iPhone 5c Broadens Apple's Customer Base, but Android Continues to Lead in Smartphones

[Hyper-X]

I am not narrow minded because I choose one platform over the other and stick to that and have stated it's personal choice what a person uses, and I don't judge that I just don't like others who force opinions on others or go out of their way to prove a point no-one gives a toss about.

And please stop with the analogies please, I mean bloody big islands and small islands government etc. Apple is not perfect no doubt I know they are restrictive some people don't care so much some do, I'm saying just go and use your analogies on Google forums, I am sure you are free to do what you want with them right jeez...cos they don't govern in any way do they "Freedom of speech or choice as long as you say or do what we want".

You obviously missed the part where I specified that the narrow minded folks are those who feel that they must hate another platform just because they own or like another. My analogy supports your position, different strokes for different folks.

...there's always going to be the binary type of folks that seems to think it has to be one or the other. They own an iOS device so they must hate on android, but unfortunately there's always going to be those small minded ones.

My analogy indicates that some people are fine in their environments so again you didn't mention anything I already posted, take heed at the last 3 words...

... it's your choice.

 

[WilliamBateman]

I had to set up an android tablet for a friend yesterday; and the experience was awful! The GUI is laggy, animations are years behind iOS, crap ware is across the entire device, impossible to even just set up an email (on iOS you enter username & password, android you enter username, password, domain, security type, email type, IP, port, and it still doesn't work). The only reason more people buy these is because they just see the price tag and thinks it is somehow as good as the more expensive iPhones. It could also be up to biased sellers, I know someone that went to buy an iPad for FaceTime, and the seller said that this android device had that but it is better.

God; just because sellers buy ****y devices, doesn't mean you have to mis sell them to others!!! The must think it is like the Ring; and they have to make someone watch the tap!!!

BS. An Android device works the same way. Put in your Google/Gmail user and pass and everything sets up for you. Playstore even starts downloading your apps. You have no clue what you are doing. Stick to iDevices

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

BS. An Android device works the same way. Put in your Google/Gmail user and pass and everything sets up for you. Playstore even starts downloading your apps. You have no clue what you are doing. Stick to iDevices

I went to the EMAIL app. There was a login; I entered the credentials, then it asks for the security type, IP, server, Port... I think it must have been the custom ROM used by that Tablet. It also had a lot of crapware. No apps started downloading too. I set this up after my friend played with it though; so it was not an initial setup.

William; this was my only experience with an Android tablet, so remember that I was only taking a dig at that; the experience. I never meant the the OS was bad; just cheap Android tablets are not worth the money unless you want an expensive Frisbee. So don't go treating me as an idiot (which I'm guessing is your view on all iOS users), as all your doing is trying to make yourself know more that the person that was actually their (or coming across that way). I'm sure a lot of people have met others like this and the only come across as one thing... so yeah.

 

[Hyper-X]

Yup, some android devices do come with a custom ROM from the carrier/manufacturer and it can complicate matters, but this isn't IMHO the fault of Google/Android than it is the carrier/manufacturer of the device. I know for my old Tmobile HTC G2, it came with a custom version of Froyo (2.2) that was nothing but headaches.

 

[kdarling]

I went to the EMAIL app. There was a login; I entered the credentials, then it asks for the security type, IP, server, Port... I think it must have been the custom ROM used by that Tablet.

Sounds like that person had already skipped past the easy setup on first power up, that most devices have, which simply asks for an account.

After that, the next choice to do a setup should be Settings.

In even the cheapest Android tablets I've bought as toys, the Settings app included an Accounts & Sync section, where you could just enter your username and password for popular emails. Easy peasy.

As for slowness, sure, if it's a really cheap tablet, that's probably going to happen. It's like buying a Yugo and complaining that it's not fast or smooth. You don't buy a Yugo expecting those things; you buy it because it's cheap

 

[tmoerel]

They are not the mainstream outside of the US.

Not true again. In Switzerland 90% of all phones are subsidised. As soon as your contract is up they start emailing you the offers!

 

[kdarling]

Not true again. In Switzerland 90% of all phones are subsidised. As soon as your contract is up they start emailing you the offers!

Which is why iOS has a 62% market share in Switzerland.

As tongxinshe pointed out, there's a correlation between subsidies and iPhone market share.



The larger and more available the subsidy, the higher the adoption of iPhones.

This is why it's a bit odd when people say "Android does best in countries that cannot afford an iPhone."

It isn't people spending a lot of money upfront who are buying the majority of iPhones. It's people who are paying $200 or less... even nothing.. upfront.

That's why analysts are worried about Apple if subsidies disappear.

 

[pdqgp]

That's why analysts are worried about Apple if subsidies disappear.

I worry about me if the subsidies go away. Personally I wouldn't want to spend full price on any of my phones. Would likely have a big impact on upgrades sales.

I see AT&T going the route of allowing customers to pay extra for upgrades much sooner by paying more per month. However I looked at such a plan and didn't see the cost/benefit. I would much rather pay less and keep my phone two to three years.

 

[lobeyonekenobi]

You obviously missed the part where I specified that the narrow minded folks are those who feel that they must hate another platform just because they own or like another. My analogy supports your position, different strokes for different folks.



My analogy indicates that some people are fine in their environments so again you didn't mention anything I already posted, take heed at the last 3 words...

Sorry my mistake, accept my apology should have read it properly

 

[tongxinshe]

Not true again. In Switzerland 90% of all phones are subsidised. As soon as your contract is up they start emailing you the offers!

Yes, maybe there are several other small markets outside of US are also mostly subsidized, but none of them are main stream (of a size big enough).

 

[moderately]

I'm having a brain malfunction on this. I'm following your example. As more smart phones are sold, there are less dumb phones being sold. Smart phone share increases, dumb phone share decreases. Let's say someday 100% of phones sold are smart phones. Android continues to increase it's market share, Apple's share decreases. How does Apple's percent of total phones increase?

This has nothing to do with Apple or Android, it's math. And for some reason it's not sinking in.

Well I lost this thread and only now found it again.

I was addressing the situation in the present, trying to answer the question how could apple increase their share of the phone market while losing share in the smart phone market. You are looking to the future when there are only smart phones. If all phones are smart phones then losing market share in one is the same as losing it in the other. Apple could still sell more phones year over year if there are more phones being bought even while losing market share.

When everybody has a smart phone switchers are going to be the key to market share. If iPhone is the brand to aspire to then Apple can do quite well. People will start with the cheaper alternatives and move up if they don't become invested in the ecosystem. So far, android users don't seem to invest in the same way as iOS users.

 

[jdawgnoonan]

I have long left the iPhone for android and will never go back. I own several macs at home but I am very tired of the closed in nature of IOS products. My Note II is better than the iPhone is pretty much every way. I have 64gb storage, complete file access, googlemaps, customization, changeable battery, the build quality is great (sure it is not aluminum, but I have dropped it several times and no cracked screen, I see so many cracked iPhones it is ridiculous.

I love the large screen and the true multitasking. I have converted several of my friends to android and it is almost like there eyes were opened. I still love my iPad, but only because it is jailbroken. You can't even upload a file natively other than photos to your email or on a website on an IOS device!!

Once I find an android tablet that has a complete smooth UI and the build quality of the iPad I am leaving it behind. If only apple would design a tablet that is suited more for the power user that includes a stylus, but I guess they don't want to stick to steve's vision. Too bad.

I sit here with my brand new MBP Retina and sitting directly next to it are my iPad Mini Retina and my Nexus 5. I agree. I like Apple, I love my Mac, but iOS needs more than the new look. Sure it is a reliable phone OS, but it is no more reliable than current Android and it certainly is crippled.

 

[thelookingglass]

I sit here with my brand new MBP Retina and sitting directly next to it are my iPad Mini Retina and my Nexus 5. I agree. I like Apple, I love my Mac, but iOS needs more than the new look. Sure it is a reliable phone OS, but it is no more reliable than current Android and it certainly is crippled.

Well thankfully we have choices. I for one love how I can answer iMessages on my Mac, iphone or ipad. I love how someone can FaceTime me and I can pickup on any of the devices. Or how all my contacts, bookmarks and certain docs are synced between the three.

 

[SpyderBite]

iPhone 5c Broadens Apple's Customer Base, but Android Continues to Lead in Sm...

Well thankfully we have choices. I for one love how I can answer iMessages on my Mac, iphone or ipad. I love how someone can FaceTime me and I can pickup on any of the devices. Or how all my contacts, bookmarks and certain docs are synced between the three.

You can do the same thing on Android OS. You just have to spend a lot of time setting up the services on the Google website. Whereas iCloud is pretty seamless even for the less savvy users.

 

[thelookingglass]

You can do the same thing on Android OS. You just have to spend a lot of time setting up the services on the Google website. Whereas iCloud is pretty seamless even for the less savvy users.

No, I can't answer my iMessages on an Android. Or answer a FaceTime call. Or edit docs in Pages and Numbers.

 

[bozzykid]

I worry about me if the subsidies go away. Personally I wouldn't want to spend full price on any of my phones. Would likely have a big impact on upgrades sales.

That is where people get confused. Doing away with subsidies doesn't mean you pay full price up front. T-Mobile does not subsidize phones anymore and you pay the same or cheaper than any of the other 3 carriers up front. It just means without subsidies, paying off your phone and your plan are separated. That way if your phone is paid for, you pay less per month than you do currently.

 

[mrmwilson]

$550, $650, $750 price points can't compete with a $200 Android with an SD card slot.

A $15k Toyota Corolla can't compete with a $60k Mercedes Benz either. $200 Android phones are complete junk.

 

[Oletros]

A $15k Toyota Corolla can't compete with a $60k Mercedes Benz either. $200 Android phones are complete junk.

Motorola Moto G complete junk?

 

[mrmwilson]

Motorola Moto G complete junk?

Absolutely.

 

[Oletros]

Absolutely.

Ahh, if I had knew that you were just joking i wouldn't answer you

 

[nia820]

Screw android and ios, I'm going back to using Symbian.

 

[Max(IT)]

You can do the same thing on Android OS. You just have to spend a lot of time setting up the services on the Google website. Whereas iCloud is pretty seamless even for the less savvy users.

No you can't.
Can't use iMessage or FaceTime on any Android device, and I don't trust Google to give them access to my personal data, while I trust Apple (and I trust Microsoft much more than Google).

 

[MacNut]

No you can't.
Can't use iMessage or FaceTime on any Android device, and I don't trust Google to give them access to my personal data, while I trust Apple (and I trust Microsoft much more than Google).

That is nieve, considering the NSA has all of it.

Plus how many people Facetime in general, and iMessage is basically texting.

 

[Max(IT)]

That is nieve, considering the NSA has all of it.

Plus how many people Facetime in general, and iMessage is basically texting.

NSA is a government agency, I don't care about them ....
Google is a commercial enterprise ....

FaceTime ? The people I do care has FaceTime, that's enough for me.
iMessage is basically texting ? Compare it to hangout and smile ....

Btw the NSA was complaining about how difficult to access iMessage data is, and I'm very happy about that.

 

[MacNut]

NSA is a government agency, I don't care about them ....
Google is a commercial enterprise ....

FaceTime ? The people I do care has FaceTime, that's enough for me. alternative iMessage is basically texting ? Compare it to hangout and smile ....

Btw the NSA was complaining about how difficult to access iMessage data is, and I'm very happy about that.

You should care about the NSA as they are the ones that have your data. I would trust Google far more than I would the NSA. If Google is a commercial enterprise what does that make Apple? Are they just a non profit? Just because you like the Apple walled garden doesn't mean everyone else does, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean that Android ins't a good alternative.