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My hope would be that pixel binning can give them the best of both worlds. With great lighting you get a beautiful 12MP pic that you can crop the hell out of if necessary. In low light, you get a great looking 3MP pic (4 pixels combine into 1). Keep in mind 1080p is only 2MP.
 
Why do we need 12 megapixels for photos that will inevitably end up on Facebook!? I'd rather have an 8MP sensor that kicks ASS in low light or even a 5 MP sensor at a F1.8 at 5 or 8 MP than more useless megapixels.

Did you stop to think maybe there will be an improvement in pixels AND optics? Why are you so hyped up about something that isn't mutually exclusive? Or am I missing something?
 
I've played around with it. It's slightly worse than the One X in bright conditions, but is a marked improvement in dark conditions. It's definitely not perfect, but in fairness to HTC they're trying something new rather than getting caught in the old MP count - which let's face it is done.
i agree, this is deffinately a step into a right direction and when they get their camera to 8MP with this technology its going to be outstanding but currently, unfortunately, it's not.
 
Did you stop to think maybe there will be an improvement in pixels AND optics? Why are you so hyped up about something that isn't mutually exclusive? Or am I missing something?

Probably the fact that all an increase in pixel count on these size sensors just lead to an increase in noise. There's no need for them to be going to 12MP, it'd be counter productive even with other improvements.
 
Why do we need 12 megapixels for photos that will inevitably end up on Facebook!? I'd rather have an 8MP sensor that kicks ASS in low light or even a 5 MP sensor at a F1.8 at 5 or 8 MP than more useless megapixels.

Because the more pixels you capture, the more you can crop out. In other words, you get a really good digital zoom.

I shoot at 36.3 megapixels on my Nikon D800. Do I need to print something the size of my house? No, of course not. But I do appreciate getting a crystal clear photo of a portion of my photo that I later noticed would make a good shot in of itself. I use those extra pixels all the time.

That works out to a very fitting feature for an iPhone. In a rush, pull out the phone, slide to camera, shoot without composing, then zoom in after the fact and compose the object you really wanted into a close crop.

A 12MP iPhone is going to be awesome, specially with a wider aperture. More pixels produce better low light photos.
 
Why do we need 12 megapixels for photos that will inevitably end up on Facebook!? I'd rather have an 8MP sensor that kicks ASS in low light or even a 5 MP sensor at a F1.8 at 5 or 8 MP than more useless megapixels.

Try magnifying on a piece of a photo you want to crop out of a larger 8MP photo, and suddenly 8MP is way too little. Anyone who does any minor photo editing has probably encountered this. Often the extra pixels aren't really needed, but to say that they're useless is ridiculous.
 
Why are people complaining that they're increasing the megapixels without improving the low light shot quality when the title says they're doing both. Personally, if both of these go through, I'd be excited.
 
...and 4k video recording!
Oh wouldn't that be a luxury. For now it just needs better low light performance and smoother focus, then it'll be near perfect for videography.
 
I am not going to lie, it seems apple is falling behind, and is pushing more lackluster features and innovations. Now, that being said.. these reports are rumors, that's it.

I am up for an upgrade here this summer, and have been planning on getting an iPhone 5s... but... looking at the HTC one and the Samsung SG4 are offering.. makes me rethink my purchase.


Let's see what you got Apple.
 
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Makes me more excited for iOS 7, because the hardware on the 5S is looking like it's going to be boring/no surprises, just faster.
 
HTC one's camera isnt THAT good... its a great idea but 4mp is just not enough. Look at the photo comparisons from different tests
I'm not implying they should use the same sensor that the One has... I'm implying that they need to entertain the philosophy of mobile sensors that HTC has with the One. That philosophy is simple, bigger sensors, less megapixels, which translates to higher quality photographs in different lighting conditions at the cost of photograph resolution (size).

And lets face it, the majority of people aren't using their smartphones as DSLR's, they just want good looking photographs and the majority are just uploading them to Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram anyway (hell, I do that and I actually enjoy taking photographs in my spare time) which already is going to destroy the visual clarity in a 8 or 12 megapixel photo to the point where it doesn't matter how large the photograph was in the first place.

If you ask me, bigger sensor/smaller sized photos is a much better option on a smartphone than smaller sensor and higher megapixels/huge photos, especially when those huge photos are uploaded to a social media site 75% of the time and the rest of them barely make it off most people's phones.
 
Great...Now I can print billboard sized photos. Just what I need.

Actually, improving the sensor is way more important.

Uhh, good thing the rumor is they are doing both?

I for one welcome an improvement in both areas. I think people need to remember that Apple has been on the leading edge, the BEST, of mainstream* phone cameras. It's everyone else who is just now catching up.



*Yes I know there are one or two phones with better cameras, but they were designed around the camera and have a giant bump etc., the iPhone is a mainstream phone that happens to have the best camera!
 
Someone posted in the thread about the side button part leak that perhaps Apple was adding a dedicated camera button to the phone. I think that would be awesome - you push that button at any time in any app, even maybe with the phone off and locked, and it brings up the Camera app and takes a picture. That would be great for the times where speed is more important than image quality. And AFAIK even point and shoots can't take a picture from their powered-off state.

Now they would also have to do something about the mute switch... Hopefully they don't make it an onscreen button to replace the current camera slider.
 
an iphone with a 70-300 lens is definitely in the design process
 

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Try magnifying on a piece of a photo you want to crop out of a larger 8MP photo, and suddenly 8MP is way too little. Anyone who does any minor photo editing has probably encountered this. Often the extra pixels aren't really needed, but to say that they're useless is ridiculous.


Here's an idea, frame your shot better.
 
Because the more pixels you capture, the more you can crop out. In other words, you get a really good digital zoom.

I shoot at 36.3 megapixels on my Nikon D800. Do I need to print something the size of my house? No, of course not. But I do appreciate getting a crystal clear photo of a portion of my photo that I later noticed would make a good shot in of itself. I use those extra pixels all the time.

That works out to a very fitting feature for an iPhone. In a rush, pull out the phone, slide to camera, shoot without composing, then zoom in after the fact and compose the object you really wanted into a close crop.

A 12MP iPhone is going to be awesome, specially with a wider aperture. More pixels produce better low light photos.

If you're expecting to crop a lot out of a photo shot with a phone, you're gonna have a bad time, or maybe you don't understand the concept of composition. Also "Good" and "Digital Zoom" should never be in the same sentence together.
 
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