iPhone 5 Screen for Photographers...

[ppdix]

Why are you not just using the website to show off your photos when you're out of office?

I do use the website. I get 2000 to 3000 visitors a month but I need all the tools I can use to show my work. I can point people to my site but they need to be in front of a computer or using an ipad. 40% of my visitors look at my site on a mobile device. I see it on the Google Analytics. That tells me the future is mobile. Like Tim Cook said, the Post PC world. People are mobile now, and the screen size is important. Not all people can afford a smart phone plus an iPad and a computer. The smart phone has EVERYTHING.
THat's why Samsung is selling them like hot cakes. They are big, bright and slim. This new iPhone is gonna suck compared to a Galaxy with a 4.2" screen...
Apple will still be behind in that sense, although they have the fastest and best OS... People want ONE unit that will do everything.
For me, that unit that i take with me everywhere is my iPhone. I have 15,000 photos on it, with albums organized by month and year. I can find and show photos in a flash. Faster than a computer and a lot faster than going online...
Now, perhaps you understand my frustration with this new screen...

 

[twigman08]

Look at my website and after your are done drooling, see the quality of my lighting and the technical aspects of my photos. I am not an amateur.
Www.clicstudio.com

Just saying you're one of the most arrogant and rudest professional photographers I've come across.

And I don't call linking to porn photos awesome work ether on this website...?

 

[ppdix]

I may not be a photographer but I don't understand why an iPhone is being used as a professional device for showing photos? The iPad is too big? I see MANY and I mean MANY professional photographers taking their iPad with them. It's not that hard to "lug" around.

My uncle is an independent photographer that also does a lot of shoots and he always has his iPad with him. I just don't understand how a professional photographer can't carry around a 1.46lb New iPad. An iPhone just doesn't seem like the best way for a professional to be showing clients photos. I couldn't even see a Samsung Galaxy Note. Screen size just seems too small for me.

Though I guess this is why I'm not a professional photographer and am a programmer.

The iPad is my main "portfolio" I take it with me everywhere I can, but sometimes you just don't have it with u. I assure you, the size of the iphone's screen is big enough to show quality photos. I was just hoping the extra 0.5" would make sense, but it won't for me. And I emphasize the ME. People care about many things. I care about a better and bigger screen on an iPhone.

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Just saying you're one of the most arrogant and rudest professional photographers I've come across.

And I don't call linking to porn photos awesome work ether on this website...?

I don't do porn... and I didn't call my work awesome. If you can't appreciate the quality of it you are just too blind to see...
I am not arrogant. I know how good I am and I am just proud of my work. I am being attacked by ignorant people that have no clue about photography. That was the intent of this post. Read the title: FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS... If you are not one, you won't care and you won't understand...

 

[Agent OrangeZ]

Well... I think that "your situation" puts you in a minority and the least of Apple's concerns. The majority of Apple's customers are not professional photographers that need to display professional photos that perfectly match the aspect ratio of the screen. (Not to mention that I think showing photos to clients via an iPhone screen isn't the best way anyway. Use an iPad for that! Too big to carry around... uh... no.)

Most of Apple's customers will be taking pics with the phone's camera and those pics will perfectly match the screen.

 

[ppdix]

I know the ipad is popular among photographers. If you're showing something from your phone, it is unlikely to be more than a quick reference. A phone isn't really the greatest thing for displaying a large array of work. Beyond that it's a mass market device, not something specifically aimed at your market. I would really get over this, and if you don't like it, just keep using your current phone.

If I keep my 4S and get an iPad mini, I am in the same situation. I need something that is with me always and that can show my work. You never know when an opportunity comes and you might not have an iPad handy. The phone, on the other hand, is a necessity. The iPad is just secondary.
I was just hoping for a less wide-screen on the new iPhone. That's all.

 

[Fernandez21]

The images will be the same as they are now, so I don't see how it will make them worse if the current iPhone is fine for you now. Also most android devices are also 16:9 so if you went with them you would still get black boxes. You can always just stick with your current iPhone since it seems it's doing the job for you.

Also for my work I carry an iPad and MacBook air with me everywhere and it hasn't been any hassle. Just get a small compact messenger bag, they sell them at best buy for like $30.

Edit: also what the other poster ment about a thinner screen is that the new iPhone will use newer technology which will put the display MUCH closer to the surface, which will in result in less distortion, less glare, better color accuracy and more detail.

 

[ppdix]

Well... I think that "your situation" puts you in a minority and the least of Apple's concerns. The majority of Apple's customers are not professional photographers that need to display professional photos that perfectly match the aspect ratio of the screen. (Not to mention that I think showing photos to clients via an iPhone screen isn't the best way anyway. Use an iPad for that! Too big to carry around... uh... no.)

Most of Apple's customers will be taking pics with the phone's camera and those pics will perfectly match the screen.

No they won't match the screen, if Apple doesn't change the ratio... No REAL photographer in the world would take photos on a 16:9 aspect ratio. That is reserved for video, as you probably know, hence your name. Would you settle for 1080i? No, u like 1080p, right? Well I like quality too and I know the difference between the 2 formats. The other people discussing this thread have no idea of photography, aspect ratios or anything...
I have been showing my photos on my 5 previous iPhones before the iPad was even introduced and it generated me a whole lot of business... I have to use whatever tool I have available. The iPhone is ALWAYS available and it really is my best tool

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I don't commend you for your attitude and rudeness in this thread but I'm totally stealing this for future reference.

Stealing what?

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The images will be the same as they are now, so I don't see how it will make them worse if the current iPhone is fine for you now. Also most android devices are also 16:9 so if you went with them you would still get black boxes. You can always just stick with your current iPhone since it seems it's doing the job for you.

Also for my work I carry an iPad and MacBook air with me everywhere and it hasn't been any hassle. Just get a small compact messenger bag, they sell them at best buy for like $30.

That's my problem. Even with a bigger screen, the limitation of the 640 pixels on the side will make the photo be exactly as big as it is on the current iPhone

 

[killerrobot]

...That tells me the future is mobile. Like Tim Cook said, the Post PC world. People are mobile now, and the screen size is important....

No they won't match the screen, if Apple doesn't change the ratio... No REAL photographer in the world would take photos on a 16:9 aspect ratio. That is reserved for video, as you probably know, hence your name. Would you settle for 1080i? No, u like 1080p, right? Well I like quality too and I know the difference between the 2 formats. The other people discussing this thread have no idea of photography, aspect ratios or anything...

I don't know why you are pigeon-holing yourself into an aspect ratio that is losing more and more importance in the digital world and digital screen size.
There are numerous famous and well known photographers that do no insist on sticking with a 3:2 aspect ratio. If you spent any time looking at photography you'd notice you're claim of "no real photographer" is bogus and sounds like someone that isn't ready to adapt to the mobile age even though they profess they are trying to. Hell, even most of your thumbnails on your website are cropped so they are not even at a true 3:2 aspect ratio.

I understand your frustrations, but 3:2 is based off of 35mm film - the web, the mobile world, and digital print are not. It's just like back in the day when you went to get a large photo framed and you had to buy a matting so it would fit in the frame correctly. It never changed the quality of the photo, just the edges around it. If you wanted it to fit perfectly, you either had to crop it or build a custom frame. The same applies now to the 16:9 mobile device screens.

 

[james92se]

I like how all you guys heckled/insinuated that the OP isn't a professional, then when he to defends himself you guys act like he's the rude one.

 

[Primejimbo]

If I keep my 4S and get an iPad mini, I am in the same situation. I need something that is with me always and that can show my work. You never know when an opportunity comes and you might not have an iPad handy. The phone, on the other hand, is a necessity. The iPad is just secondary.
I was just hoping for a less wide-screen on the new iPhone. That's all.

I don't think people get what you're talking about with iPhone and the iPad. Yes you said the iPad is the main thing you use, but people don't get you don;t carry it all the time. You run out of the house to a fast food place just to grab a bite and you hear people talking about a wedding. You work your way up and hear them talking how they will need a photographer, and you talk to them and you have pictures ready on the iPhone.
It's not like you run out of the house for 10-15 minutes and think "I better bring the iPad.."

 

[ppdix]

I don't know why you are pigeon-holing yourself into an aspect ratio that is losing more and more importance in the digital world and digital screen size.
There are numerous famous and well known photographers that do no insist on sticking with a 3:2 aspect ratio. If you spent any time looking at photography you'd notice you're claim of "no real photographer" is bogus and sounds like someone that isn't ready to adapt to the mobile age even though they profess they are trying to. Hell, even most of your thumbnails on your website are cropped so they are not even at a true 3:2 aspect ratio.

I understand your frustrations, but 3:2 is based off of 35mm film - the web, the mobile world, and digital print are not. It's just like back in the day when you went to get a large photo framed and you had to buy a matting so it would fit in the frame correctly. It never changed the quality of the photo, just the edges around it. If you wanted it to fit perfectly, you either had to crop it or build a custom frame. The same applies now to the 16:9 mobile device screens.

Learn something today... Full Frame IS the pinnacle of digital photography. In 2012 and for years to come. Full Frame is ONLY 3:2. Anything else is NOT full frame and is of lesser quality. Canon, Nikon and even Sony are releasing Full Frame cameras as we speak. They are adapted to the new Digital and Mobile Ages of Photography. Cameras have GPS, Wi-Fi, HDMI, they record Full HD Video with sound... They ARE the new age.
The only thing better than full frame is Medium Format. Cameras ranging from 30 to 80 MegaPixels and costing tens of thousands of Dollars but with the limitation of speed, bulkiness and price, Full Frame is the Professional's Choice.
Here's a link so you can know something you didn't know when u woke up today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-frame_digital_SLR

 

[dajazz]

Personally I don't see it as a big issue if the new iPhone dent have a 3:2 aspect ratio. I've used a HTC One S & Samsung Galaxy phone to show off portfolio work before and hey show the black bars on the side and it's never bothered me. I usually have my iPad 3 with though if I know I'm going to show a potential client something as typically a 3.5/4" picture doesn't show as much as I'd like. Ultimately you'll be fine, if you're booking gigs from people looking at just an iPhone screen then they likely won't care if there are black bars or not.

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Learn something today... Full Frame IS the pinnacle of digital photography. In 2012 and for years to come. Full Frame is ONLY 3:2. Anything else is NOT full frame and is of lesser quality. Canon, Nikon and even Sony are releasing Full Frame cameras as we speak. They are adapted to the new Digital and Mobile Ages of Photography. Cameras have GPS, Wi-Fi, HDMI, they record Full HD Video with sound... They ARE the new age.
The only thing better than full frame is Medium Format. Cameras ranging from 30 to 80 MegaPixels and costing tens of thousands of Dollars but with the limitation of speed, bulkiness and price, Full Frame is the Professional's Choice.
Here's a link so you can know something you didn't know when u woke up today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-frame_digital_SLR

Yes, but 3:2 does not necessarily mean the camera is full frame. Your 1DIV is not a true full frame (36x24 sensor)

 

[killerrobot]

Learn something today...

You forgot to mention that the only thing better than medium format is large format.

I'm not the one that needs to learn anything new. I'm not the one in denial of the facts of the digital age. NEW digital cameras (small, medium, or large format) allow more flexibility and choices for shooting other than the 3:2 aspect ratio because there are advantages to being able to do more in a digital world.

I understand how a 3:2 aspect ratio works in your favor for your portraits, however you'll need to accept the facts (as you pointed out earlier quoting Tim Cook) that the mobile age is the future and it does not follow the same aspect ratio as 35mm film.

Your shooting a FF argument is pointless, because your whole argument is that the input aspect ratio of your camera (sensor size -3:2) doesn't match the output aspect ratio (print size: 16:9) of the new mobile device screens. As I stated before, you can either crop, find a frame (mobile screen) that fits or use matting (black bars) around the photo.

 

[twigman08]

The iPad is my main "portfolio" I take it with me everywhere I can, but sometimes you just don't have it with u. I assure you, the size of the iphone's screen is big enough to show quality photos. I was just hoping the extra 0.5" would make sense, but it won't for me. And I emphasize the ME. People care about many things. I care about a better and bigger screen on an iPhone.

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I don't do porn... and I didn't call my work awesome. If you can't appreciate the quality of it you are just too blind to see...
I am not arrogant. I know how good I am and I am just proud of my work. I am being attacked by ignorant people that have no clue about photography. That was the intent of this post. Read the title: FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS... If you are not one, you won't care and you won't understand...

Well then something is wrong with your website or you linked wrong. Cause I copied and pasted that website you posted and I sure did see porn on multiple pages...

 

[b166er]

I u don't understand it, then refrain from commenting...

Yeah, man. Read you loud and clear.

You are complaining about hypothetical dimensions on an unreleased product. You will not find any help here.

 

[Alchemyy]

Professional photographer here, though I shoot bands, not female modelling.

I know what you mean, while I too use my iPad and Macbook to show off work, there are times when all you have is your iPhone and potential clients want to see how images straight away.

Unfortunately it looks like we're going to be stuck with the 16:9 ratio and will just have to live with it if we want the new iPhone. I'm still going to upgrade to it as my iPhone 4 plan is about to end but admittedly it's not the best for us photographers.

Also, to the person who says 35mm is not the digital standard, it is. Full frame camera (1DX, 5D3, etc) all use 36x24mm sensors which was adapted by the 35mm film dimensions. Yes we can crop to whatever dimensions we want but most of the top photographers shoot with full frame 35mm cameras.

 

[killerrobot]

Also, to the person who says 35mm is not the digital standard, it is. Full frame camera (1DX, 5D3, etc) all use 36x24mm sensors which was adapted by the 35mm film dimensions. Yes we can crop to whatever dimensions we want but most of the top photographers shoot with full frame 35mm cameras.

Surely you mean adapted from. Right? 35mm is film. Full frame sensors are different sizes. Claiming that all professional photographers maintain a 3:2 dimension is bogus, period. Claiming that digital media and products being influenced by video should instead stick with a FF aspect ratio is naive.

 

[jeblis]

Since the pp1 is the same, it will be no worse that the current iphone.

 

[sulpfiction]

Yes, that's the problem. The 4" screen is just taller. The size of the photo will be just as big as the iPhone4.

But u say the iPhone 4 has worked beautifully for you. So the absolute worse case scenario is that you'll be showing the exact same photos, at the exact same ratio. Nothing will change.

 

[Reddmanz]

Even if photos on the next iPhone do end up with 178px of space either side, if your photos are good enough then that shouldn't make any difference to the client?

 

[canesalato]

Nay. You're missing my point. If you have a black iPhone, you have black plastic bars. I'm talking about the plastic around the screen. With a nice black reproduction on the LCD, the little bit of extra black will go nearly unnoticed.

This is your answer!
The first consideration is that you should probably get a black iPhone.
The second consideration is that IF the new iPhone has great black levels (i would say Oled-like) the black bars would probably go un-noticed, since they will blend perfectly with the black plastic frame (which, by the way, is going to be thinner). So in the end we should be happy, because black bars are going to be about the same but we'll probably gain a 3:2 camera on the iPhone, same as on our dslr

 

[Sital]

Here's a thought, OP....

If you're so concerned about the new iPhone, don't get it! Just keep using the one you got.

And btw, OpenDNS considers your website porn. 'Nuf said.

 

[oneMadRssn]

Why not crop your photos to fit the 16:9 iphone5 screen perfectly?

You could make several portfolios, each optimized for the device they are being shown on. A portfolio optimized for the ipad should certainly be different than a portfolio optimized for the iphone.

It seems pretty logical to me. After all, a portfolio tailored and optimized for whatever device it is being shown on would surely look beter than a one-size fits all.

I doubt your potential customers would care or even notice that they are looking at 16:9 photos rather than 3:4 photo; and those that do notice it or ask about you can explain that those photos have been optimized for the iphone screen.

 

[mcman77]

I am a Professional Photographer. I show my work on my iPhone 4S and iPad 3 all the time and I rely on it to impress my customers.

I am not a photographer but find your posts very enlightening. I am with you on this, the fact that apple use to cater for designers, developers, media producers etc. but have dropped those loyal customers for the masses.

What will you do now if the current iphone is as rumored?

I also find the fact that every tom, dick and harry are trying to advice you without any knowledge very funny. You're handling it pretty well tbh.

 

[Reddmanz]

I also find the fact that every tom, dick and harry are trying to advice you without any knowledge very funny. You're handling it pretty well tbh.

Well he did put it on a public forum, and not a specialised Photography one at that.

At the end of the day this whole thread is pointless as none of us know what the next iPhone screen will actually be for sure.....