macchiato2009
macrumors 65816
8 million is a huge call, its only available in 9 countries this friday.
9 countries this Friday including one where employees might be on strike
iPhone 5 Sales Predicted to Hit 8 Million Units in Launch Weekend
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9 countries this Friday including one where employees might be on strike
FlightAware Flight Tracker - UPS
Look at all those UPS flights between Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, and China to and from Anchorage...
10 in the air at any given time, and every one of those is a major Foxconn manufacturing center and a UPS hub.
Quite interesting considering that this time last month that leg only has daily flights each direction.
Look at all those UPS flights between Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, and China to and from Anchorage...
10 in the air at any given time, and every one of those is a major Foxconn manufacturing center and a UPS hub.
Quite interesting considering that this time last month that leg only has daily flights each direction.
ReallyBigFeet
macrumors 68030
I think this may be a situation where Samsung's "comparison" advertising actually backfired on them in a big way. When you go out with a full page ad that compares a brand-new product with your well-established one, you effectively tell the population that you are having an inferiority complex. And in this case, the audience responded accordingly.
I have to agree with Shaun here. I mean first of all, there are plenty of other phones out there that do what the iPhone does: Blackberry, Windows Phone, Android Phones and in some cases do certain things better. Secondly, I think Shaun and I share the view that "a phone is a phone" so why does one need a pocket computer? I mean sure different for everyone, some people want a pocket computer and others like us want a phone that does the main things well. But the iPhone isn't the only game in town, so the question remains: "what is it about the iphone that millions of people rush out to buy the latest one every time it's released?"
lazyrighteye
macrumors 601
You think people that have passed on to the other side of death concern themselves with retail product sales numbers?
That is the most jacked-up view of spirituality I've ever come across!
They don't?
Dude... lighten up.
I think it's a mistake to conclude that there are "millions" of people that buy every new iPhone the day it comes out. It's not the same as saying, every time a new iPhone comes out, millions of people buy it. I would wager that most day-1 iPhone 5 buyers are sitting on a 4 or a 3GS whose contract is up and are ready for the latest and greatest.
As to why people prefer the iPhone vs Android, welcome to every thread on MacRumors, we don't really need another one about it.
Ugg
macrumors 68000
The part I bolded shows that you are out of touch. Like it or not, the world has moved on from "a phone is just a phone". For many people, their smartphone is their computer. Why carry around a dumbphone, an iPad/laptop, a GPS and an iPod when you can have all in one small, tidy package.
In many areas of Africa, phones have become the game changer in terms of finance, marketing crops, identifying plant diseases, etc. Anyone who doesn't understand this and is dumbfounded about the success of the iPhone probably shouldn't be in an iPhone thread. The world has moved on.
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I'm sorry you feel the need insult people who are simply expressing an opinion. The fact that you feel the need to state that you went to grammar school probably explains your arrogant and aloof attitude towards other people. I have not hijacked anything. I was replying to an OP who stated that he didn't get the iPhone hype. So I was making a point about that. I was also making the point that I would like to see more stories/rumours about the Mac and less about the iPhone. Us Mac fans were here long before the iPhone and it's fair weather friends like you came along and we'll still be here when the frenzy has long gone and people like you have moved on to something else.
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If you bothered to do your research properly you would know that virtually nobody in Africa has an iPhone and certainly not struggling farmers because it's too expensive. Nokia is the dominate brand in Africa and most people do not have smartphones. Mobile phones are used a lot in Africa because their governments are unable to afford the cost of building a traditional fixed line telecommunications network. By using the mobile networks instead they can save money and reach remote areas that otherwise would remain isolated. I've been to Africa many times of the years and lived there for a while.
Ugg
macrumors 68000
I've owned Apple computers since 1992 and have been a member of MR three years longer than you have, so I'm not sure that I qualify as a 'fair weather friend'. Grousing about the lack of MR threads about Macs in a thread about Apple predicted to sell 8 million iPhones in one weekend seems pointless. I love my Mac but I, like many iPhone and iPad users need it for only a few stationary tasks.
I made no claims about iPhones in Africa at all. In fact Ill bet that Apple sells very few there . I did, however state that smartphones have changed the world in a way that few people could have imagined even 5 years ago. The fact that dumb phones are all that you are interested in indicates your myopia regarding the impact of smartphones in general and the iPhone in particular.
It's amazing that Apple has not only come up with such a wonderful device but that they have been, year after year, been able to maintain such incredible QC, and customer service. If that comes at the cost of Macs, then so be it. Mobile computing and the cloud are the future.
renai-spirit
macrumors member
It has had news about Macs recently. But in the week around the release of a new iPhone, it's not surprising that most of the news is about ... the iPhone. Get a grip, and a little patience.
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That's exactly what I was thinking.
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"Smartphones have changed the world". What complete BS. Vaccines for killer diseases change the world, pioneering work in science and engineering change the world. The smartphone is a toy for people to pontificate about and make themselves feel important while walking down the street. Mobile computing is not the future. Millions of people every day do their work on desktop computers. Super computers power business, industry, science and research. That is NEVER going to change. You may think your smartphone is a computer because no doubt that helps you justify how much it cost but it's not a true computer and it never will be.
And as for the Cloud don't make me laugh. I was doing cloud computing in the 1990's only then it was called Client/Server computing and it died a miserable death once people realised how unreliable it was. Try uploading several GB's of data to your cloud provider and tell me how many hours or even days it took to complete then tell me how that is more convenient than local storage?
Phightinphils
macrumors 6502
October 10th Availability ???
What are everyone's thoughts on availability of buying in store on October 9th? My upgrade is not til then unfortunately. I have a gut wrenching feeling that AT&T, Walmart, Best Buy, Sams Club, Radio Shack, or any other re-seller won't have any 32gb or 64gb 5's in stock by then.
What if Apple has the same production issues as they did with the rMBP
Any input on oct. availability would be greatly appreciated
What are everyone's thoughts on availability of buying in store on October 9th? My upgrade is not til then unfortunately. I have a gut wrenching feeling that AT&T, Walmart, Best Buy, Sams Club, Radio Shack, or any other re-seller won't have any 32gb or 64gb 5's in stock by then.
What if Apple has the same production issues as they did with the rMBP
Any input on oct. availability would be greatly appreciated
xofruitcake
macrumors 6502a
I beg to differ. You are looking at the world through a prism that was constructed in the 80 and never get upgraded. The success of mobile device like smartphone is the fact that they marry mobility and computing power together and create new application that no mainframe computer, laptop or PC can do. One of the earlier killer app for smartphone is to ability to scan the bar code of any merchandize in store and the app will tell you which store around you has the best price. Today, my killer apps is the ability to find a good resturant around me when I am in the mood of having Italian food or finding out the time of the movie that we want to see after meeting up with friends.
The client/Server model that you talk about is for business back in the 90/2000. The cloud computing today is for different target audience with different technology. Today you can move GB of data through your wireless router and most people do cloud computing user wireless router. My wife watch streamed video through our wireless router instead of watching TV everyday and it is a form of cloud computing. LTE will change the speed equation one more time. Some of the test show that it is faster than home network. So you can easily stream or upload GB of data in a reasonable amount of time assuming that one can afford the data plan (even the grandfather unlimited plan get limit and the speed will get throttled).
I can feel your pain. I was a programmer for 20+ years before I retired at 46 a few years ago. I went through the mainframe era, the PC era, and the client/server era. Technology world move really fast and what is impossible 5 years ago is being done routinely. If we don't keep up, we will fall between and holding onto things that we learned 15-20 years ago..
yeah that's not how hell works or else it wouldn't be a punishment for wicked people....it's also not how heaven works or it wouldn't be a reward for righteous people....
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They don't?
Dude... lighten up.
it's a ridiculous statement that many people here would actually believe. I'm just trying to point out the absurdity of it.
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This is an interesting debate. There are 2 issues here. Where I live in the UK the local University is using super computers to do pioneering work in medical research which hopefully one day will lead to cures for some of the most common medical conditions such as cancer and deafness. That to me is changing the world. Being able to find a nice Italian restaurant using your iPhone is not changing the world IMHO. I'm sure it's very convenient for you but let's be honest it's not going to change the world. Maybe I'm biased I don't know. Most of my career in the IT industry was spent in the field of mainframe and mid-range systems such as AS/400 working on network infrastructure products for multi-national companies. So I tend to look at things from a B2B perspective.
The whole Cloud debate is also very interesting. What exactly is the "Cloud". It's basically a super computer or giant data centre hidden somewhere that you access remotely via the internet. I don't see how that is all that different from the old days when I would log on to the mainframe through my dumb terminal in the office connected to our corporate network. It's basically the same really isn't. Ok the front end interface is a lot nicer. No more green text on black screen and clunky keyboards but it's the same basic principle. I use the cloud like most people. I use it for my email, to stream video, etc. It's works fine until the internet connection goes down and you can't access your data or it slows to a snails pace when everyone and his wife is on the internet. I think 4G is a huge step forward. But even with 4G look at the problems - the mobile phone networks are not going to let everyone clog up their networks streaming video and even if they did they would just charge a lot of money for their data plans.
Do I think the Cloud is a good thing? Yes of course it is. But I still don't trust it. I used to upload my files onto a Cloud service but now I just store them locally instead on a flash drive and back up to a portable hard drive. It's easier, quicker and safer.
I think in the end we will end up with a hybrid solution. Dropbox is a good example of the future. Local storage mirrored in the cloud. It means quick access to files, you can still work when your internet connection is down or when you have no internet like on a plane, and you get the added security of mirrored files on the internet that you can access remotely if needs be.
Thanks for your reply. Sorry if I've rambled on a bit, I'm very tired today.
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xofruitcake
macrumors 6502a
What the function smartphone offer individual does not change the world. But when you take them in the whole aggregate, it does change how we behave. And the world is a much more efficient place to be in. Finding a nice resturant at a moment of notice is a nice feature for me, but it change how the resturant advertise their business and it also change how we conduct commerce. Have a camera readily available let us see image of a lot of news breaking events. Things like policy brutality are routinely get caught on camera and it change how our police department conduct their business and it is a good thing.
I started with MVS on 370 and end in micorcode so I share your view of the world.
The whole cloud thing is really no difference than the client server computing of the past.. Just because technology advance so much that it can roll into consumer instead of staying with business is a big deal. Now someone can back up and restore my data and I don't have to figure out how and when to back up my data is a good thing. Cheaper storage since I now share with someone and put my data in a big EMC or IBM driver instead on my desktop hard drive is good.. The client is getting thicker not thinner so it does really future the promise of client/server computing. But it does off load data management problem to professional instead of amature customers..
This is rubbish.
Every phone which any Samsung phone has to compete with is just as much competition for Apple.
All you are saying is that Apple has a great unique selling point in iOS - it doesn't mean they aren't competing just as much as everyone else is.
Apple created their own operating system. Android manufacturers don't. That's their failure - it doesn't diminish Apples success.
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Your comment was fine until you said:
'For your information, half of your Apple gear is SAMSUNG.'
Making you guilty of exactly what you claim others are doing.
None of the content in an iPhone is Samsung - Samsung is just a manufacturer of parts who manufacture to Apples design. Components like the screen are built by Sharp and LG, DRAM is sourced from multiple suppliers, and the CPU which is manufactured by Samsung is Apples own architecture, designed from the ground up by Apple. Samsung could not use this CPU even if they wanted to.
Do you go around telling people who buy cars that their cars aren't actually a Ferrari because they use supplier X to manufacturer part A to their design?
No, because that would be ridiculous.
nick_elt
macrumors 68000
I am a iphone user and YES ios is a selling point. But no im not saying they arent competing as much ( I did say I expect them to sell more iphones than anyone else) Apple has a bunch of core users that wont switch but with android their core loyalty is with android most of the time. This is not rubbish, you are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. The sgs3 will now start to compete with the galaxy note 2 from next month for example.
I've heard of the brightness 'issue'...we'll see, testing that when I go check it out. But, not the end of the debate.
You can use the 'one-handed mode' feature on the Note2, and that is the largest phone. Big, yes, but not impossible. Again, it's up to the person's preference in that case. Now, a 4.5 or 5" phone isn't really overkill on size.
Imagine, driving...and using your voice-to-txt to do messaging and other command shortcuts on a phone you can SEE while driving.
Now, imagine...driving...with an small screen iPhone. I do it all the time and it's a pain in the ass. As is the HOME button -i.e. single point of failure- as a h/w piece acting as a regular s/w OS function (to kill processes/multitask reveal). THAT is more annoying to me.
I do agree that it would be nice to have both phones for different reasons. But, the larger phones remove my desire for a tablet in some ways...unless I had money to burn there too
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It better run 'fine' as it is compatible, according to Apple
The point is (that you bolded on my quote) the 3GS has 256M...right now, iOS5 takes up the vast majority of that. I am very aware of processes and apps running in the background and the difference in performance and killing apps and killing apps and killing apps...constantly.
I will try it, of course, but will have the restore ready to go. Getting a new phone soon...not sure what yet. But my 3GS will be my iPod at that point...and will not be compat with later iOS versions, so have to stop updating at some point anyway.
As I forecast, 1.5 to 2 million units on launch day... perhaps there really will be 10 million units sold in the first few weeks, however, as I also predicted, many times over... the iPhone 5 is not going to rival 4s sales anytime soon, perhaps never.
People are growing a bit tired, and the market is saturated.
People are growing a bit tired, and the market is saturated.
Who said anything about a 'fat phone'? I think apple's iPhone becomes fat once people start putting on those huge boxy covers and cases over it...then, thin is obviously not the reason for those people to buy the iPhone.
Yes, I've held a 'large' phone in my hand. So, you mean that the 'spine' is the stubbornness of Apple to change the design slightly? People have different hand sizes and preferences, I dont see how Apple has determined this for all...they have have done some study or refer to the average size hand...fine..still somewhat subjective though.
As for the HOME button...this is a single point of failure. It is the ONLY way to kill processes or switch to 'multi-task' apps. THIS is a horrible way to do things, as my 3GS hardware is getting old and the button is failing. If a new phone has a button that fails, they are screwed unless they have AppleCare, but all-in-all, it shows that the HOME button should not be the be-all-end-all method to do a major function within iOS. There should, at least be other ways to deal with multi-task/process killing.
There are other phones out there...new ones are thin...new ones can be held in one hand as well. Depends on the person, depends on what they want to do with it and how efficiently. The iPhone is not efficient enough for me, with the competition available today.
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I appreciate Apple's ingenuity. I dont appreciate their stubbornness when competition has gotten much better.
Some complain that Apple is losing it's edge though, and they are not innovating as much as before.
No one said 20 phones...2...2...2 different iPhones. Do not marginalize my statements to make it into an exaggeration that is obviously easy to ridicule.
2 iPads, different sizes to compete with Kindle Fire etc...
I hardly think that the latest Android phones are half-arsed...as you put it.
iphonefan74
macrumors regular
8 million first weekend? Not even close. The lack of huge lines all over the country tell you this won't even match the 4s launch