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Did you stop to think maybe there will be an improvement in pixels AND optics? Why are you so hyped up about something that isn't mutually exclusive? Or am I missing something?

No evidence claiming the sensor is any bigger, that means that there are more pixles crammed into the same amount of space, which doesn't bode well for higher quality low-light photography, unless they use 4 pixels to make 1 in low light, equating a 3MP image.
 
Planned Obsolescence

The current socioeconomic capitalistic system of planned obsolescence is unsustainable.
 
iOS 7 better include a camera quality toggle. I never need 8mp pictures, much less 12mp, and the storage space wasted on pixels my phone's display can't even almost show is getting annoying. I now have to export, shrink, then import photos just to have room.
 
Why do we need 12 megapixels for photos that will inevitably end up on Facebook!? I'd rather have an 8MP sensor that kicks ASS in low light or even a 5 MP sensor at a F1.8 at 5 or 8 MP than more useless megapixels.

4k screens and other retina type screens pushes the need for this. I realize what you're saying though. More pixels will expose more flaws of the sensor.
 
Camera improvements have been a staple of Apple's "S" phone releases.

Actually, camera improvements have been a staple of EVERY iPhone release starting with the 3GS. Camera improvements are now a given for each new iPhone. It's not news.
 
Like how some pointed it..
You can cram 30 mega pixel on it and still won't be great if the sensor is tiny.

Sensor > mega pixels.
 
The current socioeconomic capitalistic system of planned obsolescence is unsustainable.

Spot. On.

Back 10 years ago with Motorola flip phones, etc. tech never advanced so quickly. Some will say this is for the better and I would agree with biotech and such, but when we're discussing mobile devices that have minor updates on a yearly cycle that push a consumer mentality one must always have the latest and greatest, it's non-sensical. I hardly use my iPhone for half of its capabilities, and I'm a busy guy.
 
I for one am very excited. I'm a travel blogger and I plan to totally choose the iphone 5s over a bulky DSLR setup for my travel photography. I currently use an iPod touch 5th gen for street photography here in NYC, and it has been a revelation.

I love the size & stealthiness of the Apple devices. The camera is wide and fixed which is perfect for me since I prefer primes and zooming with my feet anyway. The apps and filters available boggle my mind. You can create instant shallow depth of field and bokeh. Plus you can instantly upload and share them after editing them on the spot. It's really great. Revolutionary. Low light on my iPod touch ain't great...but even then I've gotten really artsy cool effects. Instead of obsessing about pixel peeping, I'm obsessing about composition and looking for the shot....which for me, is what great photography is all about.

The iphone 5s with its better camera and low light performance would only get me more excited to take pictures.

I'm psyched for this phone. :-D
 
Because the more pixels you capture, the more you can crop out. In other words, you get a really good digital zoom.

I shoot at 36.3 megapixels on my Nikon D800. Do I need to print something the size of my house? No, of course not. But I do appreciate getting a crystal clear photo of a portion of my photo that I later noticed would make a good shot in of itself. I use those extra pixels all the time.

That works out to a very fitting feature for an iPhone. In a rush, pull out the phone, slide to camera, shoot without composing, then zoom in after the fact and compose the object you really wanted into a close crop.

A 12MP iPhone is going to be awesome, specially with a wider aperture. More pixels produce better low light photos.

Ummm, not sure what physics class you went to. The digital zoom thing is correct, but if the image sensor size is the same with more megapixels, you have a much smaller pixel pitch (IE physical size of the photosite), if the photosites are smaller, they are much more susceptible to gain (noise) which then has to be controlled in software which needs more CPU power.
 
If they make the lens a little bigger, it'll be great. The iPhone 5 is already a better still and video camera than many point-and-shoots out there.

And to think that those suckers in the past had to develop film!

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The current socioeconomic capitalistic system of planned obsolescence is unsustainable.

Why? My iPhone 4 and iPhone "1" still work...

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Quick poll:

Who is excited for the iPhone 5S: no one

Who is excited for iOS7: everyone


Guess which group has the biggest chance of disappointment??


:apple:

BS. I'm not excited for iOS 7 until there's a jailbreak.
 
Spot. On.

Back 10 years ago with Motorola flip phones, etc. tech never advanced so quickly. Some will say this is for the better and I would agree with biotech and such, but when we're discussing mobile devices that have minor updates on a yearly cycle that push a consumer mentality one must always have the latest and greatest, it's non-sensical. I hardly use my iPhone for half of its capabilities, and I'm a busy guy.

That's not true.
There were tonnes of advancements with phones at that time too.
I just believe we're living in a 'low-lying fruit' period with smartphones. Where, we've just recently started getting a leapfrog in our tech - in this case, the advancement of low power, tiny chips.. The evolution of new tech comes rapidly at first, until later, when it'll all stifle out.
In this case, ARM processors are only starting to be the trend. It's a relatively 'new' tech. It's a goldmine of technology, ready to be utilized. Hence why the improvements in ARM processors are reaching 2x, 4x levels, and x86 processors are only reaching 20% improvements year over year.
Eventually, the rate of innovation will fizzle out to its equilibrium levels.
 
Why do we need 12 megapixels for photos that will inevitably end up on Facebook!? I'd rather have an 8MP sensor that kicks ASS in low light or even a 5 MP sensor at a F1.8 at 5 or 8 MP than more useless megapixels.

Could not agree more on low light but here's the key to higher res photos (if they are good quality - low light, better speed etc ) you get a ton more options for cropping and adjusting. My wife is an artist (painter) who photographs her landscape subjects to use as studies, and the more she can capture the more she can use via cropping and zooming in. Same for Facebook etc. Sometimes you want to just use a portion of the photo for uploading....
 
I know tmobile just got the iPhone 5 do you think they will get the next iPhone when it comes out? Or will there be a delay as well?
 
They should take note from the HTC One with their camera. It's less megapixels but a much larger sensor. The pictures, while smaller than an 8 or 12 megapixel shooter, look great and night shots/dark environments come out excellent without artifacts and visual disturbances. I'd gladly take a 6mp sensor that takes excellent pictures than a 12mp one that just takes huge ones.

I think the HTC one ultrapixel camera is overrated... I want apple to include a 12 megapixel camera with a better sensor. Check out the comparison of the One with the S4 below:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p8.php

Even low light conditions, seems like performance isn't as great as the S4

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p10.php
 
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Because the more pixels you capture, the more you can crop out. In other words, you get a really good digital zoom.

There is a very logical idea. Optical zoom requires room for the parts that isn't likely to be there. But if they can find ways to make the digital zoom cleaner, for most folks that will be fine
 
I know tmobile just got the iPhone 5 do you think they will get the next iPhone when it comes out? Or will there be a delay as well?

Probably will get it when it comes out. The only reason they got the 5 so late was because they didn't get the deals when the 5 launched and didn't have an lte network out yet.
 
"Hey, how come I can't e-mail this photo? It says the photo is too large"
"Hey, how come this photo is taking forever to upload?"
"Hey, how it's taking so long to download these photos?"
"Hey, how do I zoom out?"
"Hey, I can't copy these photos to my USB drive cause they're too big and I'm out of space. Can you make it smaller? How do you shrink it?"

-Parents

And now we're moving to 12MP...

The jpg compression sets a specific file size and Apple isn't about to change that file size. 12MP will still provide more information (if done properly)
 
what a waste of space guys.
do u think we have an option to shoot in a smaller size?

these files will be huge

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I for one am very excited. I'm a travel blogger and I plan to totally choose the iphone 5s over a bulky DSLR setup for my travel photography. I currently use an iPod touch 5th gen for street photography here in NYC, and it has been a revelation.

I love the size & stealthiness of the Apple devices. The camera is wide and fixed which is perfect for me since I prefer primes and zooming with my feet anyway. The apps and filters available boggle my mind. You can create instant shallow depth of field and bokeh. Plus you can instantly upload and share them after editing them on the spot. It's really great. Revolutionary. Low light on my iPod touch ain't great...but even then I've gotten really artsy cool effects. Instead of obsessing about pixel peeping, I'm obsessing about composition and looking for the shot....which for me, is what great photography is all about.

The iphone 5s with its better camera and low light performance would only get me more excited to take pictures.

I'm psyched for this phone. :-D

you must be an inexperienced dslr user if you think you'll put away your gear for an iphone.
 
More pixels produce better low light photos.

Yeah, ok. MP has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with low light photography. On the other hand, having a larger aperture lens or sensor, or implementing better noise reduction techniques would improve low light shots, but that that would cost a few cents, so Apple probably wont do anything.
 
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