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"PROJECTED", but they already have so many fake iphones, why would they pay more price and get a "cheap" iphone.
 
Sure. Here you go:

http://www.zdnet.com/samsungs-galaxy-mega-phablet-will-it-fly-in-the-u-s-7000019566/

Enjoy that. I hear you can buy an optional push cart to haul it around.

I remember when people wanted smaller phones, because the phones back then were so huge and heavy and wouldn't fit in pockets. Every time I see somebody with one of those monster samsung phones, I think of this:

Dynatac-phone.jpg


Why anyone would want Apple to follow suit and reverse the smaller-is-better trend for mobile communications is beyond me.
 
but I can envision a scenario where same occurs in Brazil, India, Rusia and even Mexico. But the price tag ($400-500) seems a little disturbing for me. And surely in some situations this cant pass as "low cost"....:(


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Hey, BMW still makes a $30,000 car, even though their good ones are as high as $140,000. People still buy them like crazy, because they get to say they have a BMW. Is that going to appeal to the $14,000 Toyota buyer? Of course not, but maybe somebody will buy it over a $30,000 Ford, or even a $28,000 Ford. And if they like their $30,000 BMW, and get a big job promotion someday and can afford a higher-end model every few years, they'll be a BMW customer for life.

Apple wants to grow their marketshare, because that helps the ecosystem, and creates halo effects with App-downloads, music-downloads, and Mac or iPad purchases. Apple doesn't need to go for the rock-bottom price tag, nor do they want to. People buying the cheapest phone possible are probably not going to download any paid apps, or buy hundreds of dollars of music and video from the iTMS. They're definitely not going to buy an iMac.

But there is a middle-range market with a lot of potential buyers, who want something pretty good, and can't afford the very best. They'll still buy apps, they might buy an iPad mini once they get used to iOS, and they might buy a low-end iMac too. That's the market Apple wants to target. The 5C will also be great for kids on family plans, getting them hooked on iOS and Apple early, so they'll be customers for life. Remember how Apple has very high customer retention numbers? It's all about the user experience and ecosystem. If Apple can get people in at a lower price point, maintaining that good user experience and getting them hooked on the ecosystem, then maybe in a few years those 5C customers will be able to afford a higher-end iPhone, and they won't think twice about buying one.
 
Ya know, stuff like this really bothers me. A cheap plastic iPhone does not represent Apples Culture/DNA. Apple is a premium brand! If Steve was alive, he would never allow a cheaper plastic iPhone with the sole purpose of gaining market share. I feel that Tim Cook and his executives are losing sight of what's truly important. Not only that, I feel that they are losing sight of Steve's remarkable vision for Apple.

poppycock. 1) apple made a plastic iphone, two iterations in fact. 2) apple knows china is a poor emerging market that must be captured. why leave money on the table just because some dude wants to believe his phone is better than plastic? 3) jobs has discussed the mistake of '80s-and-'90s apple going for margin when it should have gone for marketshare. 4) jobs is dead and you have no idea what he would have done because youve never been in the same room with the man.

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apple discriminates people with big hands ? yes they do because the iPhone 5 is just perfect for an average chinese guy-girl or my 12 year old son but not for me.

how odd, i have large hands and have zero problems using my iphones. i wonder why?
 
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Accept the fact. Apple is not an elite product anymore and many other vendors are putting out mobile phones with MORE CHOICE in screen sizes, colors and features.

1) im not sure what choices has to do with being "elite", but... 2) more choices in no way implies better. apple's design is centered around better, not choices.

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Yes, this year, was a bad year so far after SJ passed

since jobs died apple has reaped massive profits -- the lion's share in both mobile and PC market segments. how exactly was that a "bad year"?

a minority of ultra techno-elite fanboys or bloggers whining about the lack of flying cheeseburgers coming out of their screens has nothing to do with the real world.

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If Apple didn't pursue market share, their products would become of less and less quality in the long run.

and yet, the mac line is considered the highest-quality PCs in the business, and have the highest consumer satisfaction ratings, all despite low market share. same with BMW, etc.. sorry but that argument doesnt hold water.

quality is quality.

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We see your point, but the most recent of these photographs is 15 years old. Maybe a few things have changed since then.

iphones have already been made of plastic, not 15 years old.
 
Here we go again :rolleyes::rolleyes:. A $30,000 purchase is NOT comparable to a measly $850 iphone.

Not close at all. ANYONE and I mean anyone (even if they work minimum wage) can save up for an iphone. Lots of migrant workers in China (hint hint).

They want to show off that they can "afford" to buy in the apple brand. Having a cheap ass plastic ugly looking iphone is not going to appeal to them.

They will spring for the 5 or the 5s.

Show me the stats that people buy the "30,000" BMW like crazy.

Much more impressed by a nice Audi then BMW. BMW is probably the most wannabe $40,000 millionaire car brand. That and Lexus.


Hey, BMW still makes a $30,000 car, even though their good ones are as high as $140,000. People still buy them like crazy, because they get to say they have a BMW. Is that going to appeal to the $14,000 Toyota buyer? Of course not, but maybe somebody will buy it over a $30,000 Ford, or even a $28,000 Ford. And if they like their $30,000 BMW, and get a big job promotion someday and can afford a higher-end model every few years, they'll be a BMW customer for life.

Apple wants to grow their marketshare, because that helps the ecosystem, and creates halo effects with App-downloads, music-downloads, and Mac or iPad purchases. Apple doesn't need to go for the rock-bottom price tag, nor do they want to. People buying the cheapest phone possible are probably not going to download any paid apps, or buy hundreds of dollars of music and video from the iTMS. They're definitely not going to buy an iMac.

But there is a middle-range market with a lot of potential buyers, who want something pretty good, and can't afford the very best. They'll still buy apps, they might buy an iPad mini once they get used to iOS, and they might buy a low-end iMac too. That's the market Apple wants to target. The 5C will also be great for kids on family plans, getting them hooked on iOS and Apple early, so they'll be customers for life. Remember how Apple has very high customer retention numbers? It's all about the user experience and ecosystem. If Apple can get people in at a lower price point, maintaining that good user experience and getting them hooked on the ecosystem, then maybe in a few years those 5C customers will be able to afford a higher-end iPhone, and they won't think twice about buying one.
 
Here we go again :rolleyes::rolleyes:. A $30,000 purchase is NOT comparable to a measly $850 iphone.

Not close at all. ANYONE and I mean anyone (even if they work minimum wage) can save up for an iphone. Lots of migrant workers in China (hint hint).

They want to show off that they can "afford" to buy in the apple brand. Having a cheap ass plastic ugly looking iphone is not going to appeal to them.

They will spring for the 5 or the 5s.

Show me the stats that people buy the "30,000" BMW like crazy.

Much more impressed by a nice Audi then BMW. BMW is probably the most wannabe $40,000 millionaire car brand. That and Lexus.

Audi makes a $30,000 car too. If it makes you feel better, replace all BMW references with Audi. But, for the record, BMW 3 Series is their best-selling car by far, and it can be bought for about $30,000.

Apple isn't going to use cheap plastic, and they're not going to be ugly. This is still Apple we're talking about here. The specs will be reduced, and the choice of colors will appeal to kids and the fashion-conscious. It'll be all the brand benefits of owning an Apple device, which is what people want and why they'll buy it.
 
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1) im not sure what choices has to do with being "elite", but... 2) more choices in no way implies better. apple's design is centered around better, not choices.

Choice has nothing to do with being elite. The iPhone is not an elite product. You don't pick up elite products at Walmart.

2. more choices in no way implies better. apple's design is centered around better, not choices

Have you ever considered that if Apple gave consumers more "choice" of screen sizes, colors, features, etc that would appeal to more people?

Think Different... Choice is a good thing. So is competition.

You have to ask yourself. Does the iPhone 5C "deserve to exist"?

Written in California by a Californian that was born in Seattle.
 
Ya know, stuff like this really bothers me. A cheap plastic iPhone does not represent Apples Culture/DNA. Apple is a premium brand! If Steve was alive, he would never allow a cheaper plastic iPhone with the sole purpose of gaining market share. I feel that Tim Cook and his executives are losing sight of what's truly important. Not only that, I feel that they are losing sight of Steve's remarkable vision for Apple.

Lower priced phone does not (and in this case, definitely will not) mean low-end phone.

Apple is seizing a fantastic opportunity to increase market penetration --with it's incumbent iOS ecosystem penetration-- without sacrificing quality.

Inexpensive iPhone sells well in price sensitive markets. Genius!

Well maybe not inexpensive, but less expensive.

I'm not a troll. I've been using apple products for 12 years. I love apple and every product it's made. All I'm saying is that when Apple makes a product, it's made because it's meant to be a great quality/premium product for the consumer. Its made with unique great quality design, engineering and precision. It's made to enrich peoples loves. This iPhone 5C seems that it's just being made for the sole purpose of increasing market share for Apple. Last time I checked, Apple doesn't care about things like market share, they care about making world class products.

Not to worry. It will still be a quality product, with most of the flagship's functionality, but made with slightly less expensive components, and of course no 'expensive' CNC'd shell.

yet, another news dedicated to China….news about the new iphone, fine news about the new iphone for China, i don't care :rolleyes:

Apple is a global company…..what they do in other countries, affects Apple here too.
 
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Why can't these analysts wait to learn the actual price, specs, etc. before coming out with these projections? Of course they'd be complete BS anyway, but this really drives it home just how much BS is involved.

Because it's their job to make speculations. A good analyst (who has good contacts) creates a good track record and many investors listen to them. Investors want to invest before the market changes.

Btw, these types of surveys are exactly the same type Apple uses to aid them with decisions. Do you really think Apple (or any successful company) enters into a market with no knowledge of what may or may not sell? Do you really think they didn't do surveys that include what price range would sell the best? I get surveyed all the time. There are companies out there who specialize in surveys and a successful company hires them before making a big move (i.e., creating and manufacturing a new product, especially in the volumes Apple needs).

If you were an investor you would know that many analysts are pretty much on target. The key is to pick who you listen to carefully.
 
I'm not a troll. I've been using apple products for 12 years. I love apple and every product it's made. All I'm saying is that when Apple makes a product, it's made because it's meant to be a great quality/premium product for the consumer. Its made with unique great quality design, engineering and precision. It's made to enrich peoples loves. This iPhone 5C seems that it's just being made for the sole purpose of increasing market share for Apple. Last time I checked, Apple doesn't care about things like market share, they care about making world class products.

Really? Using a company's product for 12 years gives you the insight into how the company should be run? Perhaps you should contact Apple's board and tell them to fire everyone else because you know better.

Apple makes products for one reason - to make money - period. If they think just making only expensive products that make people feel 'elitist' will make money, they will make it. But in emerging markets the entry level may be different. I dont know where you checked but Apple most certainly about market share. ever watch a keynote where they proudly post their market share? And yes, the sole purpose of the 5c is to increase market share, which is the goal for any company.

Apple is not in business to make people happy. Apple is in the business to make money. Keeping their customers happy is only part of that. If all they wanted was to make your life easy and make you happy they would sell their products at a loss.
 
Here we go again :rolleyes::rolleyes:. A $30,000 purchase is NOT comparable to a measly $850 iphone.

Not close at all. ANYONE and I mean anyone (even if they work minimum wage) can save up for an iphone. Lots of migrant workers in China (hint hint).

Much more impressed by a nice Audi then BMW. BMW is probably the most wannabe $40,000 millionaire car brand. That and Lexus.


Hate to break it to you buy anyone can get a low interest car loan or lease as long as they have decent credit. The comparison of an entry BMW to an entry iPhone in concept is similar. Yes, $800 is less than $35K but that isn't the comparison. An $800 phone in 2013 is expensive regardless of income or net worth. But I doubt a significant number of low income individuals toil to save $800 -- a months rent! to blow on a phone. I wouldn't even do that & I'm not low income or vicinity.

As for China, in the poorer areas the iPhone 5 isn't a big seller compared to less expensive Androids which is why the iPhone 5C is being pushed out. China is the final frontier for Apple & iPhone growth.

Finally, no one cares whether you prefer Audi to BMW or any other car & it's entirely off point.
 
How much money would Apple really save by not including 4G?

I doubt the difference in price between the chips is that much.

Update:

Maybe it is a big difference, the iPhone 5 chip cost $11 more than the 4S chip:

Plus up to a 15% royalty for LTE, partially capped at $10 from a major patent holder group, plus another 3.25% for Qualcomm, plus a smidgeon for other non-group holdouts.

So if Apple buys the 5C from their manufacturer (Foxconn or Pegatron) for say, $200, the royalty could be another $17-$25.
 
Not actually a brilliant analysis....we've already seen TC in China talking telecom deals, we know China's population is 1.4 billion and Apple is bringing out a cheaper iphone. Doesn't take a genius to work out their revenue will increase.
 
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