy from them on contract as they are subsidising it and don't want you selling it on so easily and what not. personally I hate locking down of phones.[/QUOTE]
 
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