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I'm not trying to raise a other competitor vs apple debate however the facts are that other competitors have multiple devices with varying release cycles - and a market for all of them.

If we took all of android activations/day vs all of iOS activations/day the clear winner would be android.

so if you pit every single android maker against only one apple, they'd "win"? that's what you're saying? good lord. no single company is selling as many as apple, one on one, the fair way to fight. yet, apple earns the lions share of profit from ALL those other players. so apple sells more than any other maker, and it earns more than all the other makers combined.

that's the definition of winning.
 
This is really amazing news. Strong proof that Apple really is at the top and will remain there for a long time! Best in quality, sales, customer satisfaction and care for what they do.
 
Because the 4S was still a premium product whose build might still be preferred to the 5, while the 5C is not.

I don't know anyone who preferred a thicker, heavier, smaller screened, more fragile 4S to the 5.
 
This is really amazing news. Strong proof that Apple really is at the top and will remain there for a long time! Best in quality, sales, customer satisfaction and care for what they do.

It's definitely proof that wall streets assessment of Apple as a company has no basis in reality. For a company to over and over and over again prove critics wrong and STILL be labeled as doomed really makes you think.
 
Think of it this way... Imagine how many they would have sold if it had been something a bit more. There are TONS of people like me with a 4S that just went "meh.. I'll wait". People are locked into the eco-system and even if they released the same damn phone in just a different color they would still sell millions just to meet all the contract upgrades. The people that say apple is Doomed are idiots... There are simply WAY too many people locked into iTunes and at this point they could keep selling millions of them by doing pretty much nothing to each new version. I do like the iOS7 though, made my 4S feel like a new phone!!

My point is, they could see insane numbers when they release a phone that makes people say "OMG, I have to have it!!". Not sure if they have anohter one of those phones left in them.

Are you on Macrumors and also planning on using your 4S until September 2014? Is that really your plan and actually what you expect to happen? I can understand not bothering to pre-order or wait on line. But a month from now when you can just walk into a store and get whatever you want, you aren't going to upgrade?

Don't get me wrong, the 4S is great. I think the form factor is the most attractive ever made by Apple. But a phone is used many time every day. Improving your daily (in fact it is almost an hourly) experience for just a few hundred dollars seems well worth it to me.
 
Yes, but thats just artificial growth. I think there are two different issues at play here and we are trying to argue about different ones. There is the issue of how many iPhones Apple can produce on opening weekend and how many iPhones Apple can sell. So yes, selling 9 million iPhones in one weekend is quite an accomplishment purely based on the fact that it means they had to make 9 million phones prior to launch. The number of countries does not matter a launch because they will sell every phone they make. I am sure if they made 15 million phones, they might of sold 15 million iPhones. The argument I am making is that by simply adding China, they will artificially increase the demand by a huge number. This, I believe will mean they can produce more phones for launch and still achieve the same constrained issues they experience every year. Lets face it, Apple every year has limited supply of iPhones. Why is that? because Apple wants people camping out for their new phone, they want to add as much hype as they can to the launch day. They may have only sold 5 million last year because if they ended up producing more than 5 million, they would not of had a shortage problem that has become such a huge marketing push for apple. So the number of phones Apple makes for launch is based on how many phones their suppliers can actually make AND how many phones Apple wants to make to achieve the "constrained launch day" problem. Just my two cents

You should save your two cents and wait till you have a nickel. Utter rubbish.
 
Well, just imagine if they had enough stock for those who waited in line only to be told "nope, we don't have any". 9 Million is only about 2.8% of the Entire US Subscribers. When we tack on the rest of the world of subscribers, I would hate to see what that number is. Selling 9 million phones is a lot, but not when you compare it to over 330 Million subscribers alone in the US. I wonder what the number is of people waiting to get phones there were ordered and are not shipping until October?

have a source for that 330 million subscriber number? I am suspicious since the population of every many woman and child in the US is 317m.
 
The bulk of androids sales are feature phones with horrible user experience!!!!!!

Indeed that's been shown many times. Apple simply can't match the market share of hundreds of companies combined. But the fact that they outsell and outprofit probably 90 percent of those companies combined is pretty impressive.
 
I don't know anyone who preferred a thicker, heavier, smaller screened, more fragile 4S to the 5.

Well, when the 5 came out, I thought I should get a unique 4S before it's gone.

I got one as a gift, so I didn't need to let logic prevail (I would have got an Android anyway).
 
The consensus among Wall Street analysts was 'Apple will be lucky if they can sell 6 million'. Don't suppose any of them will get sacked for being 3 million off target. :D
 
The 4S and 5 are cheaper, but the build is still premium compared to the market.

The 5C is well built, but it is not premium.

Therein lies Apple's entire reason for creating it the 5C. The 5C is not trying to be premium, it's trying to be new, to further segment its product line and attack new areas.

You can sell last year's premium phone at a discount, which can cannibalize sales of your high-end premium phone (because every two years it looks exactly the same), or you can offer an option with lower-end materials at that price point, and get customers to make a clear choice between the two, and pick up some new ones, as well.

The 5C is going to sell better than the 4S did last year.
 
This achievement says more about the years of brilliant marketing, than of the 5S & 5C models. If it has an Apple logo, otherwise smart & discerning people, simply get in line (figuratively speaking) and buy one.

riiight. nice try. but people are buying these things because they offer value. I know it pains you the realize other smart and discerning people find value in different things than you do...but that's life.
 
Under the UCC, ownership of an iPhone ordered online transfers to the purchaser upon being placed in the hands of a common carrier (UPS).

Thanks. Apple does count sales that way when shipping to retailers.

However, Apple does not count online sales to end consumers as a sale until it arrives.

“(Apple) recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable, and collection is probable. Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title and risk of loss have been transferred. For most of (Apple)’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped. For online sales to individuals, for some sales to education customers in the U.S., and for certain other sales, (Apple) defers revenue until the customer receives the product because (Apple) legally retains a portion of the risk of loss on these sales during transit.

- Apple 10-K filing

For someone saying a whole of stuff, I'm amazed (truly) that you're not backing any of that up with any type of link.

That's because it's been done so much, it's now like asking for proof that the sky is blue.

Unfortunately I'm really busy at work today, and don't have time to repeat everything.

However, let me see. Okay. Here are some of my old posts on the topic. Plenty of links included:

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16637797&weekend+sales#post16637797

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15865390/

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/15389725/

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/16306030/

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/14257290/

Please ask if you're still confused afterwards. Most of the people around here understand that Apple reports shipments to retailers as sales and can help.
 
I'm complaining because I can't get a 5s until December...like so many others. Right now only phone apple sell in MOST countries are the 4s...which is quite funny actually.. And the sales numbers would have been much higher if they would have been able to launch it worldwide.

And produce that many while keeping it a secret. What was kept a secret? I don't think there's a single thing we didn't know before release.

it was a global launch.

on apple.com they cite shipping times of October, not December.

we didn't *know* about the fingerprint sensor until the week before. WSJ didn't confirm it until days prior. a7, m7...
 
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relevance? they earn the most profit in the entire PC sector. they earn the lion's share of the profit. that's doing awesome.

And they do it without using the upgrade push. With PCs, many people upgrade because the cost to upgrade hardware is only marginally more than upgrading Windows itself.
 
Wow Apple sold 9 million iPhones ... Really who cares?
Maybe the people who bought one and are trying to justify that they made a good purchase. Also shareholders.
Is this an indication of how good the phone really is?
No, People are buying into the Apple ecosystem if you have used an iOS device in the past its a PITA to switch to android. The phones were bought on Faith in the Apple Brand. Tech reviews are always positive for new devices.
Apple Builds the best phones?
Apple puts out a an amazing final product but other Companies build the components apple just hires someone to assemble them. They design the best final product.
Apple Vs Others?
The best way to look at this is that both sides are winning because they are able to keep selling us improved devices. They are pushing each other to go past the boundaries of what a smart phone can do. Just be happy that there are people on the other side causing companies to innovate or lose customers to the competition.
 
Therein lies Apple's entire reason for creating it the 5C. The 5C is not trying to be premium, it's trying to be new, to further segment its product line and attack new areas.

You can sell last year's premium phone at a discount, which can cannibalize sales of your high-end premium phone (because every two years it looks exactly the same), or you can offer an option with lower-end materials at that price point, and get customers to make a clear choice between the two, and pick up some new ones, as well.

The 5C is going to sell better than the 4S did last year.

You're contradicting your logic. The 5C should sell worse than the 4S last year in relative terms.
 
OH and apple stock jumped $20 this morning too. whoa. Yeah this new iPhone was totally a bad direction for the company... :-/ #lesigh
 
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