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Wow, this is counter intuitive, and not what I thought was going on. I saw this going the other way entirely. I thought price driven (and color driven) buyers would push 5C to the top, and the 5S would be well behind.

9 million is a lot of units, and stomps the 5 release. To that user I made a bet with- I was wrong! You called it correct!

I dunno. Why would someone wait in line to buy a phone that's essentially the same as the phone they could have bought at any time over the last year? Sure, they could save $100 but that's it.
 
Which phone would that be? Because Apple sure doesn't sell a $99 phone.

They sell a $99 phone with a minimum $1700 contract though...

Yes, for people that don't do the math, the general consumer. Here we agree.

Yep, exactly. It's not a cheap phone or one that's better than the 5, but to a lot of people who will be buying it, they don't really care. Because they don't care about specs and don't want to bother doing the math. They just want an Apple phone.
 
These aren't actual sales figures coming from Apple so how reliable are they?
 
...But maybe even more importantly it removes the flagship look and feel from the $99 cost point. Apple would rather you buy the 5S because it has the best margin and I think they feared that many customers wouldn't perceive a difference between the phones and would opt for the lower-margin 5. Their solution; ax the 5 and wrap it is garish plastic. If you absolutely want a $99 iPhone there's still one there for you, but push the market back to the flagship and its higher margins.

I think the 5C is clearly designed to address subsidized margin erosion. It serves little purpose in a market like China. In China the 5C isn't half the cost of the 5S, its something like 85% of the cost. Don't know why anyone would buy one.

While I do agree, Apple would rather you buy the 5s, I hardly think their goal was not to sell the 5c.
 
and im sure about 80% of those 5s' were space grey. :cool:

The Gold iPhones seem to be the most in demand. Hard to say if the inventories were just lower but given that Apple used it as the main advertising colour I'd say most people bought the hype and the gold iPhones.
 
The way to judge 5c sales is to compare them to 4S sales once the 5 came out.

I don't know where to get those numbers for the 4S, but 2+ million 5c's sounds like a massive hit (in the early going). It's hard for me to imagine people buying the 4S in those numbers the first weekend the 5 was available.

One thought I had re 5c vs. 5s:
Apple's 5c margins are probably just as good as 5s margins. So Apple doesn't mind which phone you buy. When you don't go after the low-end of the market, you do sacrifice market share but you don't have to worry about cannibalization.
 
80% of consumers, or at least from what I've seen in the UK, are price driven. They don't consider Apple not because of iOS, but because of the price.

If it was on par with a mid-level Android handset, I'd think they'd sell a lot more. Obviously may be different in US due to more expensive contracts and more heavily subsidised pricing.

That's just the UK and do you have a source? Apple always sells on quality, not price. Would people like cheap apple products? Sure, but they aren't expecting it. If people are buying tons of devices at the usual Apple price, then there isn't a need to put out a cheap version.
 
No, I don't think the iPhone 5 would have sold 2-3 million units this weekend, which is what the iPhone 5C sold, mainly because Apple would have had no way to market it... Not even close, really.

I fully agree. 5C appears to the general consumer to be NEW and shiny.

When its really a thicker, fatter, heavier plastic 5.
 
...they either fail at math and economics...

The vast majority of consumers fail at math and financial planning. Why else would the credit card companies make gazilllions in interest on credit card balances?

Thus the 5c is seen as 50% cheaper to most consumer on subsidy plans, not the real 5% cheaper.
 
The 5S is a little pricey for a new, flagship phone, but, not by that much.

The 5C, on the other hand, is very expensive compared to the similar Samsung phones that are a step down. For example, the Samsung Galaxy S III Mini, unlocked.

That's how Apple products are usually priced. LOL
 
People will be able to figure it out. But overall iPhone sales will continue to grow, which is obviously the end goal here.

Growing sales isn't what's most important, market share is.

You can have growing sales while, at the same time, your market share is dropping, and that's not good.
 
Wait, so a plastic back means the 5c is not a "premium phone" while the slower 4S with older technology, no LTE, and a smaller screen is still a "premium phone"?

Does that mean Apple did not sell any "premium phones" in 2008/2009 (The 3G and 3GS had plastic back, which seem cheaper than the 5c's)

The iPhone 5c is just an iPhone 5 repackaged. It did not become a worse phone.

A metallic or glass phone is premium compared to the mass of the market, unless it runs Windows Phone.

A plastic phone is just another plastic phone, Android is good.
 
5C over 5S?

Why would anyone buy the 5C over the 5S? I don't know if there's a spec difference between the two prices but you don't save that much getting the 5C vs. the 5S for a "cheaper" phone it isn't cheap enough - even though I do like the colors on it.
 
The vast majority of consumers fail at math and financial planning. Why else would the credit card companies make gazilllions in interest on credit card balances?

Thus the 5c is seen as 50% cheaper to most consumer on subsidy plans, not the real 5% cheaper.

If the numbers are correct, then consumers in Japan are clearly better educated than people in the US. Considering that the 5s is outselling the 5c by 5x rather than the 3.7x in the US....
 
It's evident why the 5S is selling more because people have brains! By investing £80-90 more they can get the 5S instead of the odious 5C. The 5C is not cheap enough for its 'target' market.
 
The way to judge 5c sales is to compare them to 4S sales once the 5 came out.

I don't know where to get those numbers for the 4S, but 2+ million 5c's sounds like a massive hit (in the early going). It's hard for me to imagine people buying the 4S in those numbers the first weekend the 5 was available.

One thought I had re 5c vs. 5s:
Apple's 5c margins are probably just as good as 5s margins. So Apple doesn't mind which phone you buy. When you don't go after the low-end of the market, you do sacrifice market share but you don't have to worry about cannibalization.

I doubt the margins are the same. The 5S is a premium phone so it will have higher margins. What I think they were able to do here was cut down costs of the 5C, sell it $100 cheaper and have a higher margin versus cutting the 1 yr-old premium model by $100.
 
Wait, so a plastic back means the 5c is not a "premium phone" while the slower 4S with older technology, no LTE, and a smaller screen is still a "premium phone"?

Does that mean Apple did not sell any "premium phones" in 2008/2009 (The 3G and 3GS had plastic back, which seem cheaper than the 5c's)

The iPhone 5c is just an iPhone 5 repackaged. It did not become a worse phone.

Just shows there are a lot of snobs on MacRumors. And the Steve Jobs fanboys don't even follow his design moto (not how something looks but how it works) because the 5C from a features and performance standpoint is better all around than the 4S.
 
iPhone 5s Outsells iPhone 5c by ~3.5x in Launch Weekend According to Analytics Data



...meaning that 5c didn't sell so well vs iphone 5 last year
 
Why would anyone buy the 5C over the 5S? I don't know if there's a spec difference between the two prices but you don't save that much getting the 5C vs. the 5S for a "cheaper" phone it isn't cheap enough - even though I do like the colors on it.

I did - strong build quality and more dense feel were my primary drivers. Plus, I plan on upgrading the iPhone 6 anyway, so I am not too concerned with any performance slowdown in months 13-24...
 
If the numbers are correct, then consumers in Japan are clearly better educated than people in the US. Considering that the 5s is outselling the 5c by 5x rather than the 3.7x in the US....

And Japan is a colourful market.
 
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