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If by "the best hardware", you mean either clocking higher the same Cortex A9 everyone use, or just throwing in 4 cores, then it's a tradeoff since you'll lose battery life.

I've seen way more people complain about battery life of the 4S than its CPU speed. I think it would be more beneficial for the average user to simply use a smaller die of the A5 and get better battery life than clock it higher and get less.

Number are just numbers and the geeks who brag about their phone's specs is not the market Apple is going after. The "best hardware" is the one that makes your phone actually more useful, it's not just numbers.

The only way to get significantly better performance without trading off battery life would be to change architecture (Cortex A15), but it's unfortunately probably too soon to expect that.

I agree with what you're saying but if Apple shrank components in the phone (screen) and made the phone taller, then they could increase the size of the battery as well. And adding cores without increasing clock speed would keep battery life in check as well, all while increasing the phone's speed.
 
The only way to get significantly better performance without trading off battery life would be to change architecture (Cortex A15), but it's unfortunately probably too soon to expect that.

Samsung Exynos 5 5250 in the Note II is a cortex A15 32mn processor.
Exynos is the re-branded Hummingbird after Apple purchased the team.

If Apple are still happy to go to Samsung for Fab. Then A15 cores might be possible. But none of the other A15's seem to be coming online till next year at 28nm.
 
Samsung Exynos 5 5250 in the Note II is a cortex A15 32mn processor.
Exynos is the re-branded Hummingbird after Apple purchased the team.

If Apple are still happy to go to Samsung for Fab. Then A15 cores might be possible. But none of the other A15's seem to be coming online till next year at 28nm.

Omap 5 is expected this fall and its a15 and 28nm.
 
I think we'll see a dual-core A6 chip.

I believe Apple wants to start having the new chips appearing in their phones first before their tablets, instead of tablet then phone.
 
I think we'll see a dual-core A6 chip.

I believe Apple wants to start having the new chips appearing in their phones first before their tablets, instead of tablet then phone.

dual core? then it wouldn't be an A6 chip. Samsung has already begun manufacturing the A6, which is based off of their quad core exynos chip found in the S3.
 
dual core? then it wouldn't be an A6 chip. Samsung has already begun manufacturing the A6, which is based off of their quad core exynos chip found in the S3.

Oh I was unaware of this.

I just don't expect Apple to have more than a dual core, but I expect it to be better than the A5 chip seen in the iPhone 4S.

Well disregard the part about dual core. :p
 
dual core? then it wouldn't be an A6 chip. Samsung has already begun manufacturing the A6, which is based off of their quad core exynos chip found in the S3.

Source for A6 nomenclature in iPhone 6th gen?
Source for quad core ?
Source for Samsung as manufacturer?
 
quad core!!

I remember reading somewhere that Apple purposely moved the release date of the iPhone in order to time it with the release of new technology.

Supposedly these two components were a new more efficient A6 quad-core and LTE chip that dramatically cuts down on battery drain.


This will be the last iphone design that Jobs was involved with considering its pretty much expected the 5s will only have a new function and minor hardware upgrade.
 
Well, you have the idea. But I say A5X b/c I think that's how Apple will market it. The dual core graphics will be faster than the 4S's and slower than the iPad's. So yea, it will be an A5 with improved dual core graphics but called an A5X. It will be "modified" for the phone.

That'll be how Apple explains it I'm guessing.
Yeah, that's possible. A smaller A5 chip with a higher clocked GPU, and that they call it an A5X chip.
 
Since people say a quad core graphics + Dual core CPU is a battery hog, what about a dual core graphics and quad core CPU? The CPU can be easily dynamically clocked.
 
Since people say a quad core graphics + Dual core CPU is a battery hog, what about a dual core graphics and quad core CPU? The CPU can be easily dynamically clocked.
Well, the iPad has 4 GPU cores... but it acts as if it's 1 GPU core. When you have a quad-core CPU, not all 4 cores are used all the time.

A quad-core CPU which is fully utilised will be just as power hungry as a quad core GPU.
 
iOS is only smoother than Android because it has so very little going on. No widgets, tiny icons, and fake multitasking. Stop acting like the iPhone is a marvel, it isnt. Its a good phone that does a limited number of things well. Apple really needs to update things SOME. A few pretty widgets would be nice, such as a clock, weather, and messages. That, and the ability to do a few tasks at the same time. This will require a much better CPU/GPU than currently in place.

Quad core is completely a waste. My S3 (dual core version) is extremely fast and doesnt crash. A fast dual core with RAM is just fine for a phone.

EDIT: The A5, clocked higher, is likely all that is needed until apple decides to put some eye candy in place.
 
my guess is that it will be some type of 28nm dual core. Probably the same chip in the one x, but would be cool if they stuck an OMAP 5 in there.
 
Source for A6 nomenclature in iPhone 6th gen?
Source for quad core ?
Source for Samsung as manufacturer?

never said that the A6 would be used in the new iPhone. Although it's common knowledge that Samsung was chosen to manufacture the A6. My best guess would be a die shrunk 32nm A5X used for the new iPhone.
 
iOS is only smoother than Android because it has so very little going on. No widgets, tiny icons, and fake multitasking. Stop acting like the iPhone is a marvel, it isnt. Its a good phone that does a limited number of things well. Apple really needs to update things SOME. A few pretty widgets would be nice, such as a clock, weather, and messages. That, and the ability to do a few tasks at the same time. This will require a much better CPU/GPU than currently in place.

Quad core is completely a waste. My S3 (dual core version) is extremely fast and doesnt crash. A fast dual core with RAM is just fine for a phone.

EDIT: The A5, clocked higher, is likely all that is needed until apple decides to put some eye candy in place.
iOS in fact does real multitasking. I think they're dealing with it just great: radio can continue to run in the background, navigation (GPS) can continue to run in the background, uploading pictures or something can continue to run in the background, browsing/using apps and calling at the same time, etc.

I think they dealt with it pretty well. All the other apps just go into a 'stand-by'-modus, which means you can continue where you left.

Also, iOS is in fact more efficient. iOS is focused on just a few devices, while Android is supposed to run well on literally thousands of devices. Of course it helps that you don't have widgets on the homescreen or something like that (you do have widgets in the notification centre, though) - but iOS really is more efficient, especially when looking at RAM usage.
 
We've heard many rumors about the newest iphone...screen size, LTE, dock connector, etc. But has anyone heard anything about a new processor? I remember reading (before the 4S was released) that Apple was working on a new A6 processor. What do you guys think? Will there be a new one or are they sticking with the A5X in the newest phone?

I think we should wait and see... Speculation is pointless
 
iOS in fact does real multitasking. I think they're dealing with it just great: radio can continue to run in the background, navigation (GPS) can continue to run in the background, uploading pictures or something can continue to run in the background, browsing/using apps and calling at the same time, etc.

I think they dealt with it pretty well. All the other apps just go into a 'stand-by'-modus, which means you can continue where you left.

Also, iOS is in fact more efficient. iOS is focused on just a few devices, while Android is supposed to run well on literally thousands of devices. Of course it helps that you don't have widgets on the homescreen or something like that (you do have widgets in the notification centre, though) - but iOS really is more efficient, especially when looking at RAM usage.

Except that the iPhone crashes if you forget to go close all the stuff you opened. Bummer.
 
Historically speaking, new iPhones always used existing iPad architecture, down clocked to save battery life. The only special case was RAM in iPhone 4, which had more RAM than existing iPad.

1st generation iPad (April 2010): 1 GHz A4 (single core), 256 MB RAM, PowerVR SGX535 (single core)
iPhone 4 (June 2010): 800 MHz A4 (single core), 512 MB RAM, PowerVR SGX535 (single core)

2nd generation iPad (March 2011): 1 GHz A5 (dual core), 512 MB RAM, PowerVR SGX543MP2 (dual core)
iPhone 4S (October 2011): 800 MHz A5 (dual core), 512 MB RAM, PowerVR SGX543MP2 (dual core)

3rd generation iPad (March 2012): 1 GHz A5x (dual core), 1 GB RAM, PowerVR SGX543MP4 (quad core)

I suspect 6th generation iPhone will use 800 MHz A5X (dual core) with 1 GB RAM and Power VR SGX543MP4 (quad core).
 
due to technical limitations we know it will not be quad core, and it will not be the A5X. Either they keep the A5, which is not a big deal because it is if anything overpowering the 4S, or they unveil an A6, which we have heard nothing about in terms of power.

I think putting a fully powered A5 with 1 GB of RAM is both likely and welcomed.
 
due to technical limitations we know it will not be quad core, and it will not be the A5X. Either they keep the A5, which is not a big deal because it is if anything overpowering the 4S, or they unveil an A6, which we have heard nothing about in terms of power.

I think putting a fully powered A5 with 1 GB of RAM is both likely and welcomed.

it would be a major letdown if they stick an A5 in the new iPhone. Dual core GPU is insufficient.
 
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