Why? Seems to me much simpler: Apple makes it easy to take updates right away, and also trains people into the habit of doing so by seemingly having *something* wanting an update every day, with that red number just sitting there staring at you until you install. See update, install update, see update, instal update, see update, swear at App Store for not grouping them together, install update.The high uptake of iOS 7 to me looks more like users were really fed up with old look of iOS 6 more than anything else
Marketing will get people to try your products the first time. It won't get them to come back for more unless their experience was a good one. At this point, surely many people buy Apple products because they like the ones they already have.This achievement says more about the years of brilliant marketing, than of the 5S & 5C models. If it has an Apple logo, otherwise smart & discerning people, simply get in line (figuratively speaking) and buy one.
They never did charge me for Lion, and I have no idea why not.I think it depends... I don't know on what it depends though. The 5s I ordered was charged the second I hit submit; the 5c hasn't been charged yet... I'm hoping its free.
Most likely, but I really don't want a bigger screen. I really cross shopped a Galaxy 4S, and the thing was just too big for me to casually carry around in my pocket. I really think the 5/5S is the ideal size for me.
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I must agree the iP6 doesn't need to be much bigger than the 5/5s, maybe Apple will make the screen edge to egde so the case doesn't need to be much wider.
So, please list Munster's comments/predictions over the last few years, and how they differed from the final reality.
How about
Yeah - people were upset that Jobs' terminal illness was hidden from Apple's owners. Rightfully so.
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Analysts have to guess because Apple doesn't announce their financials with any useful precision.
If this morning Apple had said:
it wouldn't be an issue.
- we sold 1.7 million Iphone 5S in various colors
- we sold 470,000 5C in various colors
- we pumped 6.5 million into the channel, of which we won't know for while which are sitting on shelves to be returned, and which were sold by tiny Radio Shack stores in neighborhood strip malls.
The last point is especially cogent. Is there any Apple fan so blinded by loyalty to the brand that they believe that on Monday morning Apple has hard sales figures for every AT&T and Verizon and Radio Shack and Best Buy and T-Mobile and Sprint and ... store so that Apple can give a solid figure on sell-through the end-users?
I hope not -- today's figures are sell-in to the channel plus Apple's direct sales.
The fans would know that the "9 million" number is nonsense, and so would the rational ones.
Wow Apple sold 9 million iPhones ... Really who cares?
Maybe the people who bought one and are trying to justify that they made a good purchase. Also shareholders.
Is this an indication of how good the phone really is?
No, People are buying into the Apple ecosystem if you have used an iOS device in the past its a PITA to switch to android. The phones were bought on Faith in the Apple Brand. Tech reviews are always positive for new devices.
Apple Builds the best phones?
Apple puts out a an amazing final product but other Companies build the components apple just hires someone to assemble them. They design the best final product.
Apple Vs Others?
The best way to look at this is that both sides are winning because they are able to keep selling us improved devices. They are pushing each other to go past the boundaries of what a smart phone can do. Just be happy that there are people on the other side causing companies to innovate or lose customers to the competition.
Can someone please explain why people so excited over the same phone again?
The 5c is basically 5 with plastic.
And 5s is fast, and with finger print.
That's it.
Why people buy it like there is no tomorrow?
Am I missing something?
i wonder the same too.. it's the same phone.. but this time it has ios7?? but ios7 is just a reskin of ios6 with fancy animations, quick access controls... big whoop. i'm still waiting for a notification center that's actually useful and a framework that allows apps to share w/ each other....errr, kinda like android.
Or maybe Apple could improve Apple IOS so that it could handle resolution independence - so that it wouldn't matter if the screen size changed.
Apple's "x or 2x" graphics model is like something from the pre-Fortran era of mid-last century. Apple fans should at least expect Apple to support visualization problems that were solved towards the end of the twentieth century - if not technology from the first decade of the twenty-first century.
iPhone 6 -> bigger screen, edge to edge design, A8 + new graphics chip, 12MP camera, most of them all "new" design.
That would be an Earth shattering, record breaking launch![]()
Can someone please explain why people so excited over the same phone again?
The 5c is basically 5 with plastic.
And 5s is fast, and with finger print.
That's it.
Why people buy it like there is no tomorrow?
Am I missing something?
I laughed a bit. Munster is consistently wrong, along with the rest of the analysts. Not commenting on this particular situation.
Yep Munster was so far off in his prediction and rather than admitting he got it wrong he just makes up numbers that make his estimate look more accurate.
Ignoring the fact that you can't provide a source to support the 9 million number as end-user sales (or specifically, to refute the 3½ million channel sales that Apple is claiming as "incredible demand" when they're really "incredible strain on the shelves in the warehouses"), I'll simply point you at Gene Munster's (an analyst who's definitely a friend of Cupertino) opinion that Apple Actually Only Sold 5.5 Million iPhones During Opening Weekend, Says Gene Munster.
If Apple says 9 million, and Gene Munster says 5½, I'll go with Munster. Apple has been lying for decades, and nobody but the fans believe them. Munster has some skin in it - and has much to lose if he's wrong.
Take off the blinders - the unbelievably good "9 million sales" is literally unbelievable - millions of those phones are sitting on shelves because the buyers don't want them.
Apple fans have often held the belief that "Apple counts end-user sales, Samsung counts shipments to channel". The truth is that both count shipments to channel - and the channel is full of Iphone 5C boxes (although yellow seems to be rather popular, so the shelves may be straining under the weight of the other anemic colors).
I don't know how Munster still has a job. He's been wrong so many times and predicted apples doom so many times.
Funny that his word is being believed right now or taken seriously.
including china?
and two products?
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Just curious what your source is for "Apple has been lying for decades"?
Or that there's tons of unsold phones sitting on shelves in warehouses?
Why would resellers buy that many phones from Apple if they knew they wouldn't sell? It's not like they can send the phones back to Apple and get a refund.
Just curious what your source is for "Apple has been lying for decades"?
He's right in a way, but didn't explain it subtly enough.
You could say that Apple lies by omission. Apple always tells bits of truth, just not the whole truth. Nor do they correct falsely favorable conclusions. This is a result of their adopting Steve Jobs' style of speaking.
For minor example, remember Jobs' picture of other smartphones when he debuted the iPhone. He made sure that he only showed smartphone with keyboards, not the touch models. It was a lie by omission.
A bigger example was the info slides shown during the AntennaGate explanation. Each one was carefully cherry-picked to look good, even though if you actually paid attention, they were obviously leaving out some critical info needed to reach a real conclusion. Apple rehearses these things very carefully, so that each word is true, but the listener fills in the gaps with their own (often mistaken) conclusions.
There's always tons of unsold iPhones. At the last quarterly call, Apple said that there were 11 million iPhones in retailer inventory. Most people just gloss over such details.
Resellers often overbuy at first. That's what happened to Samsung with tablets that one quarter, which led to the whole idiotic "shipped vs sold" meme that plagues us to this day. Of course, they were eventually sold and quarterly sales climbed after that.
As I've pointed out many times, the same thing happens pretty often with Apple as well. Sales will be unexpectedly down a quarter, because too many were bought by retailers in the previous quarter.
For minor example, remember Jobs' picture of other smartphones when he debuted the iPhone. He made sure that he only showed smartphone with keyboards, not the touch models. It was a lie by omission.
You are defending a general theory instead of the actual statement.
The fact is that Apple is tremendously more transparent than any of their competitors when it comes to reporting unit sales and channel inventory. There is a difference between "lies" and choosing favorable comparisons.