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Oh please....

Give me a SINGLE example of somebody that "must" buy a phone from Apple.

No? Then kindly ****.

My employer now only support Apple devices for e-mail access. They use special one-off encryption and developing it for Android and iOS became too expensive. I know of other employers that are the same.
 
Yes, apparently store exit polls are indicating that the lines are mostly for buying the top-of-the-line iPhone 5S, not the 5C.


You bring up an interesting comparison, which is confused this year by hiding the old model in a new plastic case, and by the lack of presales for the 5S.

For example, last year, the iPhone 5 got two million presales in a day. Those presales were NOT counted in the first weekend sales figures, because they haven't been delivered yet.

Apple is smart. By not having a presale this year, they got people to line up and buy from the stores, which means more sales that can be announced right away, instead of being a not-delivered-yet count purgatory.


I thought phones were counted as a sale when shipped? Is this not correct? So depending on when phones ship from the orders placed on friday the number could be much higher than the $9M. So even when you add in presales from the 5 this release would still have much higher numbers.
 
In all fairness, they aren't shipping all 9 million in 3 days.


Of course not. But once the order is placed and the unit is "in flight" it’s a sale.

9 million is still 9 million orders with credit card payment “holds “and or clearances made.

I don’t think it’s possible to downplay the significant of the 9 million orders.

It’s not fictitious. People had to either go into a store or place an order online with a credit card. It’s actually not an easy thing to do. Lining up or actually going onto the website which at times was super slow to place an order.

If someone is willing to live through that process they want the phone and they want it as fast as they can.
 
Hehe. Once again, the naysayers and haters have mud on their face. Tim Cook must be enjoying the irony.

Tim Cook earlier today
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I thought phones were counted as a sale when shipped? Is this not correct? So depending on when phones ship from the orders placed on friday the number could be much higher than the $9M. So even when you add in presales from the 5 this release would still have much higher numbers.

For the iPhone 5, they sold 5.1 million in the first TWO MONTHS, including pre-orders. http://www.statisticbrain.com/iphone-5-sales-statistics/. There were 2 million pre-orders.
 
That's a rather mind bogglingly large number. Love Apple or hate Apple - you gotta respect them when you think about the raw logistics behind this.
 
What kind of sense does that make? How could something be constrained by demand without supply? You're not making sense.

what he means is the reason the sales numbers are not higher is because there were no more phones to sell. The alternate reason would be that there are not enough people to buy the phones that are available (which is not the case with the 5S). Hence the constraint is from a lack of supply, not a lack of demand.
 
Of course not. But once the order is placed and the unit is "in flight" it’s a sale.

9 million is still 9 million orders with credit card payment “holds “and or clearances made.

I don’t think it’s possible to downplay the significant of the 9 million orders.

It’s not fictitious. People had to either go into a store or place an order online with a credit card. It’s actually not an easy thing to do. Lining up or actually going onto the website which at times was super slow to place an order.

If someone is willing to live through that process they want the phone and they want it as fast as they can.

Oh, no I agree. Just saying their logistics didn't have to actually SHIP 9 million in 3 days.
 
The smartphone market has grown about 45-50% in the past year.

If the iPhone 5 sold 5 million in its launch weekend, that would mean needing to sell about 7.5 million just to hold market share.

Still, a good result for Apple.
 
I thought phones were counted as a sale when shipped? Is this not correct?

I've always heard that Apple counts sales strictly as phones that have actually landed in the hands of the consumer or been charged to the consumer's credit card in the case of an online order. My understanding is that Android handset makers such as Samsung and HTC count sales as devices shipped to carriers that may or may not have been purchased by a consumer yet.
 
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:D Sooo... How does that change how many shipped opening weekend last year? :rolleyes:

Opening weekend sales have been constrained by supply, not demand.
Bingo.

no, 2 iPhones sell at least 7 million, 2 iPhones sell 9 million.

China launched separately @ 2 million last year
So? My point was that regardless of the specific numbers, the iPhone 5C will sell more units as a "new" phone than an iPhone 5 as an "old" phone would. People who might by a $100 new, on-contract smartphone now have a choice between a new Android and a new iPhone. And that's smart from Apple's perspective.
 
For starters, that 5 million figure last year was for ONE new phone. This years figure is for TWO new phones. Although, there probably is a slight bit of cannibalization from the 5C, I would expect a better comparison would be 5S sales vs. 5 sales on opening weekend. Another thing to point out: China's opening weekend is factored into these numbers for 5S and 5C, while they were not part of the 5's opening weekend. Wasnt there like 2 million iPhone 5's sold opening weekend in China?
 
Bingo.


So? My point was that regardless of the specific numbers, the iPhone 5C will sell more units as a "new" phone than an iPhone 5 as an "old" phone would. People who might by a $100 new, on-contract smartphone now have a choice between a new Android and a new iPhone. And that's smart from Apple's perspective.

No, an "old" 5 would sell more than a "new" 5C at the same price because it is still premium.
 
Many people HAVE to buy an iPhone because they are fanboys or because of some app.

This is the problem people have with HAVE and WANT. These words are not interchangeable, they have different meanings. No one HAS to buy the iPhone. They may REALLY WANT to but that is not HAVE to. Food, and Shelter are haves... a piece of electronics is a want.
 
For starters, that 5 million figure last year was for ONE new phone. This years figure is for TWO new phones. Although, there probably is a slight bit of cannibalization from the 5C, I would expect a better comparison would be 5S sales vs. 5 sales on opening weekend. Another thing to point out: China's opening weekend is factored into these numbers for 5S and 5C, while they were not part of the 5's opening weekend. Wasnt there like 2 million iPhone 5's sold opening weekend in China?

Yes, but considering most aren't going to be 5 --> 5S upgrades in China, this still looks good for market penetration purposes.
 
New record for weekend sales? I wonder if this record would hold if we were able to pre-order the 5S. Surely that would bring opening weekend numbers down, no?

No. Pre-sales count towards first weekend sales, as that's when they ship.
 
In all fairness, they aren't shipping all 9 million in 3 days.

Regardless of whether the customer has the phone now or its enroute to them right now, the phone is spoken for and sold. So whether the user has the phone last Friday or tomorrow it's kind of deminimus.

9 million phones is quite solid considering so many people were suggesting the 5c was too expensive and the 5s not innovative enough to qualify as an "s" phone. I wish Apple had broken down sales but I think it's safe to suggest based on previous years sales, at least 4 million of the 9 million were c phones.
 
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