iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c Sales Top Nine Million in Launch Weekend

[melendezest]

Yeah definitely, I noted the bolded "me"in your original post. I was just stating that if Apple knew that millions of their customers were screaming for a bigger screen, they WOULD change it. They would not stay in business if they didn't listen to their customers.

It's a big deal to you, but I'm sure you know you are in the minority when it comes to apple customers.

"I was just stating that if Apple knew that millions of their customers were screaming for a bigger screen, they WOULD change it." -Agreed. That is the reason for my original statement. I know Apple is making beucoup bucks selling the iPhone as-is.

"They would not stay in business if they didn't listen to their customers" Apple has never been in the business of listening to their customers. Take a look at how they handled the old & new Mac Pro as evidence. In other words, I am an Apple customer (and have been for over a decade), but they are not listening to me.

The issue I contend is, that neither of the scenarios you present would be negatively impacted if Apple introduced an additional, large-screened iPhone. After all, there are millions of large-screened Android phone customers too. Apple is missing out on those customers, and driving away the minority of it's own customers by refusing to offer an option that:

a) a competitor already produces
b) is already proven to be successful (as indicated by large screen phone sales)

I'm just hoping that Apple finally caves just as they did with the iPad: there was demand for a smaller tablet, and despite the original iPad selling like hotcakes they decided to build the iPad mini. This gave users no reason to switch.

Why give them one with the iPhone?! Instead, they give us a choice of "crippled" and colorful vs "high-powered" with a unique (albeit, KILLER) feature.

I cannot make the iPhone bigger. But I can make my old iPhone "colorful" with skins, cases, etc.

Apple is just frustrating, sometimes, is all, especially when they have the money to do this! There is just no reason to be this cautious anymore, esp. when you have over 100 billion cash in the bank!!!!

 

[Jab00]

Bankruptcy??? You must be dead... or brain dead!

Apple has more liquidity than any other company in the world.

(By the way, am I replying to a child?)

I am pretty sure he was joking... especially after reading the article I am pretty sure nobody in their right mind thinks Apple will go bankrupt in the near future

 

[BaldiMac]

I'd be interested in actual 5S versus 5C sales numbers. In my area everything sold out, and 5C came in way, WAYYYYYY higher numbers than did the 5S. We are talking anywhere from 5:1-10:1

Based on the the proportions reported here, Apple sold 7 million 5S and 2 million 5C over the weekend.

 

[Jab00]

Based on the the proportions reported here, Apple sold 7 million 5S and 2 million 5C over the weekend.

I believe that is just stats for US

 

[BaldiMac]

I believe that is just stats for US

Yep.

 

[lordofthereef]

I was under the impression for online sales Apple didn't count something as sold until the consumer's credit card was charged. Does the consumer's card get charged immediately or not until the device is preparing for shipment?

I know its not an immediate charge (mine wasn't).

Truth be told I walked into the Apple store and bought one. I didn't a see a charge (pending or otherwise) at all the day of sale... So... I can;t really say one way or the other.

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Based on the the proportions reported here, Apple sold 7 million 5S and 2 million 5C over the weekend.

I saw that. The only thing I can think is New England stores got boned. There were Apple stores here with single digits...

 

[whiteboytrash]

Based on the the proportions reported Apple sold 7 million 5S and 2 million 5C over the weekend.

I don’t think Coke minds if people buy Diet Coke rather than original. Just as long as they don’t buy Pepsi or a health drink. A sale is a sale.

 

[Solomani]

And if this is considered "record breaking sales"..... I look forward to Earth-shattering sales for the iPhone 6!

 

[Chub]

It's not really big news as really if this years cycle of iPhones didn't surpass last years that would be pretty bad considering they are selling 2 new iPhones this time around.

 

[applefan10466]

Apple has never been in the business of listening to their customers. Take a look at how they handled the old & new Mac Pro as evidence. In other words, I am an Apple customer (and have been for over a decade), but they are not listening to me.

You misunderstood what I meant. I'll reiterate again apple or any other company on earth could not stay in business if it ignores its customers. That's not to say that there are not unhappy customers. Of course there are. But the ones who want big screens are not a blip in Apple's customer base. So no, they can't please everyone but they are pleasing millions. It would be silly for them to try to cater to the want of every single customer especially when it's shown again and again that screen size simply does not stop new and existing customers from buying their products.

The issue I contend is, that neither of the scenarios you present would be negatively impacted if Apple introduced an additional, large-screened iPhone. After all, there are millions of large-screened Android phone customers too. Apple is missing out on those customers, and driving away the minority of it's own customers by refusing to offer an option that:

a) a competitor already produces
b) is already proven to be successful (as indicated by large screen phone sales)

I'm just hoping that Apple finally caves just as they did with the iPad: there was demand for a smaller tablet, and despite the original iPad selling like hotcakes they decided to build the iPad mini. This gave users no reason to switch.

Why give them one with the iPhone?! Instead, they give us a choice of "crippled" and colorful vs "high-powered" with a unique (albeit, KILLER) feature.

I cannot make the iPhone bigger. But I can make my old iPhone "colorful" with skins, cases, etc.

Apple is just frustrating, sometimes, is all, especially when they have the money to do this! There is just no reason to be this cautious anymore, esp. when you have over 100 billion cash in the bank!!!!

I understand the frustration, but I'm not apple so I don't know the reasoning behind them not releasing a bigger screen. I do know however that one reason they should rush to create bigger phones is NOT because they're losing customers. Maybe it's just not a priorty for them at this point.

One thing though, the 5c is hardly "crippled". It has some great internals unless you were referring to something else?

 

[SirHaakon]

Not surprising. And no - we won't see a breakdown anytime soon.

You should really not state opinions as facts when it's shown you have no idea what you're talking about in less than 2 hours.

 

[crackbookpro]

I am pretty sure he was joking... especially after reading the article I am pretty sure nobody in their right mind thinks Apple will go bankrupt in the near future

If he was joking... then I do not consider joking about someone's death a joke, especially one Mr. Steve Jobs.

The person in ? is probably just a troll trollin'... (<<<That's not a joke.)

 

[AidenShaw]

If any of you guys think Apple actually shipped 9 million phones (arriving at their sales number), you know little about manufacturing. The factory doesn't have the capacity to have produced 9 million since they began final production. Nor would it make sense to have that much excess capacity the rest of the year. They'd have to idle huge portions. And storing/insuring 9 million iPhones would be horrendous.

Can you imagine the cost to insure $7.2 billion in idle inventory waiting for launch? (Assuming an average of $800 per phone.) Not to mention you would need what, twenty-five 747s worth of actual idle storage space on shelves? Insane...

You can be certain that Apple does not insure their inventory. Any large corporation will be "self-insured" for everything but some unusual cases of liability. The reason is simply that it's cheaper to absorb the occasional loss than to pay premiums - since the insurance company will look at the risks and try to make a profit.

The 777 has a volume of 202 cubic metres. 25 of them would have a volume of 5050 cubic metres. If you stack them 2m high, that's 2525 square metres, or about 30,000 square feet. That's not even a very large warehouse (Apple's Maiden data center is 500,000 square feet).

 

[uknowimright]

WoW, it launched in Hong Kong, which is not mainland China so to speek. And dont know what helped but there is steel 90% of Europe and all Asia wainting for release date.

yeah, no duh
it launched in both Hong Kong and mainland China

The iPhone 5s and 5c went on sale today in U.S., Australia, Canada, China, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Japan, Puerto Rico, Singapore and the U.K. It’s the first time Apple rolled out its flagship product for sale in China on the same day as elsewhere, abandoning the usual three-month delay, as the company seeks to lure new customers in the world’s largest mobile-phone market.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...e-poised-for-record-debut-as-sales-begin.html

 

[AdeFowler]

I'm sure this include phones that have been ordered, but not shipped?

I was thinking more about those that queued but left empty-handed.

 

[therealtycho]

My point was you don't have to, but it's gonna suck if you do. Are you 12? Is it really that difficult to understand??? You really don't think people have "bought into" the eco-system? It's not a BAD thing, but it's obviously a reason some people don't switch.

Lol, you are arguing with yourself!! (and surprisingly, still "loosing")
Am I 12?? I pray that English is at least your 2nd language. You don't know how to speak. Luckily, I'm fairly good at translating rabid posts like yours.. Still, having issues understanding this one:
We are talking about whether Apple "forces" users to buy their phones. You say "you don't have to, but it's gonna suck if you do". Wtf does that mean?? I don't have to get a 5S, but it's going to suck if I do? Umm, I DID get a 5S.. I did NOT "have to"... it DIDN'T suck.
Please read before you post, for clarity & intent... Also, wipe foam from mouth.

 

[DoofenshmirtzEI]

Can you imagine what the numbers would have been had/when they do introduce a larger sized phone?

Why the hell do people think larger is better. If it gets much bigger, it won't fit in my pocket. If I want bigger, that is what a tablet is for.

 

[blhoward2]

which is not until it is shipped form my what it sounds like.

Not this again. They charge cards instantly and the merchant never does anything else to it. Charges going from pending to final has to do with the bank exchange and nothing else.

Mine is still pending, as it has been since I ordered, and my phone is currently in the air to Anchorage.

 

[tbrinkma]

I'm not trying to raise a other competitor vs apple debate however the facts are that other competitors have multiple devices with varying release cycles - and a market for all of them.

If we took all of android activations/day vs all of iOS activations/day the clear winner would be android.

I've never, regardless of the industry, understood comparisons between one company and *all of it's competitors* combined. If one company consistently outsells the rest of its industry combined, then you're looking a a likely monopoly situation. When it does that for an extended number of years, then you're likely looking at an *abusive* monopoly situation.

For example, there actually was a time when the Ford Taurus was the best selling car in America, and it actually outsold *all* of it's competitors cars (in its class) combined. But that only lasted for a few years, and it had the added qualifier of "in it's class".

So, why the persistent need to compare the iPhone, or iOS to the 'unified' group consisting of virtually *every other phone or mobile device currently made*? (Note: Blackberry, Win mobile, etc. make up such a small market segment these days that they can essentially be ignored in almost any comparison without significantly altering the resulting statistics.)

In what world does that comparison make sense, rather than breaking down the competition by *make* at the very least.

 

[samcraig]

You should really not state opinions as facts when it's shown you have no idea what you're talking about in less than 2 hours.

I think that depends on what you consider my statement to mean. The reports are from Analysts, right? My comment was (admittedly not stated clearly) that Apple isn't going to release the breakdown anytime soon.

 

[sclawis300]

Not this again. They charge cards instantly and the merchant never does anything else to it. Charges going from pending to final has to do with the bank exchange and nothing else.

Mine is still pending, as it has been since I ordered, and my phone is currently in the air to Anchorage.

so if I order right now and the "ships in" says October, they charge my card now? That is not what it sounded like from multiple other posts. But I don't know because I have never ordered when the shipping is delayed.

 

[gvsmitty19]

9 million is a ridiculously high number. Even if you factor in the 2 million added later from China last year, that is still +28.5% growth yoy when most were saying the market was tapped out.

And that's not even including China Mobile or a bigger screen model - which are both coming.

Add in the news that Blackberry is getting out of the consumer market entirely, and the iPhone has some serious growth potential ahead of it.

 

[synyster11]

Lol, you are arguing with yourself!! (and surprisingly, still "loosing")
Am I 12?? I pray that English is at least your 2nd language. You don't know how to speak. Luckily, I'm fairly good at translating rabid posts like yours.. Still, having issues understanding this one:
We are talking about whether Apple "forces" users to buy their phones. You say "you don't have to, but it's gonna suck if you do". Wtf does that mean?? I don't have to get a 5S, but it's going to suck if I do? Umm, I DID get a 5S.. I did NOT "have to"... it DIDN'T suck.
Please read before you post, for clarity & intent... Also, wipe foam from mouth.

OMFG. You still don't get it. I AM SAYING IT WILL SUCK IF I SWITCH TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PHONE. I didn't want the 5S but it will suck if I switch to the (S4 OR SOMETHING ELSE) because my home theater/vehicle integration will not work as nice. Therefore I am stuck in the apple eco-system and don't really want to mess with changing all of that.

 

[melendezest]

You misunderstood what I meant. I'll reiterate again apple or any other company on earth could not stay in business if it ignores its customers. That's not to say that there are not unhappy customers. Of course there are. But the ones who want big screens are not a blip in Apple's customer base. So no, they can't please everyone but they are pleasing millions. It would be silly for them to try to cater to the want of every single customer especially when it's shown again and again that screen size simply does not stop new and existing customers from buying their products.



I understand the frustration, but I'm not apple so I don't know the reasoning behind them not releasing a bigger screen. I do know however that one reason they should rush to create bigger phones is NOT because they're losing customers. Maybe it's just not a priorty for them at this point.

One thing though, the 5c is hardly "crippled". It has some great internals unless you were referring to something else?

By using "crippled" I was just referring to the FP sensor. It seems it was left out of the 5c as a differentiator between models. Hopefully, it'll be included on the iPad and iPad mini. The 5c is a great phone still, though.

I agree with everything you state, hence the nature of my frustration: I cannot get what I want from Apple. I don't want to leave.

However I do see this: Android is getting better by the minute. Google is constantly trying to improve their OS. I couldn't stand it initially, but my latest trip to Best Buy had me starting to ask switchers about their experiences, both good and bad. No matter how you look at it, it is a bad thing for Apple when die-hard fans (like me) are starting to see if the grass is just as green or greener on the other side of the fence. There are plenty of users here that will agree. Even my non-techie wife, who SWEARS by her iPad (I'd have to pry it from her cold, dead fingers) wants a Galaxy Note. She was IMPRESSED with it. To me that is an indicator that the average consumer is starting to see Android as a "more than good enough" OS. The Galaxy Note's size was the major differentiator when it came to my wife. The bigger screen was a BIG deal.

So does Apple need me (the minority)? No. Not yet, at least. But the average consumer is their bread and butter. If people like my wife would switch, then Apple is not really paying attention to the long game. They run the risk of pulling an "Apple vs Windows PC" situation again. They need to keep people in their ecosystem. I think they're taking an unnecessary risk by not going after "large-screen" customers; Google has an ecosystem too. If I'm going to switch, I'm switching it all. I might like what I see, and not come back...why should they take that chance?

 

[Mike MA]

So now please hurry up and let me be one of the millions purchasing a new iPad and finally also get in touch with iOS 7