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I'd expect either an A6 quad (A9 quad core - underclocked -based off of Samsung's Exynos, just like every other Apple chipset) or the A5X. While it would be nice to have a dual core A15, I don't think that's ready for mass production yet. Later this year we will definitely see dual core A15's come in to play though (my S3 already has a chip based off of A15).
 
It seems like they would at least have 1 GB of Ram since the new iPad did... The iPhone 4S followed the specs of the iPad 2 with an A5 and 512 MB of RAM... so maybe they will do an A5X with 1 GB of RAM?

I bet they dont - A5X is modified for "large" retina display.. there will be probably different chip.
 
I bet they dont - A5X is modified for "large" retina display.. there will be probably different chip.

Meaning it is special to the new iPad??

What do you think they will do? Do you think they will modify the A5 or do you think we will see the "A6"??
 
Meaning it is special to the new iPad??

What do you think they will do? Do you think they will modify the A5 or do you think we will see the "A6"??

Most likely, a new variant of the A5. Built on 32nm process and using less power than the current A5, while having the same or somewhat faster performance.
 
Most likely, a new variant of the A5. Built on 32nm process and using less power than the current A5, while having the same or somewhat faster performance.

Correct. It will be a "New Chip". 32nm A5. Quad Graphics. Lower power draw, cooler running.

Unless Apple has fabs other than Samsung up to speed no A6 yet. Apple will never let Samsung fab the A6.

BUY WHIRLPOOL!!!!!! :rolleyes:
 
Meaning it is special to the new iPad??

What do you think they will do? Do you think they will modify the A5 or do you think we will see the "A6"??

Meaning it has more powerful graphic chip - which wont get full potential on "smaller" display? I'd bet there will be new generation of chips (not based on A5) coming this year for the new iPhone.
 
Apple already makes devices like that. They're called iPads and MacBook Airs.

I'm not suggesting Apple expand the iPhone to have a 9.7" screen. My point is that if Apple is considering increasing the size of the phone to a 4" screen, it might be better for them to keep a similar thickness level in order to maintain the increased volume and use that space to fit a better processor and bigger battery.

Look around at iPhone threads and you'll notice that quite a lot of users are asking for this.
 
3rd generation iPad (March 2012): 1 GHz A5x (dual core), 1 GB RAM, PowerVR SGX543MP4 (quad core)

I suspect 6th generation iPhone will use 800 MHz A5X (dual core) with 1 GB RAM and Power VR SGX543MP4 (quad core).

I think I've got it. Apple can vary process, cores, clock, and architecture, to get user experience. But the translation is non-linear:

  • shrinking the process by half (from 45nm to 32nm on an edge, about halves the area) reduces power consumption, but by less than half (by about 30%) - effect is dulled
  • doubling CPU cores gives less than double performance (about 1.5) - it's dulled
  • doubling *GPU* cores does give double performance - it's the same
  • decreasing clock by x% decreases power consumption by more than x% - it's exaggerated
  • extra CPU performance isn't strongly needed for user experience
  • extra *GPU* performance *is* strongly needed by user experience

I think GPU improvement makes a huge difference to the user experience, while CPU improvement isn't needed at all. One measure is whether *present* apps are pegging the CPU/GPU - another trickier consideration is that if more power is available, then maybe apps will be enabled that use it (note: this is not necessarily a given: e.g. it was true for decades in PCs, but today, for most people, it's not true).

The strong impression I get is that CPU is fast enough, but GPU is not. Firstly, I've read that CPUs in iPhone and iPad are *not* getting pegged by present software - with the sole exception of photo-editing software (photoshop-like). This is interesting, because most such image manipulation runs better on GPUs than CPUs (since the task can be divided into independent subtasks, that therefore don't need to communicate, aka "embarrassingly parallelizable").

Secondly, when playing with iPads, they are much smoother than equivalent Androids, but there is still a little bit of latency and glitchiness if you really look for it. Maybe this doesn't matter for "user experience", if you have to "look for it", but I feel that it will feel better unconsciously, the smoother and more responsive it is - a kind of physical thrill. And, of course, games can take advantage of better graphics - and people appreciate better graphics, certainly up to the level of 360/ps3. Even if not 100% apparent on the device, you'll see it with HDMI out.

I think they will go: process shrink; dual-core CPU; quad-core GPU and then adjust the *GPU* clock rate to give the desired battery life.

That is, they take the power savings from the process shrink of *both* CPU and GPU, and use it *all* on the GPU by x2 the GPU cores. This gives x2 the graphics performance, but also uses x2 the power. If this is greater than the power savings from the shrink of both, they downclock to close the gap. E.g. if they downclock it to 90%, they're still getting x1.8 of the graphics power of the previous iPhone 4S. Basically, doubling GPU cores and halving clock is always a win, because cores scale linearly, but downclocking scales battery life *better* than linear. So add as many GPU cores as you can fit - and a process shrink enables you to fit more in the same space.

tl;dr iPhone 5: A5X, process shrink, with graphics slightly under-clocked.

PS: architecture change to cortex A15 CPU, and rogue G6200 GPU won't be ready until 2013 - for the iPad 4. But it will cross the magic threshold of performance parity with present-gen 360/ps3 consoles.
 
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We've heard many rumors about the newest iphone...screen size, LTE, dock connector, etc. But has anyone heard anything about a new processor? I remember reading (before the 4S was released) that Apple was working on a new A6 processor. What do you guys think? Will there be a new one or are they sticking with the A5X in the newest phone?
We should definitely see the A6 SoC in the iPhone 5. It's most likely that they use a quad-core Cortex A9, but hopefully they'll use a dual-core Cortex A15. We should see 1GB of RAM, and the dual-core SGX543MP2 with a slightly higher clock speed to compensate for the slightly higher resolution.

I really don't think they'll use the A5X in the iPhone 5. The die size would be unnecessary large. They only need two GPU cores.
 
With the announcement of the Galaxy Note 2 with a 1.6 GHz Quad Core Processor... Does it seem that it is more likely for the new iPhone to feature a Quad Core chip instead of an A5 variant??

no, expect them to stay with dual core cpu to conserve battery.
 
Indeed, judging from battery capacity rumor which is 1440 mAh, which is not a big bump, i think it would be dual core.
 
the A5X was shipped with the new Ipad for one reason and one reason only the A6 simply was not ready at the time of launch and Apple didnt wanna break the product cycle as it had done the prior year with the 4s so they gave it the A5X. Now the A6 is ready to go so why wouldnt they install it, also remember that the Ipda is suppose to get a mid cycle refresh i bet it gets the A6 also
No, extensive design and qualification work has to be done on a piece of silicon. A5X was deliberate, and started 6mo to a year before launch, yes... maybe even before iPad2 launched.

Who said A6 is ready to go. Who said what A6 even is, if they even call it that?

Apple decoupled major cellular architecture and CPU architecture shifts in the past (e.g. iPhone 3G/3GS transition), which lends credibility to the idea of a move to A15 next year with the 4th gen iPad and sticking with the dual-core A9 design for the next iPhone. --http://www.anandtech.com/show/6196/preparing-for-the-iphone-next-rumors-analyzed/2
 
There would be little to upgrade from in that case.

It depends on what CPU it is based off of. If it is still the A5 based off the Cortex A9( but using the 32 nm process), I hope it would be at least clocked faster. I am hoping for a Cortex A15 based CPU since it is supposed to be more power efficient with even using the same basic battery as the 4S, should improve battery life( granted LTE or some other feature doesn't nullify the power savings).
 
2012, less than 2000 mAh battery capacity is actually mind bogging.... Bigger retina screen size, 4G LTE, those two already need bunch of power compared to 4S. And as we know, there are a lot of complaints about 4S Battery life here and there.

I just hope Apple won't be relying too much on their name and would actually put some new technology on the next iPhone generation.
 
2012, less than 2000 mAh battery capacity is actually mind bogging.... Bigger retina screen size, 4G LTE, those two already need bunch of power compared to 4S. And as we know, there are a lot of complaints about 4S Battery life here and there.

I just hope Apple won't be relying too much on their name and would actually put some new technology on the next iPhone generation.
The display size is marginally larger, and the display's power consumption will also be marginally higher. But nothing substantial. And the 4G LTE chip will be at 28 or 32nm which will reduce power consumption a lot.

On top of that, the SoC will be switching to Samsung's 32nm High-K metal gate process, which will reduce power consumption and leakage. We should see even better battery life than before even with all that.
 
We should see even better battery life than before even with all that.

I'll believe it when I see it, or use it rather.

I'm so tired of the same 'ol spiel every year, "oh we were able to make this phone XXX amount faster and so on and still have the same battery life as the last version. Isn't that amazing???"

No, no it's not amazing, now if you can come out and tell me that a heavy user can have no worries about battery life for an entire day...now that's something. Maybe it's just my 3gs battery finally going downhill but I'm tired of plugging in everytime I'm in the car or near a wall socket in the house.

Regardless, I'll probably slap a mophie juice pack on it and not be worried about it anyways.
 
I'll believe it when I see it, or use it rather.

I'm so tired of the same 'ol spiel every year, "oh we were able to make this phone XXX amount faster and so on and still have the same battery life as the last version. Isn't that amazing???"

No, no it's not amazing, now if you can come out and tell me that a heavy user can have no worries about battery life for an entire day...now that's something. Maybe it's just my 3gs battery finally going downhill but I'm tired of plugging in everytime I'm in the car or near a wall socket in the house.

Regardless, I'll probably slap a mophie juice pack on it and not be worried about it anyways.
Check out Anandtech's review of the iPad 2,4 and have a look at the gains in battery life just from going to a 32nm process.
 
I am hoping for a Cortex A15 based CPU since it is supposed to be more power efficient with even using the same basic battery as the 4S, should improve battery life( granted LTE or some other feature doesn't nullify the power savings).

I was hoping for cortex A15 too, but I don't think it's ready yet - and it makes more sense to use it in the iPad 4.
My faint hope was if Samsung used their cortex A15 chip (Exynos Dual 5250) in the Galaxy Note 2, it would suggest Apple was also ready, and they'd have to use it to stay competitive.

As it is, Apple's A5x is easily competitive, because CPUs don't scale nicely from dual to core (it doesn't x2 performance), and Apple has a more optimised software stack than Android. More importantly, CPU performance is less of an issue than GPU performance... and the A5x has sufficient grunt to run butter smooth at 2048x1536, imagine what it'll be like on a phone!
 
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